HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[DAChampion]

I think I'd prefer a 1st to either of Holloway or Bourgeault.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

I'd be ok with trading for PLD+ if it were just Gallagher going the other way

Absolutely not a chance! I don't want him anywhere close to our young developing players. That guy has red flags everywhere. I'd rather take a shot at Zegras than PLD who has already now done 3 organizations.

I think I'd prefer a 1st to either of Holloway or Bourgeault.

Same here, but only if that 1st is used for a trade

 

[Deus ex machina]

There's 9 spots for these 12 players:
Suzuki
Caufield
Dach
Elite forward acquired by trade
Slafkovsky
Newhook
Roy
Beck
Farrell
Heineman
Mesar
Our top pick this year

Most of these players are already in the nhl or very close to it. There's too many top 9 players. Adding Holloway means that 4 of the players on that list won't have a top 9 spot, and will likely be traded/given up on. So adding a non-elite forward is a bit unceasary right now. Its better to see what you have with guys like Farrell, Heineman, Beck, etc. then use assets to acquire Holloway.

I get what you're saying. They have plenty of B prospects.
But they are not sure things. Otherwise, once they find their elite top 6 player, rebuild would be over, right?

And, other than Heineman, they're all small-ish.
Beck is not a sure thing as 3C. He might end up 4C or AHLer.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

That begs for a poll.

That's what she texted because she couldn't differentiate between pole and poll

 

[BLONG7]

Some guys think maybe the Avs are interested in Allen??
Anyone else read or hearing this?

 

[Goalfield13]

What should we do with the Flames' conditional pick next year? The most likely scenario is that we get Florida's 2025 pick with Calgary selling off assets now (they should have a top 10 pick, leaving us with Florida's late 1st). Should we bundle this pick with the Jets' pick to get a player or move up in this year's draft?

 

[Benstheman]

Who's next?

Allen??
Pearson??
Savard??
Kovacevic??
Harris??
Anderson??

Maybe Allen but we definately get a short term cap dump in return + 2nd/3rd pick. I might be off though.

Pearson : no interest in the leaugue i'm pretty sure about that.

Savard : If a team pay big, we might see him go before this year's TDL.

Kovacevic for late round pick.

Harris : not a deadline move.

Anderson : not a deadline move and probably not a move at all.

So all in all to answer your question : Probably Allen and Kovacevic

 

[Benstheman]

I don't really care if we end up trading Allen, Primeau, Pearson etc for a few 6th round picks.
I want to trade players we can get a RETURN with.
Savard with retention for a 1st is my wish for this deadline.

That's the only deal we can make that'd get us something interesting.

But a late first is not sufficient to pry Savard away from the team for two years, at a big discount.

You only move him for a solid prospect and a pick.

The deal i can see happenning is with Edmonton :

Savard (50% retained)
for
Ceci
Holloway
2026 1st

 

[JRichard]

Hard pass on Zegras.

Prefer to take a stab at Kyrou in St-Louis.

Package of Anderson (50%) + Matheson (100%) + CAL 1st rounder in 2025.

St-Louis gets an extra first round pick and two legitimate pieces to help them stay All IN and exploit their current Cup window.

Montreal makes sure to move up at the 2024 draft if need be. We're never going to succeed in moving up for Celebrini, but, our 1st rounder in 2024, WIN's first rounder in 2024 and our 2nd rounder in 2025, or a D prospect like Barron,shoulf get us in Lindstrom territory.

Lindstrom (30) - Dach (15-20) - Kyrou (30)/Slafkovsky (15-20)
Caufield (35) - Suzuki (25) - Slafkovsky (15-20)/Kyrou (30)
Newhook (15-20) - Beck (15-20) - Roy (20-25)

Awesome top-9, IMO.

Primary goal-scoring from Caufield, Lindstrom, Kyrou and Suzuki, and solid secondary scoring from the Beck line.

Kyrou???
How would you feel about getting such a « legitimate » return for Suzuki? Because of a cup « window » when they might not even get in…
Losing Kyrou and replacing him with Anderson sure helps them a whole lot Short term.

 

[Egresch]

There's 9 spots for these 12 players:
Suzuki
Caufield
Dach
Elite forward acquired by trade
Slafkovsky
Newhook
Roy
Beck
Farrell
Heineman
Mesar
Our top pick this year

I think you need to divide those players into several levels.

Players who proved at NHL level that they have top 6 potential:
- Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Slafkovsky
Players who are yet to prove they can play top 6 in NHL:
- Newhook, Roy
Beck and Mesar are still in juniors, specifically for Beck 3C could be his ceiling. Heineman (as well as Ylonen) should be fine as 3W, Farrell I am not sure, I would not put him into this group at all.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

What should we do with the Flames' conditional pick next year? The most likely scenario is that we get Florida's 2025 pick with Calgary selling off assets now (they should have a top 10 pick, leaving us with Florida's late 1st). Should we bundle this pick with the Jets' pick to get a player or move up in this year's draft?

yes we have enough depth its time to move up or trade for some young offensive talent

 

[Deebs]

yes we have enough depth its time to move up or trade for some young offensive talent

I agree. Use multiple picks and/or prospects and snag a legitimate player if possible. No more reclamation projects.

 

[HabsForHire]

No idea why we’d want Zegras, but I guess he’s the new flavour of the month here.

He’s okay, but he’s not what we need to build this team moving forward, and the cost would be prohibitive to boot. You don’t give up first round picks in a rebuild, unless you’re certain the guy coming back is an improvement that moves the needle dramatically. I don’t think he’s dominant enough offensively to mask his defensive deficiencies and with our current roster and make up of players - I doubt having another soft/one dimensional player is conducive to short or long term success.

