HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[Adam Michaels]

What's the scouting report on Harrison Brunicke on the Pens?

Other than he has a terrible name, I can't offer anything of value.

 

[dauv]

Hughes would be one hell of a GM if he trades Roy to Columbus for Jiricek and to Rangers for Kakko at the same time. One player to two different teams.

it will be Lindros all over again

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Let's not get anybody , sell and tank

 

[Goalfield13]

A trade around Dach for Malkin would need to have the Pens add, but I wouldn't dismiss the value of Malkin to this team, even for just two years.

Malkin will provide leadership, and I bet Cole, Demidov, Laine and Slaf would love to have that C option available to them. Those two years allows Hage, Beck and whomever else we draft time to develop. Malkin makes trading Dvo even easier, and as much as I don't want to trade him, we would be able to afford tradin Evans as well if the right price comes through.

Having said that, Pens would have to add a really good asset to get it done, and I don't think they would be willing to do that. Dach for Malkin straight up or with a mediocre asset attached I would never do in a million years.

 

[The Great Weal]

Dach's trade value is in the toilet; there is no reason to trade him. I also doubt Newhook has more value than a 2nd. Pro scouting needs to be reevaluated and do a better job because we gave up pretty solid assets here and don't have a guaranteed 2nd line center from it. I'm not going to count the likes of Matheson/Laine/Monahan since we essentially got paid to take them on or had to take them on to make the trade work.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Dach's trade value is in the toilet; there is no reason to trade him. I also doubt Newhook has more value than a 2nd. Pro scouting needs to be reevaluated and do a better job because we gave up pretty solid assets here and don't have a guaranteed 2nd line center from it. I'm not going to count the likes of Matheson/Laine/Monahan since we essentially got paid to take them on or had to take them on to make the trade work.

Dach to Pittsburgh would be a match according to Bret Hart:

 

[Habs 4 Life]

What's the scouting report on Harrison Brunicke on the Pens?

Wasn't it him that had a great camp and they wanted to keep him around?

 

[Sterling Archer]

Dach for Malkin and a 1st. Giving away 10 years of Dach production, need need to compensate as Habs aren't competing for years Malkin is here.

Suffice it to say, they're not good trade partners for Dach.

 

[Miller Time]

Dach for Malkin and a 1st. Giving away 10 years of Dach production, need need to compensate as Habs aren't competing for years Malkin is here.

Suffice it to say, they're not good trade partners for Dach.

Would you not trade Dach for the Pens 1st straight up?

If so, hard to grasp why Malkin would be worth nothing

 

[Sterling Archer]

Would you not trade Dach for the Pens 1st straight up?

If so, hard to grasp why Malkin would be worth nothing

i would not trade Dach for Pens 1st. Habs are trying to be competitive in the next year or two, A 1st next year won't help them with that and they already have a plethora of picks and one of the deepest farms in the NHL. They need help now that they can add to their core this year or within the next 2 years.

 

[Lockin17]

MTL : Newhook + Barron + Sam Harris
for
CLB : Jiricek

 

[Kosseca]

i would not trade Dach for Pens 1st. Habs are trying to be competitive in the next year or two, A 1st next year won't help them with that and they already have a plethora of picks and one of the deepest farms in the NHL. They need help now that they can add to their core this year or within the next 2 years.

I would think that the value of PIT 1st would be higher right now then Dach. So while this is a not a move that help you right away, you may want to consider it if you think you can move it (or CAL 1st) for another piece that can help you sooner.

MTL : Newhook + Barron + Sam Harris
for
CLB : Jiricek

I wouldn't trade Newhook for Jiricek. I dont see the need to add him when you have a similar guy in Mailloux in the system.

Barron+ Harris, sure.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

To CBJ: Dach + Reinbacher .... patch it up
To MTL: Jiricek + Lindstrom .... or patch this one up

I'm off by what on which side?

Columbus won't trade Lindstrom...

 

[Miller Time]

i would not trade Dach for Pens 1st. Habs are trying to be competitive in the next year or two, A 1st next year won't help them with that and they already have a plethora of picks and one of the deepest farms in the NHL. They need help now that they can add to their core this year or within the next 2 years.

Wow... I get the rationale, I just don't see the Habs or any other organization (regardless of roster make-up), passing up on a likely top 5 lottery pick to keep Dach.

