HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Non Player Canadiens]

I would not be surprised to see them going after a guy like Hertl with some salary retained. I believe he could be a good complement to this team. One thing for sure is that replacing Mohanan with Dach is a slight upgrade but not enough to make a major difference.

Hertl is 30 years old. The core KH is building is in the 23-25 range, and that seems to deliberately be part of the plan. Not saying it won't happen, but just an observation.

 

[SwiftyHab]

That logic doesn't line up.

For one, Arpon's actual comment (which wasn't a report) was (in the context of Monahan being traded for futures):



That's not trading for a big name, its trading for someone who's more proven than a career high of 30 points in the NHL.

Agreed. But beyond proven he also says more competitive. Agree with your point, proven can mean more than 30 point guy. But what do you think comepetitve comes in at?

And if Hughes is uninterested in the UFA market, why would he be interested in a a guy who will be 31 next season and is on a long term contract. Better yet, why would Hertl be interested?

So in my interpretation of competitive, he’s going for a high end player like a Hertl because he’s got a cost controlled contract and the UFA market is not a great place for deals. As an agent, HuGo would know when players have the lost leverage.

I also didn't see any comparison to Buffalo or Ottawa (implied or otherwise) in Basu's article, which makes sense because both those teams have acquired a lot of veteran talent over the seasons and not wanting to be like Buffalo or Ottawa would imply not acquiring veterans.

Well, not in the competitive way. Both those teams have some veterans but the teams are not really that competitive. Or should’ve been more competitive than they are now. One of the things you can point to there is whether in their rebuild, they parachuted veterans into a striped down young team or whether they add more and more young players to a set of dwidnling veterans.

 

[SwiftyHab]

While it wasn’t a trade for proven forward talent, how did you like the Drysdale-Cutter Gauthier swap?

I like it for Anaheim better. Gauthier better prove himself to be a stud worthy of pulling a Lindros move like that.

 

[JianYang]

I don't believe we will move Savard. I may be wrong but I guess much depends on who gets moved before Savard and how that affects the market.

I agree with you. I'm just speculating on his market value.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Kyrou sounds like the profile of person they may target...wasn't there murmurs that St.Louis was looking to move him?

Their only cup winning coach was fired and he said *no comment* next game the fans booed him and he cried. Definitely not the profile for MTL. Not to mention the contract/cryogenic +/-

 

[GrandBison]

Any bad contract center we could get with the addition of a pick? Some teams will probably need some cap space at the deadline?

 

[Andy]

I'm looking at forwards 26 and younger that have put up more than .6 ppg this season and there aren't many that would be available anyway.

I know Hugo are trying to look for more proven scoring talent in a trade, I just don't see who they would get.

Elias Pettersson is really the only name that fits the bill if he doesn't sign in Van. Then there is Zegras.

Then there's Kyrou, Farabee. Mittelstadt, Necas, but I don't know if these folks would be available.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I'm looking at forwards 26 and younger that have put up more than .6 ppg this season and there aren't many that would be available anyway.

I know Hugo are trying to look for more proven scoring talent in a trade, I just don't see who they would get.

Elias Pettersson is really the only name that fits the bill if he doesn't sign in Van. Then there is Zegras.

Then there's Kyrou, Farabee. Mittelstadt, Necas, but I don't know if these folks would be available.

Keller as well

 

[Benstheman]

No. He was worth a first couple of years ago when he was better/younger. It's a 2nd at best today.


They likely would want help now. Outside of Matheson or Anderson retained we have nothing. And even Anderson not sure that helps. So that leaves Matheson.

I'm looking at forwards 26 and younger that have put up more than .6 ppg this season and there aren't many that would be available anyway.

I know Hugo are trying to look for more proven scoring talent in a trade, I just don't see who they would get.

Elias Pettersson is really the only name that fits the bill if he doesn't sign in Van. Then there is Zegras.

Then there's Kyrou, Farabee. Mittelstadt, Necas, but I don't know if these folks would be available.

As far as trading for a young player is concerned, my two reasonnable targets would be Mittelstadt and Kakko.

Both are RFA so they need new deals.

My frist choice would be Mittelstadt cause i think we need more proven talent to lessen the risk. Of course he would be more pricy (both in the trade and new contract) but i think we are there in terms of needs.

