Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[SprDaVE]

Isn't that a bit extreme?

Are we reading the same stuff here?

 

[All Mod Cons]

Are we reading the same stuff here?

I'd imagine so.

 

[Fogelhund]

Anyone else having issues with hfboards on mobile?

My post responses are getting eaten up to whoever I am responding to. My response will come out as the poster I'm replying to. So it looks as if they responded or it's just a continuation of their original post

Have to be super quick when typing a response for it not to happen

Been happening for a good month now and don't know what's causing it

I find it easier to post on the computer, but I haven't had that problem on mobile.

 

[OVO16]

I guess it's about to be 4. No reason to even watch

I know you're joking and I pray that we beat Tampa in the playoffs....but I seriously think Brisebois made this trade more for the Bruins than the Leafs. I just dont think he fears our team.

I remember I was reading LeBrun's article about "What rival GM's think the leafs need" a couple of months ago...almost every GM was quoted as saying "They're too soft for the playoffs. They dont have the compete level". Something along those lines.

A lightning beat reporter quoted that article and said he knew for a fact Brisebois was one of those GMs.

Now granted that was before the Orielly/Acciari addition...so who knows what they think now but it was interesting to see nonetheless

 

[Stand Witness]

Listen, if you think he’s a 15-20% shooter, when Alex Ovechkin is 12.9% shooter in his career, then that’s cool.

There at 57 players with a higher shooting % then Ovie this season. That means nothing.

Shooting 15%, which is the low end of his professional career, is doable.

It isn’t outrageous by any stretch to suggest he is closer to that then 5.7%… which is the real outlier here.

 

[SprDaVE]

No one said that, just said TB has become a tougher team to play against after todays trade

They overpaid on a historical level, but they’ve improved and we’re playing them soon.

I think many people have said that. It's comical but not surprising.

I think there's plenty to like about adding Jeannot that makes them slightly better but it certainly won't tip out a series or cause such chaotic physicality the Leafs will just lay over just like Paul wasn't the only reason the Leafs lost a 7 game series or because the Lightning were such physically superior.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I know you're joking and I pray that we beat Tampa in the playoffs....but I seriously think Brisebois made this trade more for the Bruins than the Leafs. I just dont think he fears our team.

I remember I was reading LeBrun's article about "What rival GM's think the leafs need" a couple of months ago...almost every GM was quoted as saying "They're too soft for the playoffs. They dont have the compete level". Something along those lines.

A lightning beat reporter quoted that article and said he knew for a fact Brisebois was one of those GMs.

Now granted that was before the Orielly/Acciari addition...so who knows what they think now but it was interesting to see nonetheless

Agreed. He knows about the Leafs and a heavy forecheck and our defence. It's been part of our Achilles heel for years.

Then he'll know what the hockey world knows about Boston. We'll have to see how it pans out, but, like is always said here, I can see the rationale behind why they added him.

And if that was the price, then that was the price.

 

[Stand Witness]

I think many people have said that. It's comical but not surprising.

I think there's plenty to like about adding Jeannot that makes them slightly better but it certainly won't tip out a series or cause such chaotic physicality the Leafs will just lay over just like Paul wasn't the only reason the Leafs lost a 7 game series or because the Lightning were such physically superior.

I dont think anyone is defending the price paid, just the player.

Can be a good player to add without being a good price to pay.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

As an rfa jaennot should ask for min 5 mil based on what he was traded for. Wtf is happening this has turned into the nba

 

[SprDaVE]

I dont think anyone is defending the price paid, just the player.

Can be a good player to add without being a good price to pay.

If the Leafs traded 5 x 1st round picks tomorrow for Sam Lafferty. They are a better team right?

Wait let's make it a physical player people like.

If the Leafs traded 5 x 1st round picks for Josh Anderson tomorrow. Leafs are better right?

 

[Fogelhund]

Have you ever considered that his 5.7% shooting% this year is actually much lower and he will regress to a higher shooting %?

He has spent more time in his professional career shooting between 15-20% than his 5.7%.

I'm not sure what you are talking about. Last year was his first full time year in the NHL. Yes, for sure his shooting % should go up some, but even if it doubles, to a more normal NHL level, then he's a guy with 20 points on the season.... Roughly the same as Engvall.

 

[ER89]

If the Leafs traded 5 x 1st round picks tomorrow for Sam Lafferty. They are a better team right?

Sure but they haven't won shit.

Tampa is trying to create a dynasty
We are trying to win round one. There's a huge difference.

 

[All Mod Cons]

As an rfa jaennot should ask for min 5 mil based on what he was traded for. Wtf is happening this has turned into the nba

This, so far, has been, by far, the absolute best trade deadline that I can remember.

