HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[sampollock]

It will depend on Monahan and Dach. If the habs have three legit lines, they will be very hard to contain.

and how much they get pushed around.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

and how much they get pushed around.

I hope that they trade for a tough customer who can skate at forward as well as helps Wifi and Anderson do this kind of heavy lifting.

 

[sampollock]

I hope that they trade for a tough customer who can skate at forward as well as helps Wifi and Anderson do this kind of heavy lifting.

ya so agree
I feel that this team right now will get worked over. as seems to be the case with the habs over the past 20 years. except when Weber, Ed and Ben were on the back end

 

[Tyson]

It will depend on Monahan and Dach. If the habs have three legit lines, they will be very hard to contain.

While this team is awfully young what I find promising is how many excellent players are on this roster.

 

[MarioLeMoose]

Mailloux is not going anywhere .He will be a top pairing D and at worse a 2nd pairing one

I am high on Mailloux and I think we may have something in him, but he has way too many defensive warts in his game to say that he will be at worse a 2nd pairing D
He could at worse be a fringe NHLer who we lose to waivers

 

[Captain Mountain]

Mailloux is not going anywhere .He will be a top pairing D and at worse a 2nd pairing one

Dude, Mailloux isn't even a lock to make the NHL, that's an insane take.

 

[sampollock]

Dude, Mailloux isn't even a lock to make the NHL, that's an insane take.

he needs Baddman's ok too

 

[DAChampion]

I mean if this how you define stars no wonder you think it's easy to trade for them.

Some of the players on the list that are actually stars (or were perceived to be at the time) and what they got in return:

Jack Eichel traded for:
Peyton Krebs (17th overall)
Alex Tuch (18th overall pick and just scored 79 points but basically I'd say scored as much as Dach just did for us last season before being traded)
16th overall pick (Noah Ostlund who is a great prospect)
2nd round pick

Alex Debrincat (first time and with no guarantee of a long term resigning) traded for:
7th overall pick
39th overall pick
3rd rounder

PLD traded for:
Gabe vilardi (11th overall pick, 0.65 ppg roughly similar to Dach I'd say)
Alex Iafallo (0.61 ppg)
Rasmus Kupari (20th overall pick in 2018 so room to still live up too it)
2nd round pickk

How are any of these packages comparable to calgary's 1st, Mailloux, Roy and Armia? Mailloux and Roy are complete unknown projections at this point. Could be anything or could be nothing. Armia is a cap dump. And calgary's 1st remains to be seen if it's worth anything. Might be in the bottom 10 of the draft.

Like I wrote -- excuses.

You actually argued that Vilardi and Dach are equivalent.

 

[MolleSon]

I wouldn't trade Mailloux yet... He hasn't played a lot in the past years. We need to see at least one year of him in Laval before we can decide if he's going to make it or not. He definitely has potential but how much potential is my question. Lets see if he can be dominant - or at least effective - in the AHL for one full year.

 

[Kaladin]

Like I wrote -- excuses.

You actually argued that Vilardi and Dach are equivalent.

At this point in their careers they are. Step outside your Habs bubble. Watch what he does next year given more opportunity in Winnipeg.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

I hope that they trade for a tough customer who can skate at forward as well as helps Wifi and Anderson do this kind of heavy lifting.

They simply don't have the assets to get this guy. Teams won't necessarily trade a player who can skate and throw punches for free.

 

[HuGort]

Surprised Hughes said he did not maximum value but wanted to move quickly instead. Wonder what he could have got for Petry?

 

[DAChampion]

At this point in their careers they are. Step outside your Habs bubble. Watch what he does next year given more opportunity in Winnipeg.

Dach is substantially younger than Vilardi, taller, plays a more important position and has vastly greater potential.

You need to step outside your doom and gloom chamber.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Surprised Hughes said he did not maximum value but wanted to move quickly instead. Wonder what he could have got for Petry?

Presumably he is talking draft picks. Unless it is a 1st it is relatively useless anyway. And he wouldn't pass up a 1st if a miracle had happened and he was offered one.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Dach is substantially younger than Vilardi, taller, plays a more important position and has vastly greater potential.

You need to step outside your doom and gloom chamber.

Exactly. Vilardi was on pace for 50 pts last year. Could be his peak. He is also a glass body. Dach might be a glass body as well but this season will give us a better idea.

 

[Kaladin]

Dach is substantially younger than Vilardi, taller, plays a more important position and has vastly greater potential.

You need to step outside your doom and gloom chamber.

"Substantially younger" lol it's a 1.5 year difference. Barely worth mentioning. Vilardi is 6'3, Dach is 6'4. Again barely worth mentioning. And Vilardi played as much C as Dach has for the Habs and is going to play C for the Jets too. You're point about "vastly greater potential" is literally your opinion and not based on anything they have showed in the NHL to date. Again, I repeat at this point of their respective careers they are similar players.

Everything you just said and how wrong it was just emphasizes you should maybe pay attention to the players on other teams a little more. It has nothing to do with me being allegedly "doom and gloom" but more to do with you overrating our players and underrating others.

Exactly. Vilardi was on pace for 50 pts last year. Could be his peak. He is also a glass body. Dach might be a glass body as well but this season will give us a better idea.

