HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[Beendair Donedat]

No idea why we suddenly “need” David Jiricek, and why we’d ever entertain moving a top notch prospect in Owen Beck?

For a guy who can’t crack the Columbus Blue Jackets starting rotation. They ain’t exactly the 1970s Habs with the big 3 back there.

Owen Beck is a winner. All he does is win. Everywhere he goes. He’s loved by all of his coaches, his teammates. He’s incredibly intelligent (on and off the ice), he wins draws like a machine, and he plays with a mean streak that can cross the line. He can kill penalties, and using his elite speed he will always be a threat shorthanded. Strong defensive game overshadows the fact that he has a vicious and accurate shot. He reminds me of a similar cerebral player from Peterborough, who wore the captain’s “C” for many years and has his number in the rafters.

In short, he’s everything you’d want in a third line center. You don’t give up on guys like that, he’s the gritty/talented type of player that we need MORE of, not less, and in this case you’d be trading a sure fire NHL player for some magic beans. I’m shocked that some folks would even consider it if I’m being honest.

 

[themilosh]

We could all tell by Pacioretty’s 3rd season that he was special. Chicago got rid of Dach, a3rd overall after 3 seasons only and is now in his 6th season and look terrible.

I don’t like the fact Chicago gave u on him so fast and I think they saw something that I think we are now seeing. Part of it must be his lack intensity, his nonchalance and his poor work ethic.

Im with you.. i would expect after 1 year off with access to the best medical medicines, unlimited wealth, would work on his IQ reading of the game.. he should have been studying the game tape hour after hour of every player for 6 hours each day. I expected him to be slow physically.. but to have such a low iq as compensation has dropped his stock..
At best hes a top6 W.. at worst he's a 3rd line C if he catches up physically.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I think Hugo should trade both second round picks for a late first round pick. So we have 3 first round picks. We can ship Savard for a 2nd and Dvorak for another 2nd. Armia for a 3rd and Pezzetta for a 5th. Use those picks to get a late first round pick.

1st round pick (1-4) (Marton/Hagen/Schaefer/Misa)
1st round pick (15-20) (Desnoyers/Eklund/Moore/O'Brien/Smith/Lakovic)
1st round pick (20-28) (Carbonneau/Bear)

Our own 2nd round picks
Cootes and Fiddler

We have a good chance at stocking up prospect pool for next 5 years.

Very doubtful if he had all those picks he wouldn't be adding to the team with actual NHLers.

 

[HuGort]

I think Hugo should trade both second round picks for a late first round pick. So we have 3 first round picks. We can ship Savard for a 2nd and Dvorak for another 2nd. Armia for a 3rd and Pezzetta for a 5th. Use those picks to get a late first round pick.

1st round pick (1-4) (Marton/Hagen/Schaefer/Misa)
1st round pick (15-20) (Desnoyers/Eklund/Moore/O'Brien/Smith/Lakovic)
1st round pick (20-28) (Carbonneau/Bear)

Our own 2nd round picks
Cootes and Fiddler

We have a good chance at stocking up prospect pool for next 5 years.

That's too many picks. Slide some to '26 draft

 

[Goalfield13]

Romanov, Fairbrother, 2022 3rd (66th), 4th (98th), 2023 1st (31st), 2nd (37th)

for

Dach and Newhook

I am not sure I trust G/H to make trades anymore.

 

[Ezpz]

Romanov, Fairbrother, 2022 3rd (66th), 4th (98th), 2023 1st (31st), 2nd (37th)

for

Dach and Newhook

I am not sure I trust G/H to make trades anymore.

I mean that's basically a nothing package for two, at worst, middle six forwards. Romanov still isn't a huge loss, though obviously many would rather him over some of our other d. But he doesn't beat out Guhle of matheson at LD so it's the same problem we have now.

Dach getting a full knee explosion in a fluke accident isn't exactly a scouting issue. It would be like saying patches was injury prone from Chara breaking his neck.

Newhook sucks though ngl. Just a vanilla player with no standout attributes. I'd do the Dach trade again but I'd definitely not do the newhook one. Rather roll the dice on random prospects.

 

[Goalfield13]

I mean that's basically a nothing package for two, at worst, middle six forwards. Romanov still isn't a huge loss, though obviously many would rather him over some of our other d. But he doesn't beat out Guhle of matheson at LD so it's the same problem we have now.

Dach getting a full knee explosion in a fluke accident isn't exactly a scouting issue. It would be like saying patches was injury prone from Chara breaking his neck.

Newhook sucks though ngl. Just a vanilla player with no standout attributes. I'd do the Dach trade again but I'd definitely not do the newhook one. Rather roll the dice on random prospects.

Romanov is better than both easily, and the 31st and 37th hurt.

Dach has had injury issues, and wasn't exactly doing well in Chicago, who were quick to be rid of him entering a rebuild. it's telling.

Newhook is pretty much what he was in Colorado, and was never worth that trade package.

 

[Hins77]

Romanov is better than both easily, and the 31st and 37th hurt.

Dach has had injury issues, and wasn't exactly doing well in Chicago, who were quick to be rid of him entering a rebuild. it's telling.

Newhook is pretty much what he was in Colorado, and was never worth that trade package.

Kent Hugues was a good friend, or had a solid relationship with Newhook. I think he went to newfoundland when he won the cup. I think he overpaid to bring him

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Kent Hugues was a good friend, or had a solid relationship with Newhook. I think he went to newfoundland when he won the cup. I think he overpaid to bring him

100000%.

Guy brought nothing the Habs couldn't have gotten for free.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

Romanov is better than both easily, and the 31st and 37th hurt.

Dach has had injury issues, and wasn't exactly doing well in Chicago, who were quick to be rid of him entering a rebuild. it's telling.