Normally, it is utter shite.

 

[OVO16]

I dont think anyone is defending the price paid, just the player.

Can be a good player to add without being a good price to pay.

Not just the player, but the team acquiring the player too.

Tampa was already a huge pain in the ass to play against with the Mix of players that they already have. You could've easily made a case that they didn't need Tanner Jeannot.

If Jeannot had gone to the penguins, for example, I wouldn't have cared that much, because they don't have a lot of Jeannot-like players. Tampa just adds on to their strength

 

[SprDaVE]

Sure but they haven't won shit.

Tampa is trying to create a dynasty
We are trying to win round one. There's a huge difference.

They are trying to win. If they have your mentality of playing hockey, they might as just fold the franchise. The past is the past, we're not in the past.

Tampa won a round at some point after a long drought. You gotta start somewhere. I don't know what you're expecting. There is no winning this argument that the Leafs just can't have any support because they haven't won anything.

It's so frustrating trying to discuss hockey but to have "yeah but they can't win a round" ok well that's what they are trying to do, I don't know why last year is the same as this year.

 

[stickty111]

You can reason with a lot of what Tampa does, this one leaves you speechless.

 

[Nineteen67]

I guess that’s why the Preds were willing to trade Jeannot.

 

[OVO16]

Honestly, I wasn't a massive advocate for Luke Schenn on the leafs this whole time but with Jeannot now going to Tampa....I think it's imperative the Leafs add someone like Schenn to handle some of that heavy Tampa forecheck thats going to be coming

I'm already worried for Rielly and Brodie's health

 

[seanlinden]

I agree with most that it's an insane price to pay... but it does do the 1 thing that is vitally important in the playoffs -- make them difficult to play against.

The thing that irritates me about this trade... it just goes to show that Tampa is in tune with what it takes to win a cup.... making sure that if you're going to give up one of your 12 lineup spots, that the player is out there to "drive something".

Meanwhile, we still have Kerfoot & Engvall who are kind of just "there", maybe even Kampf to a lesser extent.

 

[Zybalto]

 

[OVO16]

Preds just got their Jeannot replacement. Flyers fans saying he's a huge player with upside. Def 4th line player.

 

[Nineteen67]

Honestly, I wasn't a massive advocate for Luke Schenn on the leafs this whole time but with Jeannot now going to Tampa....I think it's imperative the Leafs add someone like Schenn to handle some of that heavy Tampa forecheck thats going to be coming

I'm already worried for Rielly and Brodie's health

Sandin is who I worry about.

 

[kb]

Thats a terrible trade for Tampa but Jeannot is gonna injure like 3 leafs defenseman in the playoffs, its inevitable

There's the world's most impactful 208 pounds again....

 

[ER89]

They are trying to win. If they have your mentality of playing hockey, they might as just fold the franchise. The past is the past, we're not in the past.

Tampa won a round at some point after a long drought. You gotta start somewhere. I don't know what you're expecting. There is no winning this argument that the Leafs just can't have any support because they haven't won anything.

It's so frustrating trying to discuss hockey but to have "yeah but they can't win a round" ok well that's what they are trying to do, I don't know why last year is the same as this year.

Jesus what a long winding post that puts words in my mouth.

No one is saying yeah they can't win a round here as a way to shit on the leafs.

And no the argument isn't the leafs can't have support, the argument is we need to keep more resources for further kicks at the can because we haven't won yet and it is likely we will need more chances later on.

Meanwhile for tampa they're happy to trade every resource they have for one more because it puts them as a dynasty and one of the best teams of all time.

Its really frustrating to discuss hockey when people can't see that different teams are at different places and yes, the jeannot acquisition could be considered good for Tampa in that it will make them better, but they, in a vacuum horribly overpaid.

 

[Fogelhund]

Honestly, I wasn't a massive advocate for Luke Schenn on the leafs this whole time but with Jeannot now going to Tampa....I think it's imperative the Leafs add someone like Schenn to handle some of that heavy Tampa forecheck thats going to be coming

I'm already worried for Rielly and Brodie's health

I agree with your premise, but Schenn just isn't good enough. If we upgrade, it has to be someone who is an upgrade on our current players... not just a downgrade, so that 10 minutes a game, we've got someone who can take a check, and then can't move the puck, so that we are stuck in our own end, with others trying to handle that forecheck. Is that what you want, a guy who can take a check, push back, but is useless at moving the puck, so we are stuck in our zone? Perhaps someone like Weegar, Jensen, Murphy, who can take the physicality, dish it out on their own, but are actually good upgrades defensively for us.