HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[The Great Weal]

If we get compensation ? Yeah, I would do it. The team needs experience down the middle. It needs to resolve the goaltending situation too.

I think the only reason why this trade won't happen is because the Avs are already very thing at center, and if they do acquire a center odds are Johansen is going back the other way.

I'm wondering, is Dallas rumored to be in on anyone this year at the TDL ?

I'm looking at their lineup and man, it's deep top to bottom. It has depth at center, wings, scoring, playmaking and size everyone.

What are they lacking exactly ? They've never rebuilt. They've knocked it out of the park with their drafting, but also their trades and FAs. The West is going to be a bloodbath this year. I kind of feel bad for McDavid and the Oilers.

I would look at upgrading the defense if I were them. Ryan Suter was a complete disaster last playoffs and relying on him to play 20 minutes a night again is a bad idea. I think it's the year to be greedy for them, especially with Duchene and Pavelski needing new contracts next year. They are my cup favorites right now.

 

[BoneHutson]

I think the only reason why this trade won't happen is because the Avs are already very thing at center, and if they do acquire a center odds are Johansen is going back the other way.

I would look at upgrading the defense if I were them. Ryan Suter was a complete disaster last playoffs and relying on him to play 20 minutes a night again is a bad idea.

Matheson would be a terrific fit for them imo. They could trade back Faksa to make the money work and they have some interesting assets to trade.

 

[Milhouse40]

Lets say Zegras cost the 7th overall in the next draft. One for one. Who make it?

I would do it…

We can only answer this when we'll be able to put a name on that pick,,,,,,

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Seems pretty clear that Caufield and Suzuki aren't looking forward to another year of the Habs dealing vets for picks.

My guess is concrete moves for established talents happens this off-season.

 

[The Great Weal]

Matheson would be a terrific fit for them imo. They could trade back Faksa to make the money work and they have some interesting assets to trade.

I don't see him being a great fit for them. He won't overtake Heiskanen/Harley on the PP and he shouldn't be on the PK. It would be a waste.

 

[EXPOS123]

Is New Jersey still struggling in net? They must be feeling all kinds of pressure to get in the playoffs.

What about Jake Allan + retention + either Calgary or Winnipeg’s first round pick ( whichever is the lower standing one) for Nico Hirschier?

 

[The Great Weal]

Is New Jersey still struggling in net? They must be feeling all kinds of pressure to get in the playoffs.

What about Jane Allan + retention + either Calgary or Winnipeg’s first round pick ( whichever is the lower standing one) for Nico Hirschier?

Lol come on man

 

[Bottle Rocket]

Two big losses tonight.

Toronto against NYI. If their GM stands pat, he truly has big cojones. But I predict a panic move like firing the coach or overpaying for a D or G. Can we profit? In any case, despair in Toronto is promising.

Avs against NYR. They just recalled their kid goalie, likely to play tomorrow in their back to back. If they do and he falters, they might want to look into a new backup. We would be ideally positioned with Allen, and we can take Johansen to open cap space if the price is right.

They would then be looking for a new 2C, which we don't have anymore. But we can perhaps facilitate the whole thing. Let's hope they fail tomorrow. They have prospects and some picks, like their next 3 firsts. Will they dare go all in?

 

[CAUFIELD]

Seems pretty clear that Caufield and Suzuki aren't looking forward to another year of the Habs dealing vets for picks.

My guess is concrete moves for established talents happens this off-season.

Caufield and Suzuki are well paid to do a job , which is playing high level hockey.

Hopefully, Hughes won’t do the same mistake Gainey did, which was paying top money to second and 3rd tier UFAs like Camalleri , Gionta, Mara and Gill

We can have a nice team for a decade if trades/ufa/ draft get well done in the next 2 years . I’m sure Caufield and Suzuki understand that and are ready to be patient

 

[Bottomshelf]

Is New Jersey still struggling in net? They must be feeling all kinds of pressure to get in the playoffs.

What about Jane Allan + retention + either Calgary or Winnipeg’s first round pick ( whichever is the lower standing one) for Nico Hirschier?

The only forwards that New Jersey will be looking to trade are ones that aren’t helping them win now, Holtz stands out as the odd one out to me

Two big losses tonight.

Toronto against NYI. If their GM stands pat, he truly has big cojones. But I predict a panic move like firing the coach or overpaying for a D or G. Can we profit? In any case, despair in Toronto is promising.

Avs against NYR. They just recalled their kid goalie, likely to play tomorrow in their back to back. If they do and he falters, they might want to look into a new backup. We would be ideally positioned with Allen, and we can take Johansen to open cap space if the price is right.

They would then be looking for a new 2C, which we don't have anymore. But we can perhaps facilitate the whole thing. Let's hope they fail tomorrow. They have prospects and some picks, like their next 3 firsts. Will they dare go all in?

Savard is the type of player they need, just don’t really know how the cap would work. Obviously they should look for a goalie but I can’t see Allen being the one they are looking for

 

[le_sean]

I'm wondering, is Dallas rumored to be in on anyone this year at the TDL ?

I'm looking at their lineup and man, it's deep top to bottom. It has depth at center, wings, scoring, playmaking and size everyone.

What are they lacking exactly ? They've never rebuilt. They've knocked it out of the park with their drafting, but also their trades and FAs. The West is going to be a bloodbath this year. I kind of feel bad for McDavid and the Oilers.

They need a defensive depth. Suter and Hakanpää just aren’t that good and you don’t want to get an injury and have to start Joel Hanley.

Savard for Faksa + futures could work. Similar cap hits with each having an extra year. Habs need a veteran centre.

