HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Nico Cauzuki]

Savard will demand the same next season.

Savard today is more valuable then Savard next year specially at 50%

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

The habs are in a good position to make a trade for an impact forward this summer. We have 4 first round picks and 3 second round picks in the next 2 drafts which includes a likely top 10 pick this year, and we have a ton of young talented defensemen.

 

[MXD]

Savard today is more valuable then Savard next year specially at 50%

If he's THAT valuable, why retain?

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

If he's THAT valuable, why retain?

is that seriously a question

 

[Ezpz]

Gally and something for PLD one mil retained and Turcotte. Dump our worst contract, buy low on PLD. PLD isn't amazing but is at least a long term top six player. Turcotte is another Newhook gamble.

Bergevin can convince Blake Gally is worth getting with tears in his eyes.

 

[Captain Mountain]

If he's THAT valuable, why retain?

Because the retention is obviously where most of the value is.

Based on reports from insiders, even a guy like Tanev may not be worth a first this deadline, and he's much more effective than Savard at this point in time.

Savard's value in a trade right now would be if a team can get him at an AAV of 1.75 for two playoff runs. He wouldn't have the same value next deadline or even the offseason, and he wouldn't have the same value at his full cap hit.

 

[Ezpz]

If he's THAT valuable, why retain?

Because he is valuable because of the retention, top 4 d at 2 mil for two years. Of the teams that could fit him at full cap, few could handle it in the off-season without sacrificing other signings.

 

[MXD]

Because he is valuable because of the retention, top 4 d at 2 mil for two years. Of the teams that could fit him at full cap, few could handle it in the off-season without sacrificing other signings.

... Meanwhile, we have more goaltenders than Top-6 RHD on the roster.

I'm not saying to NOT trade Savard. But Allen must be traded too. And I don't think Allen can be traded without retention.

 

[Captain Mountain]

... Meanwhile, we have more goaltenders than regular RHD on the roster.

I'm not saying to NOT trade Savard. But Allen must be traded too. And I don't think Allen can be traded without retention.

RHD are more valuable than goalies and Montreal has sufficient D to survive the rest of the season.

 

[Benstheman]

... Meanwhile, we have more goaltenders than Top-6 RHD on the roster.

I'm not saying to NOT trade Savard. But Allen must be traded too. And I don't think Allen can be traded without retention.

Allen will get you next to nothing even retained.

 

[jaffy27]

Allen will get you next to nothing even retained.

What’s next to nothing?

 

[Leto]

It's going to be an interesting summer because everyone, including Hughes, has been explicit that their intention is to make a trade.

Such a weird feeling as a habs fan. For the longest time we either had GMs that refused to feed speculation or had MB telling us trades are hard. Hughes is telling fans and insiders specifically that he's targeting talent via trade and that the assets he's collecting are for that.

The suspense is killing me.

This is amusing to me. The sources of most insiders are the players’ agents and the GMs. You have Hughes feeding the insiders who repeat his propaganda, and by the time the market moves, Hughes usually gets his set price. The modus operandi is so blatantly obvious, yet it works.

 

[Benstheman]

Allen will get you next to nothing even retained.

Maybe a 3rd??

 

[jaffy27]

Savard today is more valuable then Savard next year specially at 50%

Absolutely….the player for 2yrs is worth a 1st alone, especially being a dependable RHD with cup experience.

The retention part (50%) for two seasons is worth a 2nd in my opinion.

Picks can be separated as in one would be a 24 and the other a 25…..

Serious teams aspiring will pay!!

 

[Ezpz]

Because the retention is obviously where most of the value is.

Based on reports from insiders, even a guy like Tanev may not be worth a first this deadline, and he's much more effective than Savard at this point in time.

Savard's value in a trade right now would be if a team can get him at an AAV of 1.75 for two playoff runs. He wouldn't have the same value next deadline or even the offseason, and he wouldn't have the same value at his full cap hit.

I would argue that tanev is actually equally effective at this point. His minutes, numbers and metrics have gone down significantly. Recently the flames moved him up the lineup to showcase him but he's not that much different than savard. Negligible at best, and I think the extra year with retention gives Savard the edge in value.