Quite reasonable to expect the Habs could just as easily turn around and swap that pick (or an existing lesser prospect made redundant by the prospect picked with it) for an established upgrade on Dach and still end up ahead.... Heck, we acquired Dach minus the major knee injury and 3 more seasons without establishing his top 6 chops, for the 13OA pick.

I very much agree that the roster next fall should be bolstered rather than weakened, but overall effective asset management is the way to do that and a top 5 pick for Dach seems like a no-brainer imo

 

[Ford Prefect]

I was thinking more about Sillinger or Johnson. I dont see them moving Lindstrom anytime soon.

Yeah, me either. It was more a not-so-subtle dig at the selection (I wasn't a huge fan of the pick that high in the draft). And not at the player, I hope he recovers fully and we can see what he brings to the game.

 

[BozoTheClown]

i would not trade Dach for Pens 1st. Habs are trying to be competitive in the next year or two, A 1st next year won't help them with that and they already have a plethora of picks and one of the deepest farms in the NHL. They need help now that they can add to their core this year or within the next 2 years.

Trying to be competitive and being competitive are 2 different things.
We are only competitive if Dach and Newhook become consistent top 6 point producers while being good enough defensively. Unfortunately, it’s not what they provide and the trend doesn’t look good.

If that 1st isn’t protected, which I highly doubt it won’t, you need to do that trade. Having 2 top 5 picks, the Calgary 1st round plus whatever we get for Matheson, Savard, Dvorak, Armia would be fantastic.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

i would not trade Dach for Pens 1st. Habs are trying to be competitive in the next year or two, A 1st next year won't help them with that and they already have a plethora of picks and one of the deepest farms in the NHL. They need help now that they can add to their core this year or within the next 2 years.

thats pretty crazy Dach is nowhere near worth a top 5 pick even if you wanna compete next year that 1st will land you a player 10 times better then Kirby

 

[vokiel]

Columbus won't trade Lindstrom...

And we wouldn't trade Reinbacher until we've beaten his name into nothingness... Go figure. The promise of greatness is always better than greatness itself ah.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I would think that the value of PIT 1st would be higher right now then Dach. So while this is a not a move that help you right away, you may want to consider it if you think you can move it (or CAL 1st) for another piece that can help you sooner.


I wouldn't trade Newhook for Jiricek. I dont see the need to add him when you have a similar guy in Mailloux in the system.

Barron+ Harris, sure.

I can't imagine that Pens pick wouldn't be top 10 protected. So if the pick gets deferred to 2026, that's yet another year you have to wait and not likely another top 10 pick. if habs are to trade Dach, i would hope it would be as part of a package to get another, more established center that fits the core now and can help them win right away. All the talk from management is that they want to avoid a "losing" atmosphere and start to win and be more competitive sooner than later. Add to that Laine is coming back and hopefully give dach a true scoring winger for the first time in his carrer. It will take some time for both of them to get back into full game shape, but I think you have to give Dach that chance before giving up on him, particularly for a 2025, possibly 2026 pick when they already have Demidov and Hage on the door step.

Wow... I get the rationale, I just don't see the Habs or any other organization (regardless of roster make-up), passing up on a likely top 5 lottery pick to keep Dach.

Quite reasonable to expect the Habs could just as easily turn around and swap that pick (or an existing lesser prospect made redundant by the prospect picked with it) for an established upgrade on Dach and still end up ahead.... Heck, we acquired Dach minus the major knee injury and 3 more seasons without establishing his top 6 chops, for the 13OA pick.

I very much agree that the roster next fall should be bolstered rather than weakened, but overall effective asset management is the way to do that and a top 5 pick for Dach seems like a no-brainer imo

I'm not opposed to trading anyone on the roster as long as they can get a better player in return. Habs have a trove of picks and prospects they can add to a deal to improve their roster. Trading Dach for a pick doesn't do them any good for years to come when they need help now. So if you're getting a few years of an aging Malkin to act as a stop gap and veteran to help the kids, it can't cost you a player like Dach who's shown he can be a dominate force and likely just needs some time and help to get going, Maybe revisit at the deadline when he has more time under his belt and Laine as a winger for a few months to see how they do together to bolster the 2nd line.

I've always said that the Habs will go as far as their 2nd line will take them. They haven't been healthy or together long enough to even have tested a real second line yet.

