HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Habs13]

That begs for a poll.

Fingers crossed. All of the above.

 

[Deus ex machina]

No idea why we’d want Zegras, but I guess he’s the new flavour of the month here.

He’s okay, but he’s not what we need to build this team moving forward, and the cost would be prohibitive to boot. You don’t give up first round picks in a rebuild, unless you’re certain the guy coming back is an improvement that moves the needle dramatically. I don’t think he’s dominant enough offensively to mask his defensive deficiencies and with our current roster and make up of players - I doubt having another soft/one dimensional player is conducive to short or long term success.

We do need an upgrade on the wing, but I’d prefer someone with some size that could contribute at both ends of the rink, while not shying away from physical play.

My target would be Holloway in Edmonton. He’s not nearly as proven as Zegras, but he also would cost much much less. He’s got size at 6’1, 205 lbs, he can absolutely fly, has a high draft pedigree (drafted 14 overall in 2020) and while he’s had some bad luck with an injury this last year, he’s absolutely tore up the AHL in his time there. He’s not going to displace any of the big guns in Edmonton so I’d bet on him as a buy low, return big option.

With Edmonton being in a “win now” mode, McDavid and Draisaitl’s contract windows closing quickly, and Vancouver and Winnipeg already making big moves to load up, I’d try to extract Holloway. Edmonton could use a veteran right hand shot defenseman and back up goalie to make a run I’d propose:

To Edmonton: David Savard (50 percent retained by Montreal), Jake Allen (50 percent retained by San Jose).

To Montreal: Dylan Holloway, 2024 conditional 2nd round pick (Oilers)*
*condition is it becomes a 1st if they win the cup.

To San Jose: Montreal Canadiens 3rd round pick 2024 (acquired from Minnesota Wild).

Oilers can fit Savard and Allen, if both are 50% retained, which would bolster their lineup without losing a full time roster player. Savard can either slide on to a pairing with Nurse, which would move Ceci down with Kulak, or he could play with Kulak and bump Desharnais. While Allen gives them a veteran backup if anything should happen to Skinner.

Habs get a young prospect that can play Center or the wing and eliminate the 3 goalie rotation, while the Sharks get a 3rd rounder for acting as brokers.

The Habs then continue to plummet into the standings and end up picking both Cayden Lindstrom and Tij Iginla in the first round at the draft.

Habs lineup for 2024-2025:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Roy - Dach - Newhook
Holloway - Lindstrom - Anderson
Pezzetta - Evans - Armia
Harvey-Pinard

Matheson - Guhle
Struble - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Kovacevic

Montembeault
Primeau

Holloway would be a nice addition.

I'm pretty sure the Oilers don't have the cap space to add both Savard and Allen, even at 50%.
Finding a 3rd team to retain 50% on a 2 year deal will be difficult anyway, i imagine.

From what i've read, they'd like to add a top 6 F, a 4C and upgrade and/or add depth to their D.
Adding Savard would adress one problem.

The rumor is they want to trade Kulak to clear cap space, but he has 3 years left on his deal, so that won't be easy.

The obvious solution for them would be to get rid of Jack Campbell, but i don't think they're willing to give up assets to make that happen.

I still think that the Habs taking on Campbell now and sending back Gallagher in the summer is a good idea. Provided that both players waive their NTC/NMC.
The Oilers would save 5M of cap space this season, and the Habs would save 1.5M for the next 3 seasons.
If the Oilers really want to go for it this season, that seems like a win/win to me.

But if i'm the Habs, i only do this deal if Holloway is included.

To EDM: Savard (50% retained) and future considerations (Gallagher, after the season)

To MTL: Holloway and Campbell

Oilers also clear about 3M of cap space more to make other additions.

More pieces could be added to the deal, like Ceci, Allen, Evans, Kovacevic/Barron/Harris and picks.

 

[JustAHabFan]

If Nic Dowd at 50% goes for a 1st, we absolutely need to do the same with Evans.

Nic Dowd at 50% for a 1st? It's impossible. If the trade went down then there are quite a few desperate GMs.

 

[Scriptor]

CGY 1st, WPG 1st, + one of Harris/Barron for Zegras

Roll out

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky/Zegras
Newhook - Dach - Slafkovsky/Zegras

next year

Hard pass on Zegras.

Prefer to take a stab at Kyrou in St-Louis.

Package of Anderson (50%) + Matheson (100%) + CAL 1st rounder in 2025.

St-Louis gets an extra first round pick and two legitimate pieces to help them stay All IN and exploit their current Cup window.

Montreal makes sure to move up at the 2024 draft if need be. We're never going to succeed in moving up for Celebrini, but, our 1st rounder in 2024, WIN's first rounder in 2024 and our 2nd rounder in 2025, or a D prospect like Barron,shoulf get us in Lindstrom territory.

