HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Vachon23]

I think it would be counterproductive to trade one of Suzuki/Dach/Caufield

Not really since he‘s at an other level then all those players

It would take at least one of our studs and Vancouver could make a case for two

Then do it ! You won’t have a chance to grab a player of that level

 

[NekkiChiconey]

Unless we'd be willing to give up Suzuki or Caufield. We'd definitely be out of the running, for that type of trade.

I don't see who could be in the running though. Maybe a team like Minnesota (Boldy) but even then... Teams who have these players are often competing so it would be lateral for them as well.

If Vancouver doesn't want futures though, I could see Kent using our 1st (top-7) to acquire a young player and then flip him to Vancouver in a package... A reverse Romanov if you will.

 

[Habs10Habs]

I don't see who could be in the running though. Maybe a team like Minnesota (Boldy) but even then... Teams who have these players are often competing so it would be lateral for them as well.

If Vancouver doesn't want futures though, I could see Kent using our 1st (top-7) to acquire a young player and then flip him to Vancouver in a package... A reverse Romanov if you will.

The only team I can think of off the top of my head would be the Rangers. With Chytil, Laffy and Kakko as bait. They could definitely afford to lose two of them, and a cap dump, to make a deal.

That's definitely possible. Though with where we are as a team. I could see him moving the 1st (top 7) for a young player, then keeping him.

Personally I don't see the Canucks getting anywhere near a player like Suzuki or Caufield back for EP40. I just showed my opinion of what a lateral move would look like to obtain EP40.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I wouldn’t deal Guhle at all, he’s the cornerstone of the defense going forward. Our only legitimate potential to be a true number one defenseman (at this moment anyway). He was our best defenseman last year before he was injured. He’s as close to untouchable as it gets IMO.

I don’t see how the Canucks and Habs would make a deal around Petterssen, unless the package was heavy on picks/prospects from the Habs. The young guys the Canucks would target are the guys like Dach, Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle, etc who are our core.

I absolutely would never move Matheson for picks/propsects/futures. However I WOULD move him for a Petersson extended. Vancouver gets a guy with three years left at GREAT value.

That being the cornerstone, we can add one or two cheap roster players who will NOT be core for us but could make things more palatable for Vancouver, such as Harris or Evans, or even RHP.

Add one B prospect like Kidney or a second-round pick. If they want a first, they take Armia or Gallagher, which they probably won't want to do.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

Will be fun to monitor.

EP40, William Nylander and Leon Draisatl are the situations I'm watching where we might have an opportunity to pounce with our boat load of assets to acquire a high end offensive talent.

If EP40 is not receptive to Vancouver, and Draisaitl not receptive to Edmonton, will they be positively inclined to Montreal? Not necessarily a given, though no doubt they are intriguing talents.

 

[WeThreeKings]

If EP40 is not receptive to Vancouver, and Draisaitl not receptive to Edmonton, will they be positively inclined to Montreal? Not necessarily a given, though no doubt they are intriguing talents.

I think it might be more of a salary cap thing for Draisatl.. and EP might see promise here.

Not to say we'd win any of them but they are sitautions we can monitor and at least be in on.

 

[Vachon23]

If EP40 is not receptive to Vancouver, and Draisaitl not receptive to Edmonton, will they be positively inclined to Montreal? Not necessarily a given, though no doubt they are intriguing talents.

More chances with those guys than with a U.S. born player. Euro usually like MTL

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

I think it might be more of a salary cap thing for Draisatl.. and EP might see promise here.

Not to say we'd win any of them but they are sitautions we can monitor and at least be in on.

HuGo are extremely plugged into NHL scuttlebutt, which shows in the creativity of the dealing so far to emerge from the abyss bequeathed by Bergevin. I have faith in their ability to stitch together a competitive offer that pushes the buttons of those teams' GMs. It's impressive how steady the progress has been in unloading boat anchor contracts. Hopefully he has something up his sleeves, especially if he manages to make more space.

 

[NekkiChiconey]

That's definitely possible. Though with where we are as a team. I could see him moving the 1st (top 7) for a young player, then keeping him.

I wouldn't necessarily be against that, I just think that the potential candidates do not move the needle as much. Byfield or Lafreniere aren't worth a top-7 pick right now, and if they improve this year their team probably elects to keep them. Would someone like Necas be a good fit? I'd love to have him on our team but for a player of that level I'd rather make the pick or pay a premium for EP if possible.