We do need an upgrade on the wing, but I’d prefer someone with some size that could contribute at both ends of the rink, while not shying away from physical play.

My target would be Holloway in Edmonton. He’s not nearly as proven as Zegras, but he also would cost much much less. He’s got size at 6’1, 205 lbs, he can absolutely fly, has a high draft pedigree (drafted 14 overall in 2020) and while he’s had some bad luck with an injury this last year, he’s absolutely tore up the AHL in his time there. He’s not going to displace any of the big guns in Edmonton so I’d bet on him as a buy low, return big option.

With Edmonton being in a “win now” mode, McDavid and Draisaitl’s contract windows closing quickly, and Vancouver and Winnipeg already making big moves to load up, I’d try to extract Holloway. Edmonton could use a veteran right hand shot defenseman and back up goalie to make a run I’d propose:

To Edmonton: David Savard (50 percent retained by Montreal), Jake Allen (50 percent retained by San Jose).

To Montreal: Dylan Holloway, 2024 conditional 2nd round pick (Oilers)*
*condition is it becomes a 1st if they win the cup.

To San Jose: Montreal Canadiens 3rd round pick 2024 (acquired from Minnesota Wild).

Oilers can fit Savard and Allen, if both are 50% retained, which would bolster their lineup without losing a full time roster player. Savard can either slide on to a pairing with Nurse, which would move Ceci down with Kulak, or he could play with Kulak and bump Desharnais. While Allen gives them a veteran backup if anything should happen to Skinner.

Habs get a young prospect that can play Center or the wing and eliminate the 3 goalie rotation, while the Sharks get a 3rd rounder for acting as brokers.

The Habs then continue to plummet into the standings and end up picking both Cayden Lindstrom and Tij Iginla in the first round at the draft.

Habs lineup for 2024-2025:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Roy - Dach - Newhook
Holloway - Lindstrom - Anderson
Pezzetta - Evans - Armia
Harvey-Pinard

Matheson - Guhle
Struble - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Kovacevic

Montembeault
Primeau

drafting lindstrom and playing him right away ? ya that usually works well for us

 

[YukonCornelius 5thOA]

What should we do with the Flames' conditional pick next year? The most likely scenario is that we get Florida's 2025 pick with Calgary selling off assets now (they should have a top 10 pick, leaving us with Florida's late 1st). Should we bundle this pick with the Jets' pick to get a player or move up in this year's draft?

Don't consider moving it until it's a known quantity. Treat it like Monahan and hope the gamble pays off. It still could be an 11-12 pick, anything is possible, if unlikely, but still worth waiting to see IMO.

 

[sampollock]

Cause @sampollock has yet to see it on a clickbait site.

Give it time.

there is clickbait on this...posters above suggesting lol

then we all click on that and agree or disagree

I can't see any team taking Gally. Hope I am wrong, but I feel I am right on this. He is useless

 

[Benstheman]

Don't consider moving it until it's a known quantity. Treat it like Monahan and hope the gamble pays off. It still could be an 11-12 pick, anything is possible, if unlikely, but still worth waiting to see IMO.

Winnipeg's 1st and Av's 2nd are absolutely in play, probably one of Harris or Jackeye (hope not personally). But Calgary's 1st not right now because the value is still uncertain. Just like Habs 2025 1st.

 

[sampollock]

With Sean gone, the centre position sucks so bad. Going to be a long 30 games for us and more so for Nick S

 

[Scotianhab]

There's 9 spots for these 12 players:
Suzuki
Caufield
Dach
Elite forward acquired by trade
Slafkovsky
Newhook
Roy
Beck
Farrell
Heineman
Mesar
Our top pick this year

Most of these players are already in the nhl or very close to it. There's too many top 9 players. Adding Holloway means that 4 of the players on that list won't have a top 9 spot, and will likely be traded/given up on. So adding a non-elite forward is a bit unceasary right now. Its better to see what you have with guys like Farrell, Heineman, Beck, etc. then use assets to acquire Holloway.

Mesar & Beck will be in Laval next year. No need to rush them. Roy, Farrell, Heineman can also stay in Laval next year and keep developing with call ups here and there.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I agree. Use multiple picks and/or prospects and snag a legitimate player if possible. No more reclamation projects.

You aren't getting a legitimate young player for draft picks unless MB gets a GM job. Even if a player like Zegras is available the Ducks will want a player as the major piece coming back.

 

[Deus ex machina]

there is clickbait on this...posters above suggesting lol

then we all click on that and agree or disagree

I can't see any team taking Gally. Hope I am wrong, but I feel I am right on this. He is useless

Oilers wouldn't take him because he's useful.
It's to get rid of Campbell. Mainly his cap hit this year.

I thought it was clear.

 

[Deebs]

You aren't getting a legitimate young player for draft picks unless MB gets a GM job. Even if a player like Zegras is available the Ducks will want a player as the major piece coming back.

Like I said, picks and/or prospects....it's time to make a real move and get this team going.

 

[Kosseca]

With Sean gone, the centre position sucks so bad. Going to be a long 30 games for us and more so for Nick S

imagine if Suzuki get injured ....

 

[sampollock]

imagine if Suzuki get injured ....

#1 OVER ALL PICK LOL

 

[LaP]

Mesar & Beck will be in Laval next year. No need to rush them. Roy, Farrell, Heineman can also stay in Laval next year and keep developing with call ups here and there.

That's already too many. Ideally you want two vets in the top 6 so one of those guys will play on the 3rd line which is not ideal. Having Roy in the NHL next year would not be rushing him as he'll have a complete year of AHL experience.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

now im hoping we trade Savard @ 50 % for another 1st

then package both those firsts and move up to hopefully draft Iginla

leaving next draft with Demidov/Lindstrom + Iginla would be huge for our offense moving forward