HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Sterling Archer]

I had a dream last night that we got the news that DeSmith was traded. Don't remember to what team and for what return. Only that DeSmith was moved.

I'd be happy with a 3rd pick at this point. He's not going to get much so my expectations are low.

 

[Miller Time]

What is sad, is they had lots of oportunities to get better at centre all along. Carter or Getzlaf + Bergeron in 2003. Giroux few years later. O'Reilly.... And more recently, grab Aho and Point. Poor scouting at its best !!!!

How do you draw that conclusion? All 7 of the players you listed were passed over, some multiple times, by other franchises.
Heck, the B's scouting team picked Mark Stuart ahead of Bergeron, the Canes took Hanifin well before Aho and the Bolts picked DeAngelo, Dominik Masin & Jonathan Macleod ahead of Point.

Poor scouting?

 

[Adam Michaels]

I'd be happy with a 3rd pick at this point. He's not going to get much so my expectations are low.

Yup. I agree. I'll even be content with a 4th. It would still be an extra asset the Habs get back in a deal that gave them the chance to offload Hoffman.

I will add that in my dream, there was a loophole the Habs took advantage of and retained 51% of his salary.

This is when I decided not to medicate before I go to bed.

 

[Rapala]

Yup. I agree. I'll even be content with a 4th. It would still be an extra asset the Habs get back in a deal that gave them the chance to offload Hoffman.

I will add that in my dream, there was a loophole the Habs took advantage of and retained 51% of his salary.

This is when I decided not to medicate before I go to bed.

Are you sure it wasn't Allen that got moved?

 

[Vachon23]

I'd be happy with a 3rd pick at this point. He's not going to get much so my expectations are low.

I’m expecting a 5 or 6th round pick

 

[1909]

How do you draw that conclusion? All 7 of the players you listed were passed over, some multiple times, by other franchises.
Heck, the B's scouting team picked Mark Stuart ahead of Bergeron, the Canes took Hanifin well before Aho and the Bolts picked DeAngelo, Dominik Masin & Jonathan Macleod ahead of Point.

Poor scouting?

Absolutely. With two or three of them thru the years, this team would had never sanked so low.

 

[Runner77]

This is when I decided to medicate Marinate & Lather before I go to bed.

Fixed.

 

[1909]

Look no further than Habs history….

In over 100-years, the only Cs with PPG seasons ever drafted were Henry Richard & Jacques Lemaire - both drafted before expansion from original 6…

Not in the orgs DNA - just as Dodgers always find a way to draft star pitchers and Yankees draft left handed sluggers through good and bad times…Habs have always found G followed by Dman, once in a while W but almost never C

Right. They had to make trades to get some decent ones like Pierre Larouche, Bobby Smith, Damphousse, Muller and Turgeon. Koivu could had been better without his injuries and disease, but he looked more like an excellent 2nd line centre for most of his career.

I think they missed a good opportunity to trade for Dubois. But we still got Suzuki and Dach who could become very good reliable centermen. Too bad they drafted 5th OA this year. One of the 4 centermen drafted before could had helped a lot. Last year, they decided not to draft Cooley, Wright or Gauthier., and grabbed a LW. And we all know the KK and Galchenyuk's experiments turned sour.

 

[Miller Time]

Absolutely. With two or three of them thru the years, this team would had never sanked so low.

You missed the point

 

[1909]

You missed the point

No. It is not because other teams passed on them that Habs should had the same excuse over and over thru the decades. Especially when yu are so poor on the centerline. Bruins found Bergeron, Pastrnak and Marchand, their core for their record breaking season. TB have guys like Kucherov and Point.

 

[salbutera]

Right. They had to make trades to get some decent ones like Pierre Larouche, Bobby Smith, Damphousse, Muller and Turgeon. Koivu could had been better without his injuries and disease, but he looked more like an excellent 2nd line centre for most of his career.

I think they missed a good opportunity to trade for Dubois. But we still got Suzuki and Dach who could become very good reliable centermen. Too bad they drafted 5th OA this year. One of the 4 centermen drafted before could had helped a lot. Last year, they decided not to draft Cooley, Wright or Gauthier., and grabbed a LW. And we all know the KK and Galchenyuk's experiments turned sour.

They had to buy the Quebec Senior League to be able to sign Le Gros Bill as UFA….

Mahovlich for the 70’s dynasty team, acquired via trade….on & on it goes..

 

[1909]

They had to buy the Quebec Senior League to be able to sign Le Gros Bill as UFA….

Mahovlich for the 70’s dynasty team, acquired via trade….on & on it goes..

