Proposal: Trade Rumors and Proposal Thread: Anyone Want Purcell or Fayne? Anyone?

[Bryanbryoil]

I'm not sure what Chia will be able to pull off but the bottom 6 looks like garbage right now with Hendricks out. Not much speed or skill there.

As for Fayne, I'd be surprised to see him last the year here. Hopefully since he is a RHD we can get something of use for him.

From the last thread:

Just for lolz

Draisaitl, 2nd for E. Staal, Faulk (re-sign Staal)
RNH for S. Jones
Schultz, 3rd for Hartnell

Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov
Hall-Staal-Eberle
Hartnell-Lander-Korpikoski
Klinkhammer-Letestu-Slepyshev

Sekera-Faulk
Klefbom-S. Jones
Reinhart-Gryba

If Carolina needs more, replace the 2nd with Reinhart and slot Nurse into the lineup

There's no way in hell that Carolina goes for that trade.

You don't think theyd do Reinhart and Draisaitl for Staal and Faulk?

I think Faulk would be hard to pry out of Carolina. Staal's salary after resigning wouldn't fit here.

How much are 31 year old 55-60 point players on the decline worth these days?

**** trading Draisaitl away.

People need to stop dumping him. Guy is going to be a beast in the NHL.

Trade others... leave Leon alone.

this is precisely why so many people (including me) think we should trade him.... because he would hold a LOT of value in a trade... drai + our 1st rounder this year (likely top 4-7 pick, thereabouts) could potentially land us a legit top pairing dman ....not a legit #1 guy, but a very good #2

Why would anyone care about the reason a player is not effective? Why should we care about his career? It has nothing to do with his team or his nationality. He's not that good right now. Better than Nikitin, sure, but not what we need.
In my opinion anyway.

With how well the top 6 are playing, perhaps Eberle could be looked at as the guy to trade. Maybe we could use him (as part of a package) to pry Lindholm or Fowler out of Anaheim?

My only hesitation on making that move though, is that the top 6 would be all left-handed shots and Eberle is by the far the #1 option for the left wall on the PP with his right-handed shot.

There is absolutely no chance in hell that we are trading Burns, no matter how the rest of the season goes. Give up that pipe dream. The record since the hot start has been mostly due injuries (specifically Couture and Martin) and two atrocious starts by Alex Stalock.

With regards to Eric Staal his name carries weight, he's also a massive center and someone will likely see him as someone who is getting less points due to a lack of talent around him. On the open market I'd guessing someone would offer him $7 million.

Schultz purcell and a 1st for pheneuf and matthias

Hall-rnh-drai
Pou-mcd-yak
Korpi-matthias-ebs
Hendo-letestu-lander
Klink

Klef-phaneuf
Nurse-sekera
Reinhart-fayne
Gryba, davidson

Keep Phaneuf away from the Oilers. He's overrated and overpaid. He's worse than the Oilers #6. Keep him away.

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[Bryanbryoil]

There's no way in hell that Carolina goes for that trade.

You don't think theyd do Reinhart and Draisaitl for Staal and Faulk?

They have Hanifin as a LHD and Staal still holds some decent value IMO. The trade would basically set them back and additional 2-3 years.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

I'd be supportive of moving future picks for defenders right now. Usually it's not a great idea to mortgage your future but we have an unprecedented number of young guys in our core.

 

[Philly85*]

They're going to have to move a few significant pieces eventually, both in terms of warm bodies and picks if they ever want to really improve.

It's just the way it is.

At the same time it's a high wire act because they desperately need to continue to draft and develop so there will be cheaper options on the wing and D when McDavid's and some others contracts are up for renewal. Such a tenuous balance.

IMO they simply can't keep this current group together no matter how you want to imagine it. And that's okay. I want the team to win and I think their can be a better mix of players.

 

[Jumptheshark]

curious to know why fayne has fallen so far so fast

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

curious to know why fayne has fallen so far so fast

Same. I was really happy when we signed him, and he was great in his first few months here.

The trade for a top d-man isnt going to happen during the season.

Purcell, Scrivens and Nikitin come off our cap next year. If I'm chia, I do everything in my power right now to focus on moving Fayne and Ference to desperate teams (as so many need defense right now).

As it is next year, we are losing 17.725 million in cap, with the need to fill both goaltending positions, and making a decision on Schultz.

Fayne and Ference being moved would free up another 7 million. Enough room for that #1 dman

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

Worse than the Oilers #6... What is that guy smoking?