Kakko could be an interesting consolation prize.

For Mittelstadt, i would propose Winn's 1st + Calg's 1st + Barron and a cap dump (Dvorak/Armia) and sign him to a 8 years X 6,5-7M$ per contract.

Kakko, i would offer Barron + Winn's 1st/ Habs' 2025 2nd and sign him to a 2 years X 3,5M$ per contract.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

What are the teams that need what we have an excess of: up-and-coming defensemen and backup goalies, with buy-low forward opportunities?

 

[Andy]

I think Elias Pettersson is the real need. What are the chances he refuses to want to stay in Van?

And then what are the chances that he'd even want to come on a rebuilding team like the Habs.

 

[Nicko999]

Why would a rebuilding team jeopardize its rebuild by signing Pettersson?

The guy would be the best forward we had in 30 years but he is not gonna make us contenders all of the sudden.

You would be left with no 1st rounders for the next 4 years.

It would make sense to do something like that at the end of the rebuild not at the beginning.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Agreed. But beyond proven he also says more competitive. Agree with your point, proven can mean more than 30 point guy. But what do you think comepetitve comes in at?

So in my interpretation of competitive, he’s going for a high end player like a Hertl because he’s got a cost controlled contract and the UFA market is not a great place for deals. As an agent, HuGo would know when players have the lost leverage.



Well, not in the competitive way. Both those teams have some veterans but the teams are not really that competitive. Or should’ve been more competitive than they are now. One of the things you can point to there is whether in their rebuild, they parachuted veterans into a striped down young team or whether they add more and more young players to a set of dwidnling veterans.

Competitive comes in having more than two guys with 10 goals almost 2/3rds of they way through a season.

And lets put aside the NMC for a second, do really think Montreal can't get a 60ish point top-6 forward in their 30s for less than 8 mil AAV over 6 years? I like Hertl as a player, but the reason Montreal is where they're at right now is because they bet on veterans in their 30s with long term contracts. It is almost always a bad bet that blows up in your face. And Montreal wont benefit in the near term because he's not going to get them close to a playoff spot, let alone contention in the near term.

Its irrelevant if they parachuted veterans into a striped down young team or whether they add more and more young players to a set of dwindling veterans as it has nothing to do with their lack of success. Ottawa's struggles are because they don't have enough strong RD, they make poor bets on veteran goaltenders and injuries. Buffalo's is because they're relying on young goaltending and don't have enough defensive help.

Both those teams have clear established or near established core groups. Montreal doesn't. They're still trying to establish that, which is why Hughes wasn't sure Montreal was in a position to pay Monahan on his next contract. And why I don't think Hertl makes any sense for Montreal.

Montreal also makes no sense for Hertl, but that's a different (and more relevant) topic.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Competitive comes in having more than two guys with 10 goals almost 2/3rds of they way through a season.

And lets put aside the NMC for a second, do really think Montreal can't get a 60ish point top-6 forward in their 30s for less than 8 mil AAV over 6 years? I like Hertl as a player, but the reason Montreal is where they're at right now is because they bet on veterans in their 30s with long term contracts. It is almost always a bad bet that blows up in your face. And Montreal wont benefit in the near term because he's not going to get them close to a playoff spot, let alone contention in the near term.

Its irrelevant if they parachuted veterans into a striped down young team or whether they add more and more young players to a set of dwindling veterans as it has nothing to do with their lack of success. Ottawa's struggles are because they don't have enough strong RD, they make poor bets on veteran goaltenders and injuries. Buffalo's is because they're relying on young goaltending and don't have enough defensive help.

Both those teams have clear established or near established core groups. Montreal doesn't. They're still trying to establish that, which is why Hughes wasn't sure Montreal was in a position to pay Monahan on his next contract. And why I don't think Hertl makes any sense for Montreal.

Montreal also makes no sense for Hertl, but that's a different (and more relevant) topic.

good heated debate. Let’s see what happens.

 

[Runner77]

I like it for Anaheim better. Gauthier better prove himself to be a stud worthy of pulling a Lindros move like that.

Can you see the Habs do the same, dealing one of their Ds for forward help?

