HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

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To those saying “keep Savard we need vets”, remember that the Habs can always sign more vets in the off-season. There’s plenty available every season.

They could even trade a 7th for a vet to replace Savard until the end of the season.

Habs need to maximise their assets, not be sentimental.
We really only need to keep one of Matheson or Savard.

Next year:

Guhle-Matheson
Struble-Kova
Wifi-Barron
Harris (Reinbacher)

Looks bad. Is bad. Barron and Harris need a good look to help make decisions. Reinbacher could be ready by the end of the year after the TDL as well. Mailloux could be ready the season after.
 
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Tanev has been linked to half the teams in the league by now, even Ottawa. There's a lot of demand for a playoff warrior RD.
The rumored asking price is a 2nd and a prospect or a late 1st.

Once he's gone, teams will have to look at guys like Walker and Savard.
Remains to be seen if a team will offer enough for KH to consider trading him.
It's too bad Winnipeg doesn't need Savard. Would have been nice to get our 2nd back.
 
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Mesar & Beck will be in Laval next year. No need to rush them. Roy, Farrell, Heineman can also stay in Laval next year and keep developing with call ups here and there.

That list wasn't about next season.
If we acquire Holloway, then the expectation is that he will be a habs for several years. Within a few years, all the players in the list I posted will be in the nhl or auditioning for an nhl spot. Some won't get an opportunity because there are too many players.

Also, Holloway, Farrell, and Heineman are all in the same stage of development. There's no guarantee Holloway is any better than the other 2. It's very possible, we acquire Holloway, and then Farrell and Heineman outperform him in camp. What do you do with Holloway then? You can't send him down because he will require waivers.

Roy also seemed more nhl ready than the others. So that's another player that might force his way over Holloway.
 

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It's too bad Winnipeg doesn't need Savard. Would have been nice to get our 2nd back.
Would have been but still a weaponized bank of picks over the next two years:

2024 (12)

  • 1st Round (2): Montréal, Winnipeg
  • 2nd Round (1): Colorado
  • 3rd Round (2): Montréal, Minnesota
  • 4th Round (1): Montréal
  • 5th Round (2): Montréal, San Jose
  • 6th Round (1): Montréal
  • 7th Round (3): Montréal, Edmonton, Washington

2025 (11)

  • 1st Round (2): Montréal, Calgary
  • 2nd Round (2): Montréal, Pittsburgh
  • 3rd Round (2): Montréal, Vancouver
  • 4th Round (2): Montréal, Detroit
  • 5th Round (1): Montréal
  • 6th Round (1): Montréal
  • 7th Round (1): Montréal
 

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Would have been but still a weaponized bank of picks over the next two years:

2024 (12)

  • 1st Round (2): Montréal, Winnipeg
  • 2nd Round (1): Colorado
  • 3rd Round (2): Montréal, Minnesota
  • 4th Round (1): Montréal
  • 5th Round (2): Montréal, San Jose
  • 6th Round (1): Montréal
  • 7th Round (3): Montréal, Edmonton, Washington

2025 (11)

  • 1st Round (2): Montréal, Calgary
  • 2nd Round (2): Montréal, Pittsburgh
  • 3rd Round (2): Montréal, Vancouver
  • 4th Round (2): Montréal, Detroit
  • 5th Round (1): Montréal
  • 6th Round (1): Montréal
  • 7th Round (1): Montréal
seem KH will be busy packaging these up to get some scoring , hopefully
 
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From the Athletic today, Aaron Basu reporting that management wants to acquire, likely via trade some top-line proven talent.

“This is why no one should be surprised to see the Canadiens aggressively adding pieces this offseason, and it won’t necessarily be limited to Kirby Dach or Alex Newhook-style deals in which draft picks are traded for young, largely unproven talent. It could be talent that will help in the shorter term, because there appears to be a real desire from management to put players like Caufield in a competitive environment so he’s not answering questions about draft picks getting lockers for much longer.”

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From the Athletic today, Aaron Basu reporting that management wants to acquire, likely via trade some top-line proven talent.

“This is why no one should be surprised to see the Canadiens aggressively adding pieces this offseason, and it won’t necessarily be limited to Kirby Dach or Alex Newhook-style deals in which draft picks are traded for young, largely unproven talent. It could be talent that will help in the shorter term, because there appears to be a real desire from management to put players like Caufield in a competitive environment so he’s not answering questions about draft picks getting lockers for much longer.”

