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[Forgot About Drai]

inspired by main board:

To EDM: Alex Pietrangelo
To STL: RNH + Nurse

Would do it. If Nurse turned into a Pietro-lite (skill wise) we would be extremely lucky.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

inspired by main board:

To EDM: Alex Pietrangelo
To STL: RNH + Nurse

I'd pass, and pretty easily. Some Blues fans would rather pay Shattenkirk anything he wants than lose him and keep Pietrangelo.

I'd add next year's first to RNH, but I don't want a prime Nurse playing for anyone but Edmonton.

 

[Jet Walters]

No to trading Nurse.

I'd go as high as RNH, Reinhart, 2016 1st if around 7-12 overall for Pietrangelo and a 2nd. Would try to get STL's later round 1st instead of their 2nd but I'd do that deal.

 

[McAsuno]

I'd pass, and pretty easily. Some Blues fans would rather pay Shattenkirk anything he wants than lose him and keep Pietrangelo.

I'd add next year's first to RNH, but I don't want a prime Nurse playing for anyone but Edmonton.

Yeah, there's no way I'm moving both RNH and Nurse for that.

 

[Up the Irons]

inspired by main board:

To EDM: Alex Pietrangelo
To STL: RNH + Nurse

pass. too much. Nurse might be as good as Pietro, and will surely be close.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Yeah, there's no way I'm moving both RNH and Nurse for that.

Agreed, Nurse is already a top 4 defenceman on 20 of the teams in the league at 20 years old.

 

[CupofOil]

pass. too much. Nurse might be as good as Pietro, and will surely be close.

I don't see Nurse being close to as good as Pietrangelo as an overall player, that's a very unrealistic expectation IMO.
However, the Oilers desperately need Nurse's skillset because he's so tough to play against and will get tougher to play against with age and experience so as enticing as this trade would be, and I would think long and hard about it, I wouldn't do it.

Agreed, Nurse is already a top 4 defenceman on 20 of the teams in the league at 20 years old.

I doubt it. He's struggling a lot the last 7-8 games or so, he's clearly sinking in a more prominent role as you would expect with a young inexperienced Dman.
Most teams would be sheltering him on a bottom pairing or in the AHL at this point in his career and if Fayne and Schultz were any good, Nurse would be that here as well.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Agreed, Nurse is already a top 4 defenceman on 20 of the teams in the league at 20 years old.

Yea he's probably a 4 on 20 teams. I think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves here

 

[Spawn]

Agreed, Nurse is already a top 4 defenceman on 20 of the teams in the league at 20 years old.

Lol. Nurse probably doesn't play on 20 teams in the league right now. He's a top 4 here because this is once again the worst group of d-men in the league.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Lol. Nurse probably doesn't play on 20 teams in the league right now. He's a top 4 here because this is once again the worst group of d-men in the league.

He'd be getting played on the 3rd pairing on most teams. Adding another veteran top 4D to this team would be a godsend to guys like Nurse and Reinhart so that as they break in they aren't expected to carry the mail.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Lol. Nurse probably doesn't play on 20 teams in the league right now. He's a top 4 here because this is once again the worst group of d-men in the league.

Classic underrating of our own assets. It happens when the fans adopt a loser mentality.

Nurse shouldn't be used as a top pairing defenceman like he is now, but he's playing 18-22 minutes a night on an awful team with squat for PP time and by and large coming out even.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Classic underrating of our own assets. It happens when the fans adopt a loser mentality.

Nurse shouldn't be used as a top pairing defenceman like he is now, but he's playing 18-22 minutes a night on an awful team with squat for PP time and by and large coming out even.

Ideally we'd break him in on the 3rd pairing to grow his confidence. With Klefbom's injury too much is being asked of him.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Classic underrating of our own assets. It happens when the fans adopt a loser mentality.

Nurse shouldn't be used as a top pairing defenceman like he is now, but he's playing 18-22 minutes a night on an awful team with squat for PP time and by and large coming out even.

Or, he's just not that good yet

 

[CupofOil]

Classic underrating of our own assets. It happens when the fans adopt a loser mentality.

Nurse shouldn't be used as a top pairing defenceman like he is now, but he's playing 18-22 minutes a night on an awful team with squat for PP time and by and large coming out even.

It has nothing to do with loser mentality, anybody can see that the kid is struggling out there. He had a solid stretch of games during that winning streak but it has gone downhill fast since then during a road heavy schedule. He has been kind of all over the place, looking lost at times.
He's not ready for full time top 4 action yet and wouldn't have that opportunity on most teams because they have better options.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Ideally we'd break him in on the 3rd pairing to grow his confidence. With Klefbom's injury too much is being asked of him.

Ideally, sure, but I don't see how you can make an argument that he's not our third best defenceman when this team is healthy.

I'd argue he's no worse than a #4 on 15-20 teams in the league right now. I might get around to breaking that down tomorrow, but a few come to mind: Chicago's #4 is Trevor Van Riemsdyk. Philly, Toronto, Vancouver, Columbus, Buffalo, Arizona, and Boston all come to mind as well.