 

[HuGort]

I would not be surprised to see them going after a guy like Hertl with some salary retained. I believe he could be a good complement to this team. One thing for sure is that replacing Mohanan with Dach is a slight upgrade but not enough to make a major difference.

I doubt it. If they trade for a guy be youth orientated

 

[Bottomshelf]

They really need play drivers, players who can carry the puck up ice and distribute or attack. Suzuki and Dach were really the only 2 play drivers that were evident. Players like Slaf might get there one day but we have a lot of players that need the puck off their stick as fast as they get it.

 

[themilosh]

Caufield and Suzuki are well paid to do a job , which is playing high level hockey.

Hopefully, Hughes won’t do the same mistake Gainey did, which was paying top money to second and 3rd tier UFAs like Camalleri , Gionta, Mara and Gill

We can have a nice team for a decade if trades/ufa/ draft get well done in the next 2 years . I’m sure Caufield and Suzuki understand that and are ready to be patient

Gainey was perfect as a GM right up until that fateful July day where he suddenly made us super small, paid crazy money to aging has been's.

 

[Miller Time]

Gainey was perfect as a GM right up until that fateful July day where he suddenly made us super small, paid crazy money to aging has been's.

I don't know about "perfect"... He terribly botched the Souray impending UFA, losing him for nothing right after getting Patches & Captain Kelowna for Rivet.

But certainly his mistakes pre '08 summer pale in comparison to that colossal, career tainting screw up.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Lets say Zegras cost the 7th overall in the next draft. One for one. Who make it?

I would do it…

Depends who's available.
If Celebrini, Eiserman, Demidov, and Lindstrom are gone, then I would strongly consider this trade.

If we're keeping the pick, we are for sure drafting a forward, so they will basically need to decide if they would prefer to have Helenius/Catton or Zegras.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Savard with 50% retained will likely return a 2nd round pick with maybe another conditional pick attached to it. Like 2nd round pick 2024 + 3rd round pick 2025/26 if the team reach the scf and Savard plays half the game. Something like that.

If Monahan, with no retention garnered us a 1st, I would suggest that Savard, with retention, should secure an equal, if not higher return.

Savard, who is built for any team that that hopes for (or expects) a long playoff run, will be a sought after commodity. And should a playoff bound team suffer an injury, all bets are off as to what this durable and experienced player can secure in return.

Most opposing general managers keenly remember the sequence when killing a penalty, Savard, with only one skate blade and injured , continued to block shots, sacrificing his body. That’s the type of player that helps you win in the playoffs. And that’s the type of player you pay more than a 2nd round choice in an effort to bolster your team.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Caufield and Suzuki are well paid to do a job , which is playing high level hockey.

Hopefully, Hughes won’t do the same mistake Gainey did, which was paying top money to second and 3rd tier UFAs like Camalleri , Gionta, Mara and Gill

We can have a nice team for a decade if trades/ufa/ draft get well done in the next 2 years . I’m sure Caufield and Suzuki understand that and are ready to be patient

That's all nice and well to say 'You're getting paid so shut up' but everyone with a lick of sense knows that this isn't how it works in any sports league so I'm not sure what to tell ya.

Both of their comments post-Monahan trade seem to rather point towards a 'much sooner than later' position and it's not surprising. It was already two years ago that Suzuki said something to the effect of 'I'm not here to sit around and lose for years on end'

 

[Egresch]

That's all nice and well to say 'You're getting paid so shut up' but everyone with a lick of sense knows that this isn't how it works in any sports league so I'm not sure what to tell ya.

Both of their comments post-Monahan trade seem to rather point towards a 'much sooner than later' position and it's not surprising. It was already two years ago that Suzuki said something to the effect of 'I'm not here to sit around and lose for years on end'

OK, but Suzuki is smart enough to see that within couple years, he will be a captain of very good team. He will be 27, entering his prime and he will have like 5 years to contend for the cup.
It is painful to lose such great character, but they understand it.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

OK, but Suzuki is smart enough to see that within couple years, he will be a captain of very good team. He will be 27, entering his prime and he will have like 5 years to contend for the cup.
It is painful to lose such great character, but they understand it.

I agree that the Monahan trade had to happen.

With that said, I don't think this off-season/next season where the Habs can afford to have another repeat of the last 2-3 years. Pretty sure you end up with one of these guys going 'What are we doing this again for?' at that point.

I know fans want to think of the NHL as a simulation but it's not. These guys were in the Cup finals three years ago. They're out there grinding daily but getting their teeth kicked in most of the time. They're competitors who are used to winning. That's how they got to the NHL. You can't do this forever.

My guess is the Habs make some moves that will have some fans crying but it's the realistic approach.

 

[DAChampion]

Hopefully, Hughes won’t do the same mistake Gainey did, which was paying top money to second and 3rd tier UFAs like Camalleri , Gionta, Mara and Gill

Cammalleri, Giontas, Mara, and Gill were paid their worth and not "high money".

 

[Egresch]

With that said, I don't think this off-season/next season where the Habs can afford to have another repeat of the last 2-3 years. Pretty sure you end up with one of these guys going 'What are we doing this again for?' at that point.

Absolutely, we need to see some progress next year. Nobody wants to end up stagnating like Buffalo or Ottawa. I just hope Dach stays healthy because that would improve our game significantly. I assume additional improvement for Slaf, Newhook, Roy and we should be out of bottom 10 next year.

 

[MXD]

With only one retention spot available for this season, three netminders on the roster and very little in terms of RHD, why the f*** are you guys entertaining dealing Savard before dealing Allen?

 

[Andy]

I think Zegras or Necas ends up a hab.

 

[MXD]

I personally really don't care for Zegras. Very redundant with Newhook.