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I would not be surprised to see them going after a guy like Hertl with some salary retained. I believe he could be a good complement to this team. One thing for sure is that replacing Mohanan with Dach is a slight upgrade but not enough to make a major difference.
 

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From the Athletic today, Aaron Basu reporting that management wants to acquire, likely via trade some top-line proven talent.

“This is why no one should be surprised to see the Canadiens aggressively adding pieces this offseason, and it won’t necessarily be limited to Kirby Dach or Alex Newhook-style deals in which draft picks are traded for young, largely unproven talent. It could be talent that will help in the shorter term, because there appears to be a real desire from management to put players like Caufield in a competitive environment so he’s not answering questions about draft picks getting lockers for much longer.”

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Given that this will be the first offseason they can actually pursue UFAs, this is not surprising.
 
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From the Athletic today, Aaron Basu reporting that management wants to acquire, likely via trade some top-line proven talent.

“This is why no one should be surprised to see the Canadiens aggressively adding pieces this offseason, and it won’t necessarily be limited to Kirby Dach or Alex Newhook-style deals in which draft picks are traded for young, largely unproven talent. It could be talent that will help in the shorter term, because there appears to be a real desire from management to put players like Caufield in a competitive environment so he’s not answering questions about draft picks getting lockers for much longer.”

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in the words for Runner..click bait lol

but I like snippets like this, gives us something to talk about.

KH knows the scoring issues, he is on it
 

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I would not be surprised to see them going after a guy like Hertl with some salary retained. I believe he could be a good complement to this team. One thing for sure is that replacing Mohanan with Dach is a slight upgrade but not enough to make a major difference.
Don't know why the Sharks would use up a retained spot until 2030 unless it was a massive overpay. And hopefully Hughes is not going to overpay for a 30 year old.
 
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I would not be surprised to see them going after a guy like Hertl with some salary retained. I believe he could be a good complement to this team. One thing for sure is that replacing Mohanan with Dach is a slight upgrade but not enough to make a major difference.
Loved watching Hertl play us. He seemed like a faster meaner version of Monahan. He’d be great. Only problem is that 8 year contract that gets him from the spry young 30 year old today to the nhl version of a wheel-chair bound 38 year old retiree. I mean, I guess price’s ltir is off books in the later years, and the cap will go up.

I’d definetly be interested in bringing that power forward on board. Would give them Anderson and those 2 late picks
 
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Loved watching Hertl play us. He seemed like a faster meaner version of Monahan. He’d be great. Only problem is that 8 year contract that gets him from the spry young 30 year old today to the nhl version of a wheel-chair bound 38 year old retiree. I mean, I guess price’s ltir is off books in the later years, and the cap will go up.

I’d definetly be interested in bringing that power forward on board. Would give them Anderson and those 2 late picks
I hope HuGo doesn't trade the 2025 pick . No way to know what will happen next year. And hopefully if he trades the Jets pick before knowin where it will fall it better be for a younger player.

We will still have a lot of players next year so I don't really see us pursuing UFAs this year.
Didn't Hughes say he will not go after UFA's this year?
 

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We will still have a lot of players next year so I don't really see us pursuing UFAs this year.

If they're interested in trading for guys, they should be interested in signing a guy or two as well. Especially since this is likely a decent offseason to go after guys.
 

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Given that this will be the first offseason they can actually pursue UFAs, this is not surprising.
Weird thing about that is that when Hughes was on Antichambre a few weeks ago he said he won’t be pursuing UFAs till next year but if something jumps in his lap like a Panarin situation, he’d definetly consider that.

Arpon is reporting that they’re actively trying to pursue an experienced star player via trade this summer. And implied that management doesn’t want them to be like Buffalo and Ottawa, saying that management wants Suzuki and Caufield and others to be able to play in a competitive environment so that their spirits are down like they are now with Monahan gone and a first round pick occupying his empty stall (tongue in cheek).

The whole trading to get a big name this summer is the first time I hear of this. This is good news.

Hertl is definetly a Great name.
 

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No. He was worth a first couple of years ago when he was better/younger. It's a 2nd at best today.


They likely would want help now. Outside of Matheson or Anderson retained we have nothing. And even Anderson not sure that helps. So that leaves Matheson.
Yeah, i think Matheson makes sense for them. They need to replace the offence that Hamilton was bringing from the back end.
And they have plenty of cap space.