 

[harpoon]

Fayne is Nick Schultz all over again (played all the games for Philly last season, fifteen points and a plus player). I wouldn't be surprised to see Fayne go back East and have a couple more decent seasons once he leaves Edmonton. In fact Schultz probably inspired him. Who wants to spend the tail end of their career trying to hold up the kind of rejects you are likely to find on your pairing in Edmonton? Fayne is only 28. D-men generally don't fall off that hard at 28.

 

[LTIR]

curious to know why fayne has fallen so far so fast

Blame Sekera.. Oilers expected Sekera to be top pairing Dman and carry Fayne on that pairing.. Just not meant to be..
Fayne belongs on the bottom pairing and with a more sound partner.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Blame Sekera.. Oilers expected Sekera to be top pairing Dman and carry Fayne on that pairing.. Just not meant to be..
Fayne belongs on the bottom pairing and with a more sound partner.

How's that Sekera's fault?



Honestly I'm not a fan of the treatment of Fayne. He's shown that he can't handle top pairing minutes; okay, but that doesn't mean that he should be PB'ed. Rather he should be lower in the lineup. Also note that since Fayne's been out of the lineup, Gyrba's play has gone downhill too as he's gotten a bigger role (though that could also be attributed to whom he's playing with...)

Fayne's struggled since Petry got moved. In other words, the guy that was sheltering him disappeared, and now Fayne's getting exposed in a role he can't handle. That's not his fault, just like it wasn't Petry's, Gilbert's, Schultz's (both) Whitney's, Smid's, ect...

It's the same with Sekera. He's not Vishnovsky, and shouldn't be asked to play top pairing while carrying Fayne or Nurse, like Lubo did with Gerbeshkov and Smid.


This team needs to stop putting players in a role everyone know's they can't handle, and then getting annoyed when said player fails...

 

[Fourier]

How's that Sekera's fault?



Honestly I'm not a fan of the treatment of Fayne. He's shown that he can't handle top pairing minutes; okay, but that doesn't mean that he should be PB'ed. Rather he should be lower in the lineup. Also note that since Fayne's been out of the lineup, Gyrba's play has gone downhill too as he's gotten a bigger role (though that could also be attributed to whom he's playing with...)

Fayne's struggled since Petry got moved. In other words, the guy that was sheltering him disappeared, and now Fayne's getting exposed in a role he can't handle. That's not his fault, just like it wasn't Petry's, Gilbert's, Schultz's (both) Whitney's, Smid's, ect...

It's the same with Sekera. He's not Vishnovsky, and shouldn't be asked to play top pairing while carrying Fayne or Nurse, like Lubo did with Gerbeshkov and Smid.


This team needs to stop putting players in a role everyone know's they can't handle, and then getting annoyed when said player fails...

Someone has to play on the top pairing. So you play the guys you have.

The answer of course is to get better defensemen, but I am not at all sure people would like the price you would have to pay to do that right now. Reinhart cost a #16 and an early 2nd. At this point in the season a real 1st pairing defenseman with any experience will cost an arm and two legs.

Fully healthy this team has a functional defense that would have been good enough to probably win this game even with all of the strange events.

But unfortunately they are too fragile to manage injuries. They have no Duncan Keith who can play 30 minutes when injuries and lack of depth rear their ugly heads.

 

[belair]

Fayne is Nick Schultz all over again (played all the games for Philly last season, fifteen points and a plus player). I wouldn't be surprised to see Fayne go back East and have a couple more decent seasons once he leaves Edmonton. In fact Schultz probably inspired him. Who wants to spend the tail end of their career trying to hold up the kind of rejects you are likely to find on your pairing in Edmonton? Fayne is only 28. D-men generally don't fall off that hard at 28.

Wonder if Philly would swap Luke Schenn for Mark Fayne. Fayne has shown he can play in the East. And Schenn might be a better fit in the West with the physical game. It's not the best acqusition, but it might just shake up the defense.

Klefbom - Sekera
Nurse - Schenn
Reinhart - Gryba
Davidson
Ference

Klefbom - Schultz
Sekera - Schenn
Reinhart - Gryba
Davidson
Ference

 

[PKSpecialist]

Without looking into the salary cap ramifications, I would love to see the Oilers deal for Justin Faulk. I know there is a lot of love for Seth Jones or Ryan Ellis on this site, which is justified by our need for a RHD, but I am not particularly high on either player as a fit on this team. Justin Faulk is exactly what we need. I am also high on Victor Rask, and wanted him to be our pick over David Musil. I know a lot of people here were clammoring for Boone Jenner, but Rask would have been my pick. Rask managed to win 51% of his draws as a rookie last year. I would love to see a deal something like this:

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Anton Lander
Mark Fayne

for

Justin Faulk
Victor Rask

(I think a deal of this magnitude is an offseason deal). This deal gives Carolina a replacement for Staal if he walks. Fayne would be back in the East and give Carolina a veteran presence on the backend to pair with Fleury/Hanifin. Lander while not as good as Rask(IMO), would be a good fit in Carolina also.

