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If Nic Dowd at 50% goes for a 1st, we absolutely need to do the same with Evans.
HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season
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Assuming Flames miss POs again & ship out Tanev/Hanifin for futures, ushering in a clear re-build/re-tool focus next year, they may be eager to move Kadri...
his 5yr term ain't great, but he's a very good middle 6 C fit for at least the next 2-3 yrs.
I wonder if a Kadri - Gally swap could work?
To CGY
WPG 1st, Strubble, Gally
To Mtl
Kadri
Would late 1st & Strubble (+500k cap savings for 3yrs & the 2yr shorter term) be enough to entice the flames?
Would you be willing to give up that much to upgrade from Gally to Kadri (& take the risk of the longer term?)
his 5yr term ain't great, but he's a very good middle 6 C fit for at least the next 2-3 yrs.
I wonder if a Kadri - Gally swap could work?
To CGY
WPG 1st, Strubble, Gally
To Mtl
Kadri
Would late 1st & Strubble (+500k cap savings for 3yrs & the 2yr shorter term) be enough to entice the flames?
Would you be willing to give up that much to upgrade from Gally to Kadri (& take the risk of the longer term?)
LaP
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You do realize Kadri will be 34 next season right?
Like Plekanec he'll hit a wall soon.
sampollock
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Yup. Though as I stated, I think he's going to stay effective for at least the next 2-3 yrs, giving us a very good middle 6 upgrade... By the last 2yrs of his deal, cap increase will offset his declining impact & we'll have a bevy of ELC/RFA talent offsetting cap impact.
3yrs of Kadri instead of Gally greatly improved our PO transition imo
Beendair Donedat
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No idea why we’d want Zegras, but I guess he’s the new flavour of the month here.
He’s okay, but he’s not what we need to build this team moving forward, and the cost would be prohibitive to boot. You don’t give up first round picks in a rebuild, unless you’re certain the guy coming back is an improvement that moves the needle dramatically. I don’t think he’s dominant enough offensively to mask his defensive deficiencies and with our current roster and make up of players - I doubt having another soft/one dimensional player is conducive to short or long term success.
We do need an upgrade on the wing, but I’d prefer someone with some size that could contribute at both ends of the rink, while not shying away from physical play.
My target would be Holloway in Edmonton. He’s not nearly as proven as Zegras, but he also would cost much much less. He’s got size at 6’1, 205 lbs, he can absolutely fly, has a high draft pedigree (drafted 14 overall in 2020) and while he’s had some bad luck with an injury this last year, he’s absolutely tore up the AHL in his time there. He’s not going to displace any of the big guns in Edmonton so I’d bet on him as a buy low, return big option.
With Edmonton being in a “win now” mode, McDavid and Draisaitl’s contract windows closing quickly, and Vancouver and Winnipeg already making big moves to load up, I’d try to extract Holloway. Edmonton could use a veteran right hand shot defenseman and back up goalie to make a run I’d propose:
To Edmonton: David Savard (50 percent retained by Montreal), Jake Allen (50 percent retained by San Jose).
To Montreal: Dylan Holloway, 2024 conditional 2nd round pick (Oilers)*
*condition is it becomes a 1st if they win the cup.
To San Jose: Montreal Canadiens 3rd round pick 2024 (acquired from Minnesota Wild).
Oilers can fit Savard and Allen, if both are 50% retained, which would bolster their lineup without losing a full time roster player. Savard can either slide on to a pairing with Nurse, which would move Ceci down with Kulak, or he could play with Kulak and bump Desharnais. While Allen gives them a veteran backup if anything should happen to Skinner.
Habs get a young prospect that can play Center or the wing and eliminate the 3 goalie rotation, while the Sharks get a 3rd rounder for acting as brokers.
The Habs then continue to plummet into the standings and end up picking both Cayden Lindstrom and Tij Iginla in the first round at the draft.
Habs lineup for 2024-2025:
Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Roy - Dach - Newhook
Holloway - Lindstrom - Anderson
Pezzetta - Evans - Armia
Harvey-Pinard
Matheson - Guhle
Struble - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Kovacevic
Montembeault
Primeau
He’s okay, but he’s not what we need to build this team moving forward, and the cost would be prohibitive to boot. You don’t give up first round picks in a rebuild, unless you’re certain the guy coming back is an improvement that moves the needle dramatically. I don’t think he’s dominant enough offensively to mask his defensive deficiencies and with our current roster and make up of players - I doubt having another soft/one dimensional player is conducive to short or long term success.
We do need an upgrade on the wing, but I’d prefer someone with some size that could contribute at both ends of the rink, while not shying away from physical play.
