Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[Legion34]

It's terrible for SJS. I'd be really angry if I was a fan.

Ya? They got a recent first. 2 firsts and a prospect.

That seems ok?

 

[All Mod Cons]

Realistically, we upgrade on either Kerfoot or Engvall with another Acciari type and find another Jake Muzzin.

Do you think we'll ever actually upgrade on Kerfoot, in all honesty?

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Does this make chychrun's trade value greater or worse?

 

[Cor]

I don't think it's doom and gloom, but I think you're underestimating the sort of impact he may have in our series. Considering we were eliminated by Nick Paul and his dominant game 7 performance, Jeannot can easily do the same. He's a physical monster that we'd have a very hard time containing over 7 games

If this is about comparing to last year, Ondrej Palat, Ryan O’Reilly and Noel Acciari are just as, or more likely to score a goal in the playoffs.

I have no issues with anyone who likes Jeannot that’s a bit disappointed. That’s natural.

But this over dramatic reaction is insane to me.

 

[SprDaVE]

Ya? They got a recent first. 2 firsts and a prospect.

That seems ok?

If you're trading a RFA star player, you better ask for a top/blue chip prospect in it, not a late 1st round pick.

It's crazy that the Leafs had to include Knies in this apparently but they could have easily done this deal without him. Zetterlund is pretty solid though.

 

[hamzarocks]

Wow NJ is fleecing SJ in this deal.


I honestly see this as a great deal for the Sharks







Zetterlund is at minimum kapanen level player with a lot more room to grow







Shakir according to devils fans is a sure-fire top4D at the NHL level







Then you get 2 1sts







Also the other 22 year old D prospect he has some value probably a mid 3rd.

They got a lot of chances to add core pieces
This is very similar to the Erik Karlsson for Norris + 2 1sts + demelo deal

Hated at first by sens fans but then became amazing down the line after Norris broke out

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I see this being similar for the Sharks

This deal is better than if they did Nemec + 2024 2nd + AJ for Meier@50

The sens did that type if deal for Mark stone when they got Branstrom who was a top 10 prospect at the time. He flopped and the Dela had no other positive value assets making it a dud as a whole



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[Jimmy Firecracker]

A Fleecing.

 

[hamzarocks]

If you're trading a RFA star player, you better ask for a top/blue chip prospect in it, not a late 1st round pick.

It's crazy that the Leafs had to include Knies in this apparently but they could have easily done this deal without him. Zetterlund is pretty solid though.

We didn't have any young nhler as good as zetterlund

And we don't have a prospect as good as Shakir was in the deal outside of Knies who we don't want to deal

We also would need to toss in 2024 and 2025 1sts

And then another prospect something like Koster or Voit

 

[All Mod Cons]

If you're trading a RFA star player, you better ask for a top/blue chip prospect in it, not a late 1st round pick.

It's crazy that the Leafs had to include Knies in this apparently but they could have easily done this deal without him. Zetterlund is pretty solid though.

I'm sure they asked. I can't imagine any GM doesn't ask. He's most likely doing Timo a favour. Looking after him. Keeping a good reputation with players across the league.

 

[SprDaVE]

We didn't have any young nhler as good as zetterlund

And we don't have a prospect as good as Shakir was in the deal outside of Knies who we don't want to deal

We also would need to toss in 2024 and 2025 1sts

And then another prospect something like Koster or Voit

Maybe. I think we had plenty of equivalents but I don't think it made sense for us to do it.

Either way, SJS lost hard this trade and I think we'll see in a few years how bad it was.

 

[hamzarocks]

Maybe. I think we had plenty of equivalents but I don't think it fit a need anyway.



I don't see the equivalents tbh but even then I think if we had those prices the Sharks are better off for that then Knies + 2nd + a cap dump







That would have been like Holts + 2nd + cap dump

 

[Contenderorpretender]

What was SJ thinking? This is a garbage trade. Jersey could probably get more at the draft trading his rfa rights.

 

[fahad203]

Does this make chychrun's trade value greater or worse?

I totally forgot about him
Arizona hasn't gotten their McDavid yet ?