Our lineup would look something like this next year:

Pouliot McDavid Yakupov
Hall Draisaitl Eberle
Slepyshev Rask Pakarinen
Khaira Letestu Hendricks

Klefbom Faulk
Sekera Schultz
Nurse Reinhart

Talbot
Brossoit

It's honestly one of the best lineups I've seen posted here, and it doesn't even account for the millions of dollars we have to throw at free agents. We would have the cap space to upgrade for the expiring contracts in Pakarinen/Schultz. Could opt to resign Nilsson as the backup depenting on how he looks the rest of the year, let Brossoit take over, or sign a veteran...or let Talbot walk if he keeps letting in goals from behind the goalline and bring in a better starter?

 

[Phillybean]

I'm just not ready to deal Nuge. With Drai playing great on the wing, I think Eberle is expendable.

Who has more value, Drai or Eberle? Package a second and Fayne and see what it can get.

Without looking into the salary cap ramifications, I would love to see the Oilers deal for Justin Faulk. I know there is a lot of love for Seth Jones or Ryan Ellis on this site, which is justified by our need for a RHD, but I am not particularly high on either player as a fit on this team. Justin Faulk is exactly what we need. I am also high on Victor Rask, and wanted him to be our pick over David Musil. I know a lot of people here were clammoring for Boone Jenner, but Rask would have been my pick. Rask managed to win 51% of his draws as a rookie last year. I would love to see a deal something like this:

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Anton Lander
Mark Fayne

for

Justin Faulk
Victor Rask

(I think a deal of this magnitude is an offseason deal). This deal gives Carolina a replacement for Staal if he walks. Fayne would be back in the East and give Carolina a veteran presence on the backend to pair with Fleury/Hanifin. Lander while not as good as Rask(IMO), would be a good fit in Carolina also.

Our lineup would look something like this next year:

Pouliot McDavid Yakupov
Hall Draisaitl Eberle
Slepyshev Rask Pakarinen
Khaira Letestu Hendricks

Klefbom Faulk
Sekera Schultz
Nurse Reinhart

Talbot
Brossoit

It's honestly one of the best lineups I've seen posted here, and it doesn't even account for the millions of dollars we have to throw at free agents. We would have the cap space to upgrade for the expiring contracts in Pakarinen/Schultz. Could opt to resign Nilsson as the backup depenting on how he looks the rest of the year, let Brossoit take over, or sign a veteran...or let Talbot walk if he keeps letting in goals from behind the goalline and bring in a better starter?

 

[belair]

Carolina doesn't need centers.

And messing with the top-6 is the last thing we should be doing. It's the only thing that's been keeping us in games. A surefire 30-minute-a-night defender would be amazing but they only become available once in a blue moon. Creating a hole to fill another just isn't the most effective way of building the team.

 

[McDeepika]

Ya I think Draisaitl plays a game that compliments Hall/RNH very nicely. He isn't the quickest player but Hall/RNH like being the puck carriers anyways so it doesn't hinder him. He is good at getting the puck to them in the neutral zone and then trailing and finding open ice.

I wouldn't touch the first 2 lines right now.

Eberle is a good player but I would probably move him for the best dman we can get. It would set up our cap very nicely as well.

 

[Mr Positive]

How's that Sekera's fault?



Honestly I'm not a fan of the treatment of Fayne. He's shown that he can't handle top pairing minutes; okay, but that doesn't mean that he should be PB'ed. Rather he should be lower in the lineup. Also note that since Fayne's been out of the lineup, Gyrba's play has gone downhill too as he's gotten a bigger role (though that could also be attributed to whom he's playing with...)

Fayne's struggled since Petry got moved. In other words, the guy that was sheltering him disappeared, and now Fayne's getting exposed in a role he can't handle. That's not his fault, just like it wasn't Petry's, Gilbert's, Schultz's (both) Whitney's, Smid's, ect...

It's the same with Sekera. He's not Vishnovsky, and shouldn't be asked to play top pairing while carrying Fayne or Nurse, like Lubo did with Gerbeshkov and Smid.