Isn't that what Dach was on pace for too....? lol. And yes they both are similarly injury prone.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

"Substantially younger" lol it's a 1.5 year difference. Barely worth mentioning. Vilardi is 6'3, Dach is 6'4. Again barely worth mentioning. And Vilardi played as much C as Dach has for the Habs and is going to play C for the Jets too. You're point about "vastly greater potential" is literally your opinion and not based on anything they have showed in the NHL to date. Again, I repeat at this point of their respective careers they are similar players.

Everything you just said and how wrong it was just emphasizes you should maybe pay attention to the players on other teams a little more. It has nothing to do with me being allegedly "doom and gloom" but more to do with you overrating our players and underrating others.


Isn't that what Dach was on pace for too....? lol. And yes they both are similarly injury prone.

Dach should be at least as good as Dubois. It took Vilardi, 2 other players and a draft pick to get Dubois. Obviuosly Vilardi is not close to Dach.

 

[Kaladin]

Dach should be at least as good as Dubois. It took Vilardi, 2 other players and a draft pick to get Dubois. Obviuosly Vilardi is not close to Dach.

Based on what?

The Jets wanted Dach from us for Dubois and they wanted Vilardi from the Kings for Dubois. They said yes we said no. The players can't be any more similar at this point in their careers to be honest. To pretend otherwise is pure homerism.

 

[SlafySZN]

Based on what?

The Jets wanted Dach from us for Dubois and they wanted Vilardi from the Kings for Dubois. They said yes we said no. The players can't be any more similar at this point in their careers to be honest. To pretend otherwise is pure homerism.

The Dach thing with the jets was just a supposition from a jets journalist on what the jets would want from the habs. No one actually knows. What’s for sure though, is the habs wouldn’t have gave any of their young guys or high pick, Dubois was more of a topic for the media than an actual possibility or want for the habs.

 

[Kaladin]

The Dach thing with the jets was just a supposition from a jets journalist on what the jets would want from the habs. No one actually knows. What’s for sure though, is the habs wouldn’t have gave any of their young guys or high pick, Dubois was more of a topic for the media than an actual possibility or want for the habs.

Sure, no one actually knows. I rather not get sidetracked from the main point which is Dach and Vilardi are essentially very comparable players at this point in their respective careers. The only arguable difference is 'potential' and that is my friends very subjective so maybe let's stop saying Dach is much better than Vilardi with so much confidence...

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Based on what?

The Jets wanted Dach from us for Dubois and they wanted Vilardi from the Kings for Dubois. They said yes we said no. The players can't be any more similar at this point in their careers to be honest. To pretend otherwise is pure homerism.

How many times does it need to be said. The Jets got 3 players and a 2nd round pick. If Vilardi was anything LA would have only offered him an a draft pick. IMO Dach will be as good or better than Dubois if he can stay healthy. I look at player ability and don't give a shit what team they play for.

 

[Kaladin]

How many times does it need to be said. The Jets got 3 players and a 2nd round pick. If Vilardi was anything LA would have only offered him an a draft pick. IMO Dach will be as good or better than Dubois if he can stay healthy. I look at player ability and don't give a shit what team they play for.

"How many times does it need to be said" lol you say that with such exasperation like you've actually said anything factual at this point.

Can you describe to me, based on any metric why you feel Dach is so much better than Vilardi at this stage of their respective careers? Goals? Assists? Face off win %? Is there anything objective you can point too? It seems like Vilardi is the better goal scorer to me and Dach is better at passing. Pretty much a wash so far. Vilardi is better at face off %. Dach is a inch taller. Both have faced injuries in their careers. It's one thing to say in your opinion Dach will be as good as Dubois but you can't really point to any reason why Dach is so much better than vilardi besides Vilardi's supposed low trade value relative to Dubois (for which we have no equivalent comparison for Dach so bringing it up is kind of moot). Besides, everyone rational acknowledges Vilardi was the big part of the return package. Everything else was just dressing on top. The trade will hinge on whether or not he pans out for the Jets.

 

[RationalExpectations]

I bet you DeSmith/Lindstrom will be part of the trade package... unless something else deeper develops.

Where does Lindstrom fit on our RD side? Would you play him ahead of Barron, Xhekaj, Kova, Harris?

Or, maybe the trade is DeSmith/Harris. I don't think it's going to be DeSmith only.

I think Lindstrom is only here for depth / competition purposes. Saying the young guys you don t have a guaranteed spot if you don t play well. Also an additional warm body in case of injuries is always good to have.

 

[Belial]

I think Lindstrom is only here for depth / competition purposes. Saying the young guys you don t have a guaranteed spot if you don t play well. Also an additional warm body in case of injuries is always good to have.

Wouldn't it be weird if they put Lindstrom on waivers after the camp? Why even get this guy if he's a waiver fooder?

I think they will play him in the top 6 to start the season.

Apparently our scouts like him and think there's untapped potential...

 

[RationalExpectations]

Wouldn't it be weird if they put Lindstrom on waivers after the camp? Why even get this guy if he's a waiver fooder?

I think they will play him in the top 6 to start the season.

Apparently our scouts like him and think there's untapped potential...

I can see him becoming a bottom pairing D but Xhekaj Harris have more potential in my opinion