Newhook is pretty much what he was in Colorado, and was never worth that trade package.

Romanov was dealt to make room for Guhle, Xhekaj

 

[26Mats]

Romanov is better than both easily, and the 31st and 37th hurt.

Dach has had injury issues, and wasn't exactly doing well in Chicago, who were quick to be rid of him entering a rebuild. it's telling.

Newhook is pretty much what he was in Colorado, and was never worth that trade package.

These may all be right.

But we won't know after 20 games of a seson.

Dach did well pre-injury. Let's see how he trains this year and comes back next year.
Newhook had good moments last year. Let's see how he progresses with age.
If Matheson plays well enough to have good trade value next year, that will be a great trade for Petry, who had negative trade value a year after we dealt him.
Xhekaj still has a ways to go. Hope he gets there.

After Hage, I'm excited to see what Hughes will do with the Calgary 1st - and if he can land a 1st for Savard...

 

[Rapala]

We have to all-in for Jiricek.

RHD, big, physical, good shot. Mobility is a problem, hockey sense maybe.

I loved him in his draft year, had him #3 OA over Slaf.

Only Demidov is off the table. Perfect age for the core.

Reinbacher one for one?

Who can't crack the Columbus Blue Jacket's roster.
If you want a good Dman you can't be trying to fix the insanely stupid reads he's making at this stage in his career.

Does he look anything even remotely close to what Kaiden Guhle was in his first year?
At some point you have to determine the slot selection is irrelevant when assessing an asset.
For Beck...
f*** OFF is my response.

 

[ML16]

MacEwen is on waivers.

He's an upgrade on Pezzetta who hasn't played in like a month, or once in a month.

It's more of a new look player than anything

He can compare Ottawa and Montreal and see which one is more f***ed

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Romanov is better than both easily, and the 31st and 37th hurt.

Dach has had injury issues, and wasn't exactly doing well in Chicago, who were quick to be rid of him entering a rebuild. it's telling.

Newhook is pretty much what he was in Colorado, and was never worth that trade package.

Romanov is absolutely not better then Guhle...

And Dach was great in the bubble before his unlucky wrist injury that trade was fine

 

[Rapala]

Im with you.. i would expect after 1 year off with access to the best medical medicines, unlimited wealth, would work on his IQ reading of the game.. he should have been studying the game tape hour after hour of every player for 6 hours each day. I expected him to be slow physically.. but to have such a low iq as compensation has dropped his stock..
At best hes a top6 W.. at worst he's a 3rd line C if he catches up physically.

Maybe all that time spent hanging around the meeting rooms last season wasn't so great after all.

 

[sampollock]

I say Rackell from Pitt incoming.

 

[Egresch]

I would not mind trading for Elias Salomonsson, very interesting two-way right-handed D. 6-2, 185 lbs, drafted 2rd/55th overall by Jets. Would could even be a good trading partner with them as they lack depth on left D side. Their 3LD is currently Haydn Fleury, Matheson 50% retained could do the deal.

Elias Salomonsson - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Elias Salomonsson, 2004-08-31 Skellefteå, SWE Sweden. Most recently in the AHL with Manitoba Moose. Complete player biography and stats.

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[Goalfield13]

Romanov was dealt to make room for Guhle, Xhekaj

Guhle plays top pair. Xhekaj is bottom pair. Seems like Romaov would fill in the second pair easily. Thank goodness we got lucky on the Hutson pick, or this would be much worse.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Guhle plays top pair. Xhekaj is bottom pair. Seems like Romaov would fill in the second pair easily. Thank goodness we got lucky on the Hutson pick, or this would be much worse.

Ah yes, they got lucky on the Hutson pick and everything else they did was bad.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

32 thoughts

On Jiricek

They're looking for a player who hasn't popped yet.

Nashville, Minnesota, Flyers and others are the teams Friedman is looking at.

He says he doesn't see Edmonton having what Columbus would want.

 

[vokiel]

I say Rackell from Pitt incoming.

With his contract at 31? That's rough, I hope they're taking Anderson or Gallagher back.

Edit: I'd do Anderson and a pick/prospect for Beauvillier.

Edit 2: Why not Hayes at center?

 

[sampollock]

Long year this will be. top 5 pick again. not a bad thing
but hard to watch with no effort from this club
classic regression

the 2025 draft is our playoffs and the most exciting night this team will have in all of 2024

 

[Goalfield13]

Ah yes, they got lucky on the Hutson pick and everything else they did was bad.

Ah yes, putting words in my mouth. There is a lot to like, but the Dach and Newhook trade could set us back quite a bit. They were trades meant to jumpstart the rebuild and may have the opposite effect. I actually really like G/H's draft history, but their trades leave a lot to be desired. Here's hoping Laine can come in a turn things around.

Romanov is absolutely not better then Guhle...

And Dach was great in the bubble before his unlucky wrist injury that trade was fine

Where did I say Romanov was better than Guhle?? I was talking about Dach and Newhook, my friend. You now, the players mentioned in my post?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Ah yes, putting words in my mouth. There is a lot to like, but the Dach and Newhook trade could set us back quite a bit. They were trades meant to jumpstart the rebuild and may have the opposite effect. I actually really like G/H's draft history, but their trades leave a lot to be desired. Here's hoping Laine can come in a turn things around.


Where did I say Romanov was better than Guhle?? I was talking about Dach and Newhook, my friend. You now, the players mentioned in my post?

They're not going to set us back at all.. they gave up picks that rarely return players of their caliber. They moved an expendable piece in Romanov.

The rebuild is not going to be made or broken by those two trades, nor the assets they gave up in either of those deals. I'd also be super cautious making sweeping generalizations on Kirby Dach right now.

 

[sampollock]

PL in a reg practice jersey today

Here is our new trade type guy coming in vs CBJ