This team needs to stop putting players in a role everyone know's they can't handle, and then getting annoyed when said player fails...

imo Fayne was put in the press box because McLellan wanted to send him a strong message. If all Fayne can be is better than Ference and Gryba, then he's a failure.

I disagree with you that Fayne can't handle the Petry role. Fayne played that role on a very tough, hardworking New Jersey team that made it to the finals. I know there are some reasons to think he can't handle it, but we can't know for sure. What we do know for sure is that we don't need yet another bottom pairing D. It makes sense to try and revive Fayne to be what he was for New Jersey. Obviously McLellan has decided that it's not enough to let him toil on the bottom pairing and work on his game in practice. Fayne needs to be shaken up and realize that his career is on the line here. We need a top shutdown pairing D, not what Fayne has become.

 

[doulos]

Nothing substantial can be done this season with the millions and millions of dollars in dead space. Will just have to ride it out and make some changes next year.

 

[PKSpecialist]

Carolina doesn't need centers.

And messing with the top-6 is the last thing we should be doing. It's the only thing that's been keeping us in games. A surefire 30-minute-a-night defender would be amazing but they only become available once in a blue moon. Creating a hole to fill another just isn't the most effective way of building the team.

The thing is once Eberle comes back if there is a surplus on the team it is up front. Call Draisaitl a winger and we can deal one. Call him a center and we can deal one. Doesn't matter. We have to give to get, and if there is anything this team can afford to deal outside of draft picks, which are not worth much at this point in the season, its top 6 forwards.

Pouliot McDavid Yakupov
Hall Nugent-Hopkins Eberle

I would have to think that long-term Draisaitl and Slepyshev probably slot in to the top 6 plans, so if we are to ever improve our defense we need to make some deals. We can't keep waiting for our young guys to get there. Klefbom/Nurse/Reinhart/Schultz all have potential, but there is nothing in the pipeline behind those guys that looks like it will turn into a second pairing player, let alone a top pairing guy. And outside of Schultz, none of these guys are true RHD. I don't see Schultz ever becoming a top pairing guy, so unless you want to wait and draft a RHD and give it 5 years for them to get there, or unless you honestly believe that dealing our spare parts..Purcell/Fayne/Ference gets us a top pairing right hand D, the time is this offseason to deal for one.

 

[PKSpecialist]

I think Carolina makes a great trade partner because they have a need for scoring, a first line center on an expiring contract, and a glut of defenders, especially on the right side.

Next year signed or under their control for them:

Hanifin Faulk
Hainsey Wisniewski
Jordan Pesce
Carrick Murphy
Fleury McKeown

Pesce, Murphy and McKeown are interesting pieces, but they are not sure things. Faulk is a sure thing. Let them pick who they want in return(Eberle/RNH/Yakupov) and add in the pieces around them to make a deal. Again, I think its an offseason deal, but its the direction I would be headed if I were Chiarelli.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Blame Sekera.. Oilers expected Sekera to be top pairing Dman and carry Fayne on that pairing.. Just not meant to be..
Fayne belongs on the bottom pairing and with a more sound partner.

When they signed him PC told the media that Sekera was a #3.

He is paid as a #3.

 

[Spawn]

I'm just not ready to deal Nuge. With Drai playing great on the wing, I think Eberle is expendable.

Who has more value, Drai or Eberle? Package a second and Fayne and see what it can get.

When you consider how close teams are to the cap and the length of Fayne's contract it's not a given that he wouldn't clear waivers. Fayne and a 2nd doesn't get the Oilers a thing.

The Oilers are in a ridiculous bind here. They don't have depth anywhere on the roster or in the organization. There are no positions of strength to deal from.

Chairelli is going to need to pull of a heist on a sleeping GM.

 

[Soundwave]

I hope San Jose continues to cool off.

I'd be willing to go as high as EDM 1st 2016 (top 5 protected) + Justin Schultz for Brent Burns. It's a lot to pay, but I think it'd stabilize a lot for us.

 

[Faelko]

We're about to make a big trade...

Gazdic
Slepyshev/Pakarinen
Ference
Gryba/Davidson

For

Eberle
Hendricks
Reinhart
Schultz

That's about all I see Chia doing right now unfortunately.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

We're about to make a big trade...

Gazdic
Slepyshev/Pakarinen
Ference
Gryba/Davidson

For

Eberle
Hendricks
Reinhart
Schultz

That's about all I see Chia doing right now unfortunately.

Swap out Schultz for Fayne and you've got a deal