 

[Xirik]

I think that in a pettersson trade the Canucks would want Suzuki and Beck to be the main part of the trade.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I think that in a pettersson trade the Canucks would want Suzuki and Beck to be the main part of the trade.

Yeah and I'd want Jennifer Lawrence to enter my marriage as a third.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Yeah and I'd want Jennifer Lawrence to enter my marriage as a third.

If Montreal is getting a young top-10 C who has developed a two way game, they're going to have to give up substantial value. I don't see that Suzuki, Beck + is all that ridiculous, unless the + is obscene or Suzuki has a breakthrough season.

Ideally, Montreal is putting themselves in a position to do something like that. Its why they've been accruing futures and acquiring guys who are/may be able to be centers like Dach and Newhook.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

Yeah and I'd want Jennifer Lawrence to enter my marriage as a third.

She strikes me as extremely high-maintenance. I'd think it over, WTK.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Not really since he‘s at an other level then all those players

Then do it ! You won’t have a chance to grab a player of that level

He may not be that much better than any of those players. Dach would be the only one I would consider moving since he could be injury prone.

I think that in a pettersson trade the Canucks would want Suzuki and Beck to be the main part of the trade.

Forget it. No interest in Petterson unless he decides Montreal is the only team he will play for and the cost is relatively cheap.

 

[Vachon23]

He may not be that much better than any of those players. Dach would be the only one I would consider moving since he could be injury prone.

He is way better then Caufield/Suzuki/Dach and it’s not even close.

None of those guys have the potential to reach 100 pts and none of those guys have his defensive game ability and he’s the same age of Suzuki so he would get better him too. He’s a top 10 C in the league

 

[Hins77]

I absolutely would never move Matheson for picks/propsects/futures. However I WOULD move him for a Petersson extended. Vancouver gets a guy with three years left at GREAT value.

That being the cornerstone, we can add one or two cheap roster players who will NOT be core for us but could make things more palatable for Vancouver, such as Harris or Evans, or even RHP.

Add one B prospect like Kidney or a second-round pick. If they want a first, they take Armia or Gallagher, which they probably won't want to do.

Good luck giving quantity for Pettersson. I would never trade Suzuki for that kind of package.

 

[Xirik]

He may not be that much better than any of those players. Dach would be the only one I would consider moving since he could be injury prone.


Forget it. No interest in Petterson unless he decides Montreal is the only team he will play for and the cost is relatively cheap.

So Montreal will never trade for star players.

Doesn't seem like a good strategy but if your faith in the Habs own prospects and development is that high then kudos to you.

 

[DAChampion]

If Draisatl leaves Edmonton, will McDavid follow?

 

[morhilane]

Has Pettersson said he didn't want to sign long term in Vancouver?

With all their UFAs this season, they will have plenty of cap space for whatever he ask. The rest of the team might be budget paid, but they shouldn't have a problem keeping him around.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Has Pettersson said he didn't want to sign long term in Vancouver?

With all their UFAs this season, they will have plenty of cap space for whatever he ask. The rest of the team might be budget paid, but they shouldn't have a problem keeping him around.

He's not signing until after this season so he might not want to stay if they're bad again.

 

[Scriptor]

There's no precedent for expecting two studs.

Name the studs Montreal could be choosing from as who to offer in such a trade?

Caufield, with 40 to 50 goal potential, could be considered a stud.

Is Suzuki a stud?

Dach?

Guhle?

Mailloux?

Obviously, Montreal would have to give quantity over quality, because they have nobody currently with the type of production that Pettersson has put up.

I would personally prefer to keep Suzuki over Dach, even if pitmans losing a rare 6'4" C over 200lbs, because, IMO, I prefer two dual-threat Cs in Pettersson and Suzuki who can score, or set up plays. IMO, that is much harder to defend against, in the long run.

While Dach gave us glimpses of completely dominating a play in the O-Zone (something difficult to let go) in the highlight where he battles for a puck along the boards and then sets up Dvorak for a goal, Suzuki has, for his part, already shown us that he can raise his level of play (along with Caufield) in the playoffs.

I'd be ecstatic with a C-line for the top-9 centered around Pettersson -Suzuki - Beck in the future. I'm pretty confident that one of Kidney or Kapanen can also aspire to a 4th line role in the NHL, at the very least.

Montreal will need to fork up one of Suzuki or Dach as the main player piece heading back. Of that, I have no doubt.

I also don't think that VAN trades Pettersson before the end of this season, as they will surely try until the last second to extend this player.