Lindstrom (30) - Dach (15-20) - Kyrou (30)/Slafkovsky (15-20)
Caufield (35) - Suzuki (25) - Slafkovsky (15-20)/Kyrou (30)
Newhook (15-20) - Beck (15-20) - Roy (20-25)

Awesome top-9, IMO.

Primary goal-scoring from Caufield, Lindstrom, Kyrou and Suzuki, and solid secondary scoring from the Beck line.

 

[sampollock]

Holloway would be a nice addition.

I'm pretty sure the Oilers don't have the cap space to add both Savard and Allen, even at 50%.
Finding a 3rd team to retain 50% on a 2 year deal will be difficult anyway, i imagine.

From what i've read, they'd like to add a top 6 F, a 4C and upgrade and/or add depth to their D.
Adding Savard would adress one problem.

The rumor is they want to trade Kulak to clear cap space, but he has 3 years left on his deal, so that won't be easy.

The obvious solution for them would be to get rid of Jack Campbell, but i don't think they're willing to give up assets to make that happen.

I still think that the Habs taking on Campbell now and sending back Gallagher in the summer is a good idea. Provided that both players waive their NTC/NMC.
The Oilers would save 5M of cap space this season, and the Habs would save 1.5M for the next 3 seasons.
If the Oilers really want to go for it this season, that seems like a win/win to me.

But if i'm the Habs, i only do this deal if Holloway is included.

To EDM: Savard (50% retained) and future considerations (Gallagher, after the season)

To MTL: Holloway and Campbell

Oilers also clear about 3M of cap space more to make other additions.

More pieces could be added to the deal, like Ceci, Allen, Evans, Kovacevic/Barron/Harris and picks.

No way Gally is part of any deal
Don't think

 

[Deus ex machina]

No way Gally is part of any deal
Don't think

Why not?

 

[McGees]

I don't really care if we end up trading Allen, Primeau, Pearson etc for a few 6th round picks.
I want to trade players we can get a RETURN with.
Savard with retention for a 1st is my wish for this deadline.

 

[Runner77]

Why not?

Cause @sampollock has yet to see it on a clickbait site.

Give it time.

 

[jrom]

Who's next?

Allen??
Pearson??
Savard??
Kovacevic??
Harris??
Anderson??

I just don't see a team grabbing Allen at his cap hit + 1 season AND giving us anything meaningful in return especially if we don't want to retain for 2 years.

I wouldn't exclude Primeau from the list of potential trade targets, it's more an off-season trade but who knows. Having Monty as clear 1st and Allen as backup till 2025 would be a nice stability in net while the rest of the team fluctuates a lot.

Beyond that I think our best asset is cap space i.e. getting picks for taking on cap dumps. Maybe we'll get a 6-7th rounder for Pearson but I don't see any team wanting those players (Savard next year would be different).

I think we will be active at the Draft, this year will be a really good one to potentially use picks to go up in the draft order. Habs are gonna target 2-3 forwards so if you need to use that Winnipeg 1st rounder to move up 1-2 ranks to make sure to grab a Demidov, you do it.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Holloway would be a nice addition.

I'm pretty sure the Oilers don't have the cap space to add both Savard and Allen, even at 50%.
Finding a 3rd team to retain 50% on a 2 year deal will be difficult anyway, i imagine.

Yes and No.

The cap works, I tweaked it slightly and ran it through the trade machine at the “cap friendly” site for it to be processed on trade deadline day. I don’t know if it’s enough for San Jose to use their retention spot.

To Edmonton: David Savard (50 percent retained by Montreal), Jake Allen (50 percent retained by San Jose).

To Montreal: Dylan Holloway, 2025 conditional 2nd round pick (Oilers)*
*condition is it becomes a 1st if they win the cup in 2023.

To San Jose: Montreal Canadiens 3rd round pick 2024 (acquired from Minnesota Wild), Montreal Canadiens 5th round pick (acquired from San Jose), Calvin Pickard.

Oilers would then have both Savard and Allen for another year, both making less than 2 million dollars. They add two cup winning vets that shore up areas of concern, without giving up an every day roster player.

Sharks get two free picks for spending less than 2 million bucks.

Habs get a prospect they’re hoping will improve dramatically with more opportunity, while buying a lottery ticket on a potential first down the road.

I think it’s pretty close to fair value for all teams. Everyone is taking some risk and everyone is getting some reward.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I don't really care if we end up trading Allen, Primeau, Pearson etc for a few 6th round picks.
I want to trade players we can get a RETURN with.
Savard with retention for a 1st is my wish for this deadline.