Peter was not supposed to become that good. Playing with Lafleur and Shutt helped a bit, I guess.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Comm on… Jack Hughes just had a 99 pts season at 21 yrs

None of those guys are at his level and I’m pretty confident that none of those guys will never have that kind of season. Dach/Suzuki are more at Hishier level

Could be a fluke. IMO he is NOT that good. If he is regularly a 90 pt forward Dach and Suzuki shouldn't be far behind at 80+.

 

[The Great Weal]

Desmith would have already been traded if someone offered a 3rd. He's getting waived.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Desmith would have already been traded if someone offered a 3rd. He's getting waived.

I'd rather waive Allen

 

[SlafySZN]

Desmith would have already been traded if someone offered a 3rd. He's getting waived.

Hughes said the goalie market is moving slow, had to wait and see closer to the season, not right now.

 

[calder candidate]

I'd rather waive Allen

He might not get pick up we need to shed so cap space…

 

[CHfan1]

He might not get pick up we need to shed so cap space…

The Habs will have no issues getting below the Cap before putting Price on LTIR. Also if they waive Allen or DeSmith if they can’t trade either of them they only save $1.15 million in cap space.

 

[ML16]

Hughes said the goalie market is moving slow, had to wait and see closer to the season, not right now.

DeSmith will indeed likely be a « waiver wire deadline » move; he’ll either picked off or traded for a symbolic return just before if a team wants to bypass the waiver order; I don’t see the Habs using their last salary retention spot on him to maybe squeeze out a 3rd (nor on Allen for that matter, at least not this year…)

 

[PettersonHughes]

Is your NHL goalie tandem projected to be Allen - Montembeault, with DeSmith likely as the #3? If so, (or if Montembeault could be had) what would be the asking price to trade for Sam?

 

[Whalers Fan]

Is your NHL goalie tandem projected to be Allen - Montembeault, with DeSmith likely as the #3? If so, (or if Montembeault could be had) what would be the asking price to trade for Sam?

I doubt that the Habs are interested in trading Monty. He's likely to be the 1A starter, with Allen the 1B. Primeau will be the 3rd option while starting in Laval - - assuming he clears waivers. DeSmith will be traded or waived.

He's shown enough growth recently and is still young enough that he's worth more to the Habs than the minor return he would get if traded.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Is your NHL goalie tandem projected to be Allen - Montembeault, with DeSmith likely as the #3? If so, (or if Montembeault could be had) what would be the asking price to trade for Sam?

He is the #1 and cheap so an unprotected 1st+ would probably be needed.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

There does not seem to be interest for the goalies at present. The only obvious fit is New Jersey, but they might just wait and claim one off waivers. Jake Allen was hurt a lot last year. Is there any chance he starts the year on IR?

 

[ReHabs]

Jake Allen's stats in 22-23:

GP	W	L	OTL	GAA	SV%
42	15	24	3	3.55	0.891

I'm not sure what they saw in Allen last year to give him that unnecessary extension + raise. Or what they think they can do with Allen in 24-25 season either. He'll be 35 and was never good.

The buyout simulator says in case of a buyout in Summer 2024 his cap hit will be 2.3m in 24-25 and then 0.7m 25-26. Savings of 1.5m and -0.7m. I don't love it, personally, but we just saw Hughes sell 2.3m in future cap space for a 2nd round pick and some spare parts -- the inverse of that means 1.5m in cap space is worth a certain amount X (say, 3rd round pick) and Jake Allen is clearly worth less than that amount on the trade market.

Maybe they can jettison him this offseason and retain half his cap hit -- can we get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him at a 1.8m cap hit? Who needs a goalie? We'd be out of retention spots following this hypothetical trade but I was assured by many geniuses that retention spots are worthless and we shouldn't concern ourselves with them.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The Habs will have no issues getting below the Cap before putting Price on LTIR. Also if they waive Allen or DeSmith if they can’t trade either of them they only save $1.15 million in cap space.

Agreed. The only thing here is to find a new home for DeSmith for his benefit but we won't hurt our team in the process. These are minor issues.

If we have to, we can start with a 21 or 22 man roster and quickly change it up after the season starts where Price goes to LTIR.

There does not seem to be interest for the goalies at present. The only obvious fit is New Jersey, but they might just wait and claim one off waivers. Jake Allen was hurt a lot last year. Is there any chance he starts the year on IR?

The only one I hear of going on IR to start the season is Dvorak. I suspect everyone else shows up healthy so we would have to have an injury in preseason