Maybe Holtz or their 1st could be available.
 
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Weird thing about that is that when Hughes was on Antichambre a few weeks ago he said he won’t be pursuing UFAs till next year but if something jumps in his lap like a Panarin situation, he’d definetly consider that.

Arpon is reporting that they’re actively trying to pursue an experienced star player via trade this summer. And implied that management doesn’t want them to be like Buffalo and Ottawa, saying that management wants Suzuki and Caufield and others to be able to play in a competitive environment so that their spirits are down like they are now with Monahan gone and a first round pick occupying his empty stall (tongue in cheek).

The whole trading to get a big name this summer is the first time I hear of this. This is good news.

Hertl is definetly a Great name.

That logic doesn't line up.

For one, Arpon's actual comment (which wasn't a report) was (in the context of Monahan being traded for futures):

This is why no one should be surprised to see the Canadiens aggressively adding pieces this offseason, and it won’t necessarily be limited to Kirby Dach or Alex Newhook-style deals in which draft picks are traded for young, largely unproven talent. It could be talent that will help in the shorter term, because there appears to be a real desire from management to put players like Caufield in a competitive environment so he’s not answering questions about draft picks getting lockers for much longer.

That's not trading for a big name, its trading for someone who's more proven than a career high of 30 points in the NHL.

And if Hughes is uninterested in the UFA market, why would he be interested in a a guy who will be 31 next season and is on a long term contract. Better yet, why would Hertl be interested?

I also didn't see any comparison to Buffalo or Ottawa (implied or otherwise) in Basu's article, which makes sense because both those teams have acquired a lot of veteran talent over the seasons and not wanting to be like Buffalo or Ottawa would imply not acquiring veterans.
 

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We will still have a lot of players next year so I don't really see us pursuing UFAs this year.
They’re moving out of their asset accumulation phase as per Hughes on AC a few weeks ago. If they can land a big fish, they’ll do it but why would a big time player commit now when the team may not yet be in a competitive phase?

Hughes is a major selling card as he’s shown he’ll go the extra mile to accommodate player requests and that he’ll keep his word. If a UFA changed his mind after signing, by way of example, he knows that Hughes is a safety net and that could provide a lot of reassurance.

Other key element is to heavily front load all future long term deals as it will facilitate trading to teams that can’t meet cap minimums or to favor future buyouts if needed.
 

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It's too bad Winnipeg doesn't need Savard. Would have been nice to get our 2nd back.
I still think Tampa may be a landing spot for Savard. Tampa likes to acquire cheap cap hits so retain on him (this year and next) Tampa does not mind overpaying to get what the need with a low cap hit.
That 2026 Tampa first would be a great pick up. I would gladly trade Savard 50% retained and a 3rd or 4th round pick to get that 1st rounder
 

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Loved watching Hertl play us. He seemed like a faster meaner version of Monahan. He’d be great. Only problem is that 8 year contract that gets him from the spry young 30 year old today to the nhl version of a wheel-chair bound 38 year old retiree. I mean, I guess price’s ltir is off books in the later years, and the cap will go up.

I’d definetly be interested in bringing that power forward on board. Would give them Anderson and those 2 late picks
Have to be a little concerned with Hertl who has already had 2 knee surgeries in his career other players who might be available in a trade are players having down years like Schenn and Meier.
 
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From the Athletic today, Aaron Basu reporting that management wants to acquire, likely via trade some top-line proven talent.

“This is why no one should be surprised to see the Canadiens aggressively adding pieces this offseason, and it won’t necessarily be limited to Kirby Dach or Alex Newhook-style deals in which draft picks are traded for young, largely unproven talent. It could be talent that will help in the shorter term, because there appears to be a real desire from management to put players like Caufield in a competitive environment so he’s not answering questions about draft picks getting lockers for much longer.”

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While it wasn’t a trade for proven forward talent, how did you like the Drysdale-Cutter Gauthier swap?
 

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I think Savard might be attractive but the return would not be as good as Monahan, and that extra year might be a problem as well even though his cap hit is reasonable.

Other than that, yeah, I don't see much that can bring an interesting return.

Allen might go to bring an end to this 3 goalie carousel, but that would just be a giveaway with nothing to get excited about as a return.
I don't believe we will move Savard. I may be wrong but I guess much depends on who gets moved before Savard and how that affects the market.
 
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