2 Cup runs with Savard at $1.75M should get us a first plus either a second or a B+ prospect.

 

[Pat Riot]

Yes and No.

The cap works, I tweaked it slightly and ran it through the trade machine at the “cap friendly” site for it to be processed on trade deadline day. I don’t know if it’s enough for San Jose to use their retention spot.

To Edmonton: David Savard (50 percent retained by Montreal), Jake Allen (50 percent retained by San Jose).

To Montreal: Dylan Holloway, 2025 conditional 2nd round pick (Oilers)*
*condition is it becomes a 1st if they win the cup in 2023.

To San Jose: Montreal Canadiens 3rd round pick 2024 (acquired from Minnesota Wild), Montreal Canadiens 5th round pick (acquired from San Jose), Calvin Pickard.

Oilers would then have both Savard and Allen for another year, both making less than 2 million dollars. They add two cup winning vets that shore up areas of concern, without giving up an every day roster player.

Sharks get two free picks for spending less than 2 million bucks.

Habs get a prospect they’re hoping will improve dramatically with more opportunity, while buying a lottery ticket on a potential first down the road.

I think it’s pretty close to fair value for all teams. Everyone is taking some risk and everyone is getting some reward.

Seems like a steep price to pay for an owner. 2 millions for a 3rd and 5th round

 

[Rapala]

The Habs annual firesale is on. Armia, Allen, Pearson, Wideman, Gallagher...we got it all, at a discount too. And if you want top quality or better, Anderson, Dvorak and Savard are available too for a little extra. Can't reach the cap floor, no problem, Price won't let you down.

And that my friends is why I consider our TDL is already over.
I just don't see anything significant coming back for any of those players.

 

[John B]

Seen a proposal involving Savard and the Oilers come across my facebook feed.

David Savard and 4th rounder for Cody Ceci, Xavier Bourgeault, and a 2nd rounder.

I don't think there was any retention on either of them, but it was about a month ago that I saw it and I'm going on memory here. It was just a click bait site, but didn't seem bad. Even Habs retained 50%.

 

[HuGort]

Yes and No.

The cap works, I tweaked it slightly and ran it through the trade machine at the “cap friendly” site for it to be processed on trade deadline day. I don’t know if it’s enough for San Jose to use their retention spot.

To Edmonton: David Savard (50 percent retained by Montreal), Jake Allen (50 percent retained by San Jose).

To Montreal: Dylan Holloway, 2025 conditional 2nd round pick (Oilers)*
*condition is it becomes a 1st if they win the cup in 2023.

To San Jose: Montreal Canadiens 3rd round pick 2024 (acquired from Minnesota Wild), Montreal Canadiens 5th round pick (acquired from San Jose), Calvin Pickard.

Oilers would then have both Savard and Allen for another year, both making less than 2 million dollars. They add two cup winning vets that shore up areas of concern, without giving up an every day roster player.

Sharks get two free picks for spending less than 2 million bucks.

Habs get a prospect they’re hoping will improve dramatically with more opportunity, while buying a lottery ticket on a potential first down the road.

I think it’s pretty close to fair value for all teams. Everyone is taking some risk and everyone is getting some reward.

That trade sucks, we give up Savard 50% retain, Allen, for 30th pick in weak draft.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Yes and No.

The cap works, I tweaked it slightly and ran it through the trade machine at the “cap friendly” site for it to be processed on trade deadline day. I don’t know if it’s enough for San Jose to use their retention spot.

To Edmonton: David Savard (50 percent retained by Montreal), Jake Allen (50 percent retained by San Jose).

To Montreal: Dylan Holloway, 2025 conditional 2nd round pick (Oilers)*
*condition is it becomes a 1st if they win the cup in 2023.

To San Jose: Montreal Canadiens 3rd round pick 2024 (acquired from Minnesota Wild), Montreal Canadiens 5th round pick (acquired from San Jose), Calvin Pickard.

Oilers would then have both Savard and Allen for another year, both making less than 2 million dollars. They add two cup winning vets that shore up areas of concern, without giving up an every day roster player.

Sharks get two free picks for spending less than 2 million bucks.

Habs get a prospect they’re hoping will improve dramatically with more opportunity, while buying a lottery ticket on a potential first down the road.

I think it’s pretty close to fair value for all teams. Everyone is taking some risk and everyone is getting some reward.

I think the Oilers would need to stay at 6 Ds on their roster and not have any short term injury until the TDL for that to work.
Not impossible, but not likely.

And they seem to want to add a top 6 forward. Names like Guentzel and Eberle are mentioned. Guys in the 6M range.
They'll probably want to keep some cap space for that.

But i'm with you. The Habs should target Holloway.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

The habs need to add an elite or potential elite offensive player. Holloway is not that.