Thats pretty crazy Dach is nowhere near worth a top 5 pick even if you wanna compete next year that 1st will land you a player 10 times better then Kirby

Pens are NOT trading a top 5 pick for Dach. That would be crazy. If they were to dangle their 1st unprotected then yes, no brainer to make that deal and likely get two 1st in the top 10 in a deep draft but that's not happening.

 

[sampollock]

THE draft will be a huge thing this summer for the habs

 

[Canadienna]

I really like Jiricek. I know he doesn't fit our needs all that well, but I like him more than the RHD we have.

Moving Dach is a mistake, can't imagine his value is all that high anyway.

 

[Miller Time]

I can't imagine that Pens pick wouldn't be top 10 protected.

Ok... That's obviously completely different value.

So if the pick gets deferred to 2026, that's yet another year you have to wait and not likely another top 10 pick.

Again, completely different scenario.

if habs are to trade Dach, i would hope it would be as part of a package to get another, more established center that fits the core now and can help them win right away.

Sure. But the question was wether or not you thought the Pens 1st was worth Dach.

All the talk from management is that they want to avoid a "losing" atmosphere and start to win and be more competitive sooner than later. Add to that Laine is coming back and hopefully give dach a true scoring winger for the first time in his carrer. It will take some time for both of them to get back into full game shape, but I think you have to give Dach that chance before giving up on him, particularly for a 2025, possibly 2026 pick when they already have Demidov and Hage on the door step.

Agree fully

I'm not opposed to trading anyone on the roster as long as they can get a better player in return. Habs have a trove of picks and prospects they can add to a deal to improve their roster. Trading Dach for a pick doesn't do them any good for years to come when they need help now.

What that pick is affects this statement.

So if you're getting a few years of an aging Malkin to act as a stop gap and veteran to help the kids, it can't cost you a player like Dach who's shown he can be a dominate force and likely just needs some time and help to get going, Maybe revisit at the deadline when he has more time under his belt and Laine as a winger for a few months to see how they do together to bolster the 2nd line.

I think if you add Malkin for minimum this year & next (if healthy, good likelihood he extends on a team friendly deal, especially if team is pushing into contention... Pavelski-like vet impact would be a nice top 9 piece in that young core), the loss of Dach is ok.

Malkin is better now, likely still better next season, and by year 3-4 we've got players like Beck, Mesar & Hage who will be pushing for top 9 roles and can play C.

I've always said that the Habs will go as far as their 2nd line will take them. They haven't been healthy or together long enough to even have tested a real second line yet.

Agreed

Pens are NOT trading a top 5 pick for Dach. That would be crazy. If they were to dangle their 1st unprotected then yes, no brainer to make that deal and likely get two 1st in the top 10 in a deep draft but that's not happening.

Sure... You stated you wouldn't do Dach for Malkin + 1st... Maybe you were exaggerating, but that's what I was curious about. I think you've clarified. Cheers

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

The ship has sailed on Kakko

Much older players have suddenly emerged as players in the mediocre NHL - Gaudette, Donato, . Hell Necas who should be a 70 pter is leading the league.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Ok... That's obviously completely different value.


Again, completely different scenario.


Sure. But the question was wether or not you thought the Pens 1st was worth Dach.


Agree fully

What that pick is affects this statement.


I think if you add Malkin for minimum this year & next (if healthy, good likelihood he extends on a team friendly deal, especially if team is pushing into contention... Pavelski-like vet impact would be a nice top 9 piece in that young core), the loss of Dach is ok.

Malkin is better now, likely still better next season, and by year 3-4 we've got players like Beck, Mesar & Hage who will be pushing for top 9 roles and can play C.


Agreed

Sure... You stated you wouldn't do Dach for Malkin + 1st... Maybe you were exaggerating, but that's what I was curious about. I think you've clarified. Cheers

The question is the Pens 1st and it's protection. unprotected means it's a no brainer. Protected is not so simple.

I said Dach for Malkin and a 1st. I think you read it backwards. Obviously that's a protected 1st (as ALL teams do nowadays) that will likely be pushed to 2026. Hence the added premium of Malkin, who btw, I'd LOVE to see with the Habs and his dad said Malkin would love to play for. I'd even add a little to that trade from the Habs end, but not a premium asset.

 

[MarkJ]

Why do CLB want to get rid of Jiricek? Could it be that he has some red flags? Don't know if true but on Marinaro's pod some guy said he could have some off ice issues so that could be a reason.