For me he would fit better on Vegas or Toronto. He's not useful to add to Colorado or Tampa. Coincidentally Vegas only has two full time NHL caliber RD at the moment. Their cupboards are empty though so picks are the only real thing to go for.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Maybe a 3rd??

Oufff, even that I think is a stretch... I wouldn't mind future considerations to be honest for Allen so we just get rid of him and his salary for next season. That's another 4 million to play with

 

[Captain Mountain]

I can't see Columbus trading Johnson, but that would be who I would target. Pinto is another player I'd target.

The only thing is that Basu article where he suspects/hears that Hugo is probably going to want to trade for someone a little more established and less like Dach/Newhook.

The only folks I can think of that might be available are Pettersson, Zegras, Kyrou, Necas.

Kakko and Johnson are more like Dach/Newhook.

I have this strange feeling that they might actually look at a Laine trade.

-They've talked about scoring and whatever you want to say about Laine, he scores.
-He only turns 26 in April.
-There have been rumours he's available in a trade. Columbus doesn't really need him that badly.
-Because of his contract and injury history, his cost will not be anywhere close to what a Zegras would be (I doubt Kyrou or Pettersson are close to being available and Necas if moved would have an eye-watering price tag). Montreal can move salary the other way too.

 

[Benstheman]

Oufff, even that I think is a stretch... I wouldn't mind future considerations to be honest for Allen so we just get rid of him and his salary for next season. That's another 4 million to play with

That's was for Allen 50% retained.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I would argue that tanev is actually equally effective at this point. His minutes, numbers and metrics have gone down significantly. Recently the flames moved him up the lineup to showcase him but he's not that much different than savard. Negligible at best, and I think the extra year with retention gives Savard the edge in value.

For me he would fit better on Vegas or Toronto. He's not useful to add to Colorado or Tampa. Coincidentally Vegas only has two full time NHL caliber RD at the moment. Their cupboards are empty though so picks are the only real thing to go for.

If we're using metrics as an argument, Tanev has good defensive metrics and Savard has some of the worst defensive metrics of any player in the NHL. Even if team play style plays a role, I can't imagine anyone would pick Savard over Tanev.

 

[HabsForHire]

Gally and something for PLD one mil retained and Turcotte. Dump our worst contract, buy low on PLD. PLD isn't amazing but is at least a long term top six player. Turcotte is another Newhook gamble.

Bergevin can convince Blake Gally is worth getting with tears in his eyes.

omg stop with PLD Noooo

 

[jrom]

BUF could use goalie vet to guide Devon Levi and some D who can move the puck. Even Barron would be an upgrade to Clifton/Jokiharju/Samuelsson. They have bunch of offensive prospects, so Mittelstadt could be realistic target.

They are more likely to move Krebs then their current point leader

 

[Andy]

I have this strange feeling that they might actually look at a Laine trade.

-They've talked about scoring and whatever you want to say about Laine, he scores.
-He only turns 26 in April.
-There have been rumours he's available in a trade. Columbus doesn't really need him that badly.
-Because of his contract and injury history, his cost will not be anywhere close to what a Zegras would be (I doubt Kyrou or Pettersson are close to being available and Necas if moved would have an eye-watering price tag). Montreal can move salary the other way too.

Laine seems to be unreliable in terms of effort, he also recently entered the player assistance program. It’s a lot of baggage to take on. He’d get a lot of media scrutiny because of his reputation

 

[sampollock]

because Allen sucks and even at 50% we wont get much i mean theres a reason hes still with us when Hughes has been trying to trade him all season

Savard on the other hand would be on demand and would return a 1st or 2nd + prospect

I am not sure of getting a prospect back for any of these guys. have been let down to many times

Gally and something for PLD one mil retained and Turcotte. Dump our worst contract, buy low on PLD. PLD isn't amazing but is at least a long term top six player. Turcotte is another Newhook gamble.

Bergevin can convince Blake Gally is worth getting with tears in his eyes.

great idea but no one wants Gally.... I will be soooo surprised if Gally gets moved. he his our anchor

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

They are more likely to move Krebs then their current point leader

Krebs won't get them anything of value. Maybe Allen for Krebs.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I am not sure of getting a prospect back for any of these guys. have been let down to many times

Hughes has been great with trades atleast so far