 

[Deus ex machina]

The habs need to add an elite or potential elite offensive player. Holloway is not that.

Can't they add both?

They still have more than one forward position to fill.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Can't they add both?

They still have more than one forward position to fill.

There's 9 spots for these 12 players:
Suzuki
Caufield
Dach
Elite forward acquired by trade
Slafkovsky
Newhook
Roy
Beck
Farrell
Heineman
Mesar
Our top pick this year

Most of these players are already in the nhl or very close to it. There's too many top 9 players. Adding Holloway means that 4 of the players on that list won't have a top 9 spot, and will likely be traded/given up on. So adding a non-elite forward is a bit unceasary right now. Its better to see what you have with guys like Farrell, Heineman, Beck, etc. then use assets to acquire Holloway.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Seen a proposal involving Savard and the Oilers come across my facebook feed.

David Savard and 4th rounder for Cody Ceci, Xavier Bourgeault, and a 2nd rounder.

I don't think there was any retention on either of them, but it was about a month ago that I saw it and I'm going on memory here. It was just a click bait site, but didn't seem bad. Even Habs retained 50%.

Facebook.....really? That should have been your 1st clue that this is an incredibly dumb proposal.

 

[HuGort]

I'd like to draft Lindstrom or Demidov. Sign a vet, somebody like Kane. Trade a defenseman for young forward, somebody like Peterka.

I think we would make playoffs next season if we did.

 

[John B]

Facebook.....really? That should have been your 1st clue that this is an incredibly dumb proposal.

lol. There is a lot of dumb ones on there. Tons of click bait.

 

[Scriptor]

I just don't see a team grabbing Allen at his cap hit + 1 season AND giving us anything meaningful in return especially if we don't want to retain for 2 years.

I wouldn't exclude Primeau from the list of potential trade targets, it's more an off-season trade but who knows. Having Monty as clear 1st and Allen as backup till 2025 would be a nice stability in net while the rest of the team fluctuates a lot.

Beyond that I think our best asset is cap space i.e. getting picks for taking on cap dumps. Maybe we'll get a 6-7th rounder for Pearson but I don't see any team wanting those players (Savard next year would be different).

I think we will be active at the Draft, this year will be a really good one to potentially use picks to go up in the draft order. Habs are gonna target 2-3 forwards so if you need to use that Winnipeg 1st rounder to move up 1-2 ranks to make sure to grab a Demidov, you do it.

I agree with the principle, only, we all have our preferences. Depending on where we land at the draft (post lottery -- and I don't believe in counting on the lottery),I think we might need to move up a spot or two to land Cayden Lindstrom who, as skilled beef who can score, would be my most likely target.

Barring that, if Eiserman falls within our reach, he would be my target.

A PP of Caufield - Dach - Eiserman - Suzuki - Hutson, one day, would be a handful to stop, with three legitimate snipers, and two playmakers...

 

[General Fanager]

Saying he is worth every penny suggests that he is worth every penny. If you say it,doesn't make it true and if you believe that,you're cute too.

In the right context he is.

In terms of point production of course not and thats what I said in my first post. However when it comes to being a leader and showing the young guys how to be a pro he is.

Its worth it because he will teach those lessons to the young core and when his deal is up it will be on them to teach the younger ones.....

its expensive but since they have the room and arent contenders yet the cap hit makes almost no difference....

 

[Weltschmerz]

Yes and No.

The cap works, I tweaked it slightly and ran it through the trade machine at the “cap friendly” site for it to be processed on trade deadline day. I don’t know if it’s enough for San Jose to use their retention spot.

To Edmonton: David Savard (50 percent retained by Montreal), Jake Allen (50 percent retained by San Jose).

To Montreal: Dylan Holloway, 2025 conditional 2nd round pick (Oilers)*
*condition is it becomes a 1st if they win the cup in 2023.

To San Jose: Montreal Canadiens 3rd round pick 2024 (acquired from Minnesota Wild), Montreal Canadiens 5th round pick (acquired from San Jose), Calvin Pickard.

Oilers would then have both Savard and Allen for another year, both making less than 2 million dollars. They add two cup winning vets that shore up areas of concern, without giving up an every day roster player.

Sharks get two free picks for spending less than 2 million bucks.

Habs get a prospect they’re hoping will improve dramatically with more opportunity, while buying a lottery ticket on a potential first down the road.

I think it’s pretty close to fair value for all teams. Everyone is taking some risk and everyone is getting some reward.

San Jose has already 2 retention spots in longterm use for Burns and Karlsson, you will probably have to find another team to retain, can't see them adding another 2 year blocker and having no spots to retain on their own guys for 2 seasons.