 

[hamzarocks]

The Sharks avoided a Mark stone deal which was important

1 of Hughes/Nemec/Holtz + 2024 2nd + AJ is NOT better value for a team then what they got back
You get 1 blue chip piece but risk of them busting or not reaching their potential will kill the whole trade

Here zetterlund is a 40 pt nhl player whose 22 already. That is a huge piece who has the potential to become a top 6 50-60 pt player who will contribute for the Sharks in their rebuild and their post rebuild years

After that they get a shot at a top pairing D but likely get a top 4D in Shakir

They also get 2 1sts which will be shots at a top 6 forward.

Then there is another shot at top 4D with the Russian 22 year old. He likey becomes a 5/6D but still a solid plus value asset to have

 

[Fogelhund]

Braden Schneider has been assigned to the Hartford Wolfpack.

Cap move for Kane.

 

[SprDaVE]

Braden Schneider has been assigned to the Hartford Wolfpack.

They are accumulating cap space to trade for Kane it sounds like. They'll be able to barely fit him if they do that.

 

[kb]

You know deterrence it's like a lot of things - you often don't have to fight if they know you're willing to. It's the package not the skill. Notice I'm not advocating for Schenn, Reaves, Deslauries, Watson, etc for that reason either.

Bruins. Lucic on the ice. Chara, Shawn Thornton, and Adam McQuaid on the bench.

Career was ended. Quite the deterrent I must say.

 

[Buds17]

I'd obviously give NJ the (early?) win on the Meier trade. Don't necessarily think that SJ fared too poorly on the return though?

 

[OVO16]

New Jersey def won the deal but lets not act like Cap-Space doesn't cost assets.

NJ was one of the only teams that could take Meier outright, which helped their leverage

 

[Fogelhund]

Trade Dudline show is going to be terrible. It’s likely all the bigger trades will be done by then. Nothing to talk about for hours.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I'd obviously give NJ the (early?) win on the Meier trade. Don't necessarily think that SJ fared too poorly on the return though?

It's 3 1st round picks and 2 other good young players/prospects unless Jersey really sucks in the next two years, in which case it is still 2 1sts and a 2nd.

They were not going to get Mercer, Hughes, or Nemec out of Meier unless very little else came in return. He is not a good enough player for that and doesn't have enough control for that.

And Holtz has had some ups and downs in North America. Probably chose to take their chances on multiple good assets instead.

 

[OVO16]

If Bennett is available, he needs to be target. Along with Gudas

 

[cyris]

There should be absolutely no expectations from Knies. Very rarely does a college player comes up during playoffs and has an impact

Only player I can think off is maybe Eric Cole back in 2001

EDIT: Eric Cole was also from IHL.

There should be no expectations for Knies. He probably gets a late season tryout to burn a year of his ELC and if it goes well he may get a chance in the playoffs.

But Cole Caufield and Tory Krug both stepped out of the NCAA and had immediate impacts in the playoffs. I’m sure there are more guys too. You just shouldn’t depend on it.

 

[BertCorbeau]

The Sharks avoided a Mark stone deal which was important

1 of Hughes/Nemec/Holtz + 2024 2nd + AJ is NOT better value for a team then what they got back
You get 1 blue chip piece but risk of them busting or not reaching their potential will kill the whole trade

Here zetterlund is a 40 pt nhl player whose 22 already. That is a huge piece who has the potential to become a top 6 50-60 pt player who will contribute for the Sharks in their rebuild and their post rebuild years

After that they get a shot at a top pairing D but likely get a top 4D in Shakir

They also get 2 1sts which will be shots at a top 6 forward.

Then there is another shot at top 4D with the Russian 22 year old. He likey becomes a 5/6D but still a solid plus value asset to have

Was that the alternative?

Again they're not bad pieces, it's a nice collection of good assets ... and this trade would look brilliant if they could hit on 2-3 them.. but the prospects may not pan out either. Those 1sts could bust too and won't be making the NHL for a few years.

Ifyou're rebuilding you need core, elite pieces to win... Moving your best asset and not getting that calibre of prospect back is a wasted opportunity IMO.

Imagine SJ winning the lotto and getting Bedard with Nemec or Hughes in your pipeline. Those are two key building blocks.

It's an underwhelming return for me.

 

[Legion34]

New Jersey def won the deal but lets not act like Cap-Space doesn't cost assets.

NJ was one of the only teams that could take Meier outright, which helped their leverage

They didn’t though?
Meier was 50% and they took Johnson who is 3.4