Gauthier only became available cause he left the Flyers no choice. Most NCAA draftees end up signing with the team that drafted them.

I’m wondering how many Gauthier talent-level or better types might be made available — seems to me that teams tend to hold on to offensive forwards as scoring is a highly sought attribute.

 

[Runner77]

Why would a rebuilding team jeopardize its rebuild by signing Pettersson?

The guy would be the best forward we had in 30 years but he is not gonna make us contenders all of the sudden.

You would be left with no 1st rounders for the next 4 years.

It would make sense to do something like that at the end of the rebuild not at the beginning.

On the other hand, the odds of landing a player with Pettersson’s offensive acumen in the next 4 years are slim to none.

if he can be had in a trade, they ought to aggressively pursue.

 

[McGees]

if they give up their top 10 pick it better involve an actual superstar coming back.
I don't really care if they ship out the other 1sts, players or prospect for generic top 6 talent....but not our 1st Kent.

 

[Runner77]

if they give up their top 10 pick it better involve an actual superstar coming back.
I don't really care if they ship out the other 1sts, players or prospect for generic top 6 talent....but not our 1st Kent.

All depending where it lands, package and throw a huge offer to get it done. If it’s a top 5 pick, that’s tough to give up on, though.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Why would a rebuilding team jeopardize its rebuild by signing Pettersson?

The guy would be the best forward we had in 30 years but he is not gonna make us contenders all of the sudden.

You would be left with no 1st rounders for the next 4 years.

It would make sense to do something like that at the end of the rebuild not at the beginning.

If Newhook and Dach are healthy next season Petterson would certainly make them a playoff contender. Probably not a Cup contender though unless some of the prospects develop quickly.

Kuznetsov is in the player assistance program. Do Caps give up or look for help?

 

[Draft]

Why would a rebuilding team jeopardize its rebuild by signing Pettersson?

The guy would be the best forward we had in 30 years but he is not gonna make us contenders all of the sudden.

You would be left with no 1st rounders for the next 4 years.

It would make sense to do something like that at the end of the rebuild not at the beginning.

Where do you think we are in the rebuild? Our current best players are entering their prime competitive years and our best prospects are on the cusp of contributing. If next year’s roster is healthy, it’s very unlikely that the Habs pick high again for quite some time - with or without Pettersson . If we aren’t looking to add elite assets now we might as well start over from scratch.

 

[sampollock]

Where do you think we are in the rebuild? Our current best players are entering their prime competitive years and our best prospects are on the cusp of contributing. If next year’s roster is healthy, it’s very unlikely that the Habs pick high again for quite some time - with or without Pettersson . If we aren’t looking to add elite assets now we might as well start over from scratch.

Ways to go yet.
Such a lack of scoring indicates needed help
Ways off to being done yet

 

[Nicko999]

Where do you think we are in the rebuild? Our current best players are entering their prime competitive years and our best prospects are on the cusp of contributing. If next year’s roster is healthy, it’s very unlikely that the Habs pick high again for quite some time - with or without Pettersson . If we aren’t looking to add elite assets now we might as well start over from scratch.

We are still in the early part of the rebuild. Closer to the middle than the beginning but still not halfway yet.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Can you see the Habs do the same, dealing one of their Ds for forward help?

Gauthier only became available cause he left the Flyers no choice. Most NCAA draftees end up signing with the team that drafted them.

I’m wondering how many Gauthier talent-level or better types might be made available — seems to me that teams tend to hold on to offensive forwards as scoring is a highly sought attribute.

Absolutely! The writing is on the wall. Too many young D coming up at the same time, and too many draft picks and not enough high-octane forwards. I think their preference is to get a young Gauthier-aged player, but If Basu is right, theyre also aggresively searching for a proven, high-octane player that makes them more competitive. I think you can start to narrow this down to a 22-30 year-old speedy 6'+ winger with an excellent shot.

 

[FerrisRox]

Colorado put one of their goalie on waivers today, maybe there’s something in the works like swapping Johansen and Allen with Habs getting some compensation for the extra cap hit. Probably won’t happen but one can dream…

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One can dream about taking on the boat anchor that is Ryan Johansen? No thanks.

 

[Team_Spirit]

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