My target would be Holloway in Edmonton. He’s not nearly as proven as Zegras, but he also would cost much much less. He’s got size at 6’1, 205 lbs, he can absolutely fly, has a high draft pedigree (drafted 14 overall in 2020) and while he’s had some bad luck with an injury this last year, he’s absolutely tore up the AHL in his time there. He’s not going to displace any of the big guns in Edmonton so I’d bet on him as a buy low, return big option.
With Edmonton being in a “win now” mode, McDavid and Draisaitl’s contract windows closing quickly, and Vancouver and Winnipeg already making big moves to load up, I’d try to extract Holloway. Edmonton could use a veteran right hand shot defenseman and back up goalie to make a run I’d propose:
To Edmonton: David Savard (50 percent retained by Montreal), Jake Allen (50 percent retained by San Jose).
To Montreal: Dylan Holloway, 2024 conditional 2nd round pick (Oilers)*
*condition is it becomes a 1st if they win the cup.
To San Jose: Montreal Canadiens 3rd round pick 2024 (acquired from Minnesota Wild).
Oilers can fit Savard and Allen, if both are 50% retained, which would bolster their lineup without losing a full time roster player. Savard can either slide on to a pairing with Nurse, which would move Ceci down with Kulak, or he could play with Kulak and bump Desharnais. While Allen gives them a veteran backup if anything should happen to Skinner.
Habs get a young prospect that can play Center or the wing and eliminate the 3 goalie rotation, while the Sharks get a 3rd rounder for acting as brokers.
The Habs then continue to plummet into the standings and end up picking both Cayden Lindstrom and Tij Iginla in the first round at the draft.
Habs lineup for 2024-2025:
Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Roy - Dach - Newhook
Holloway - Lindstrom - Anderson
Pezzetta - Evans - Armia
Harvey-Pinard
Matheson - Guhle
Struble - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Kovacevic
Montembeault
Primeau
NicRattlehead
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But you’re giving up a 1st round pick and Jayden Struble to get him.
Gally + 3rd Rounder + Career AHL Forward/4th Liner and you’ve got a deal. I doubt that happens but I don’t know why you’d give up Stuble and a 1st for a 34 year old unless you thought you were going to win a Stanley cup by adding him in the next year or two.
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ChesterNimitz
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That suggests to me that he has a clue.
playing with suzuki and a bunch of wam bodies at C is the ultimate tank move
ChesterNimitz
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I don’t think either get’s you a 1st even if their parents were managing the other team.
If the other GM had a gun to his head, it still doesn't get you a first. The GM just accepts that the trigger will be pulled.
Unloading Gallagher is going to cost something significant... If all it took were a 3rd & AHL caliber player, I'm pretty sure he'd be long gone lol
The 1st/Strubble isn't just to add Kadri, it's also to shed Gally... In other words, the cost to upgrade from Gally to Kadri.
We can afford to spend a late 1st & an LD prospect to make a considerable upgrade in vet forward... It won't win us a cup, but imo that swap pushes us firmly into the PO conversation next season, a step much harder to take with Gally trying up 6.5M up front
sampollock
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Scotianhab
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Struble has played very well this year. He’s the type of defensemen on the 2nd/3rd pair that will help win playoff rds down the road. He’s cheap as well. We will not be giving him up for Kadri.
Matheson
Guhle
Strubble
Harris
Xhekaj
Hutson
Engstrom
Trudeau
Norlinder
By fall '25, all 9 of these players could well be NHL regulars (or ready for regular NHL duties). Hutson & Engstrom will be the only 2 not requiring waivers, and both may be forcing the issue.
I think it's a safe bet that 1 or more of them are no longer with the team by next year... Norlinder is probably the only one Hughes would risk losing on waivers.
The only question is what kind of trade sees them go... Could be a straight swap for a similar fwd, could be a package for a net upgrade, could be a sweetner to offload MBs cap anchors.
Everyone who thinks the Kings want to get rid of that contract.
The opposite question, is who will want that contract without retention?
calder candidate
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It isn’t crazy but I don’t really think Holloway a guy I would target…
Andrei79
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I've been unfortunately reading the main board trade forum and I'm absolutely floored at the level of discourse. Not in a positive way mind you. Moreso in a "how are these people functional in daily life" kind of way. And many of these clowns are mods for their teams. What's going on ? Can we blame this on TikTok somehow ?
WinterLion
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Who's next?
Allen??
Pearson??
Savard??
Kovacevic??
Harris??
Anderson??
Allen??
Pearson??
Savard??
Kovacevic??
Harris??
Anderson??
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That begs for a poll.
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