 

[oilers4life5]

No way in hell I do that deal.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Ideally, sure, but I don't see how you can make an argument that he's not our third best defenceman when this team is healthy.

I'd argue he's no worse than a #4 on 15-20 teams in the league right now. I might get around to breaking that down tomorrow, but a few come to mind: Chicago's #4 is Trevor Van Riemsdyk. Philly, Toronto, Vancouver, Columbus, Buffalo, Arizona, and Boston all come to mind as well.

That speaks as much to us lacking 4 legit top 4 guys as it does to his abilities at his age IMO.

 

[Jet Walters]

That speaks as much to us lacking 4 legit top 4 guys as it does to his abilities at his age IMO.

Really need to add a top pairing guy to knock everyone down a peg. It's a similar scenario to the Hamonic talk with the Oilers not wanting to rob Peter to pay Paul by parting with Nurse or Klefbom for a defenseman.

Nurse just needs more seasoning and to grow into his body. The oilers are dying for the intangibles he brings to the game and are highly unlikely to part with him.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Classic underrating of our own assets. It happens when the fans adopt a loser mentality.

Nurse shouldn't be used as a top pairing defenceman like he is now, but he's playing 18-22 minutes a night on an awful team with squat for PP time and by and large coming out even.

I agree with Spawn, if I had my way Nurse would of been stuck in the AHL till roughly the 40-50 game mark and would just be getting called up now, for his first run at the NHL. He also isn't coming out even, he is getting beat up out there he has the 2nd lowest relative corsi on the team at -17.5, because of the character of Nurse I'm not concerned about him playing out of his depth and it hurting his confidence, I do believe he will adapt to it in time, but we are pretty much the only team in the league that wouldn't be easing him into things on the 3rd pairing with easy match-ups.

After Davidson has about 2 more games and is fully back in the swing of things I'd like to see the switch done where we shift Davidson to having slightly tougher minutes and back off Nurse's quality of competition a bit and see how they both perform.

 

[Fourier]

It has nothing to do with loser mentality, anybody can see that the kid is struggling out there. He had a solid stretch of games during that winning streak but it has gone downhill fast since then during a road heavy schedule. He has been kind of all over the place, looking lost at times.
He's not ready for full time top 4 action yet and wouldn't have that opportunity on most teams because they have better options.

He's not ready to be the go to guy for the Oilers. That is a completely different story than not being ready to play in the NHL or even as a second pairing defensemen in the right situation.

Go look at the depth charts of teams around the league. I think you could make an argument that the current version of Darnell Nurse would be as good or better than at least one of the 6 starters on probably 25 or 26 of the teams in the league. If you insist he plays the left hand side he is probably still on 20+ rosters.

He could also play in the top 4 with some very good teams, especially with the right partner. In Chicago you could slip him into the spot where TVR is playing and he fits well. His game would actually mesh quite well with a vet like Seabrook. At the very least he is definitely better than Scuderi.

St. Louis has Parayko playing on the left despite being a RHD. This is probably an ice time thing but Nurse paired with Shattenkirk is not going to be over whelmed.

Ideally Nurse is on the Oiler third pairing with less ES responsibility. But he has proved he is definitely na NHL defenseman right now.

In Ottawa right now they have Fredrik Cleasson playing with Karlsson.

The problem with assessing young defensemen in the role Nurse has right now is that the mistakes are magnified.

 

[Raab]

I like the deal if we can balance it out a bit. Something like:

To Edm: Pietrangelo, Berglund

To Stl: RNH, Nurse, Fayne (500k retained)

Our lineup

Hall-Draisaitl-Purcell
Pouliot-Mcdavid-Yakupov
Korpikoski-Berglund-Eberle
Hendricks-Letestu-Klinkhammer

Klefbom-Pietrangelo
Davidson-Sekera
Nikitin-Schultz
Gryba

Not sure how it would work for St. Louis but have to think it helps there lineup out.

 

[Aerchon]

I don't see Nurse being close to as good as Pietrangelo as an overall player, that's a very unrealistic expectation IMO.
However, the Oilers desperately need Nurse's skillset because he's so tough to play against and will get tougher to play against with age and experience so as enticing as this trade would be, and I would think long and hard about it, I wouldn't do it.



I doubt it. He's struggling a lot the last 7-8 games or so, he's clearly sinking in a more prominent role as you would expect with a young inexperienced Dman.
Most teams would be sheltering him on a bottom pairing or in the AHL at this point in his career and if Fayne and Schultz were any good, Nurse would be that here as well.

This. Great post. Saves me some typing.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

You have to wonder...if we could afford hamonic then why did we add reinhart.

Also, sux that schultz was so bad last year that we had nothing to offer snow.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Hasn't he been a massive disappointment?

 

[harpoon]

Lol. Nurse probably doesn't play on 20 teams in the league right now. He's a top 4 here because this is once again the worst group of d-men in the league.

This defense is so bad. There's a thread on the mains moaning about the lack of top tier d-men in the league.
Its worth a read because even if we discount some of the blatant homerism being shown by some fans, the Oilers defense is just a joke compared to the good teams in the league. Our best guys are #3s. And we wonder why this team continues to lose.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2005535