That leaves Dach the opportunity to progress, production-wise, and, just as importantly, remain healthy, in order to raise his value in a potential trade for Pettersson.

Also, though, while Dach will have two more years at a very affordable 3.63M left on his contract after this season, that may not seem as attractive as the security of 6 more years with Suzuki's contract, a contract whose 7.875M Cap hit will become more and more of a great deal as the Cap keeps going up in the next few years.

Dealing either Suzuki or Dach for a proven upgrade in Pettersson is not a problem, really. It's all the futures one would have to give to make the deal happen that are more of a concern.

Losing a first round pick (or more), a potential top-4 D with PP quarterback upside that can be cost-controlled going forward, a potential top-6 winger with similar Cap benefits, etc., even if we manage to get rid of a bad contract at the same time, may be more detrimental to assembling a Cup winner in the long run.

Assuming Vancouver wants Suzuki and not Dach, accepts a big-bodied, offensive D in Mailloux to offset the smaller stature of Hughes on their backend, takes Montreal's 2024 1st round pick and CAL's 1st round pick in 2025, Farrell as a forward with upside, while accepting Gallagher's contract (with retention) to complete the trade, this is what things might look like for Montreal in the short term and in the long term.

I honestly think I could live with that, even if it sets a new Cap structure for the Habs with Pettersson's eventual next contract that should be at least 10M per season, if not more.

I also think we can get beyond the lack of talent influx from 1st round picks lost in 2024 and 2025, even if, in the end, that talent might need to be replaced with UFAs. Let's just say that playing alongside a 100-point C might facilitate attracting top-end wingers on the UFA front.

Losing Mailloux, long term, might hurt more than we think, but I don't expect it will be the end of the world because of other D prospects lining up for Montreal.

Short term C-line:

Pettersson
Dach
Beck (Monahan will likely be traded before we acquire Pettersson in the next offseason)
Dvorak (Final year for Dvorak as another prospect -- Kidney or Kapanen keep developing)

Long term C-line:

Pettersson
Dach
Beck
Kidney/Kapanen

Short term lineup:

Caufield - Pettersson - Newhook
RHP - Dach - Anderson
Slafkovsky - Beck - Roy
Armia - Dvorak - Heineman
Ylonen, Pezzetta

Matheson - Guhle
Harris - Savard
Xhekaj - Kovacevic
Lindstrom, Barron (start in Laval)

Longer term lineup:

Slafkovsky - Petersson - Caufield
Newhook - Dach - Roy
RHP - Beck - Anderson (replaced by Heineman, if/when traded
Heineman (replaced by a Tuch type when Anderson gone) - Kidney/Kapanen - Mesar

Matheson - Reinbacher
Hutson - Guhle
Xhekaj - Engstrom
Barron, Harris

 

[Sterling Archer]

If Draisatl leaves Edmonton, will McDavid follow?

If they're not going to Cup finals on the regular, they're both gone and then some. AKA Calgary Flames current situation.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

So Montreal will never trade for star players.

Doesn't seem like a good strategy but if your faith in the Habs own prospects and development is that high then kudos to you.

I certainly believe that Canadiens can match the players NJ has for example. I don't think they will move any of the young players who are the core of the team (Suzuki, Caufield) or any of the recentlly acquired young players (Slaf, Newhook, Dach) unless they lose confidence in 1 or 2 of them. If you move 2 of them you just delay the rebuild. I expect they will be more likely to go after a player like Eichel when they know what they have and what piece/pieces are missing.

If they're not going to Cup finals on the regular, they're both gone and then some. AKA Calgary Flames current situation.

True but the Flames situation was not that. Gaudreau and Tkachuk wanted to go to the States. Neither cared about winning a Cup.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I certainly believe that Canadiens can match the players NJ has for example. I don't think they will move any of the young players who are the core of the team (Suzuki, Caufield) or any of the recentlly acquired young players (Slaf, Newhook, Dach) unless they lose confidence in 1 or 2 of them. If you move 2 of them you just delay the rebuild. I expect they will be more likely to go after a player like Eichel when they know what they have and what piece/pieces are missing.


True but the Flames situation was not that. Gaudreau and Tkachuk wanted to go to the States. Neither cared about winning a Cup.

True. Different situation but I was trying to show the analogy of several of the teams top players all requesting trades at the same time. Last year and this year.

 

[Guy Larose]

Haven't been here in a while and still talking about Petterson LMAO