HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Scriptor]

Or just sign veterans to support the kids with all the cap space created.

Anyway, it would be next to impossible to move all those players before the season or even by next off-season. But hopefully there is progress made in that regard. Every little bit helps clear space in the lineup and cap space.

I don't see the point of removing veterans to sign other veterans.

Wait out the contracts, at worst, for those veterans who aren't part of the future, if you don't find takers on the trade front.

Armia is not a cancer in the dressing room, actually appreciated by everyone, except the fans, I guess.

Gallagher is clearly overpaid for the production he brings at this stage in his career, but he's an example of effort and perseverance every time he gets on the ice.

There is nothing bad about the following players during the time left on their contracts for the roles they play. It only presents itself as a problem if they play bigger roles than they should and block better and younger players needing TOI; Petry, Dvorak, Allen, Anderson.

People forget that prospects need to push out veterans by the level of play they bring, not get free passes in key roles with choice TOI without deserving it. That's just a recipe for disaster, IMO. It sets up youngsters to fail, or to develop bad habits because there is no accountability.

Price could be moved, but his recent move to Robidas Island is not concern for the Habs cap structure during the remaining life of his contract.

we all don't know if he will come to MTL though

It cam out in the press that Petry said he and his wife would make the best of it if he were to play in Montreal this season.

It wasn't a press conference statement, but it was made.

Where is this bogeyman coming from that it's unsure whether Petry would comer not to Montreal?

Obviously, everyone involved would prefer a trade were to happen before the start of the season, but, there is no suggestion of a holdout if no trade comes through.

 

[rahad]

Keeping Petry for half of the season would be good for the Habs. We have one of the most injury team in the league. We don't know if Guhle and Barron can handle a full season. Harris is your average top 6 D. Xhekaj won't last a full season, if he keep fight every 5 games. Very early for Mailloux to make it into the NHL.

Trade Petry in TDL. Keep Harris for a full season and trade him in the draft. Make room for Mailloux and Barron next year. Kovacevic and Wideman as your #6-8.

 

[Habs Icing]

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Petry needs to be moved. Kent must be working the phones hard

Don't worry! Bergevin left step-by-step instructions on how to work the phones hard - really, really hard.

 

[Mcdonaldz]

DLC has been exceptionally bad in recent weeks and months.

I agree they've gotten progressively worse over the past couple of seasons. They used to be simply bad.

I'm sure that DLC is run by a monkey who can't even peel his own bananas.

What a complete shit show.

This is the guy that founded that site… Max Truman back in his rapper days… BAD was to be expected

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

If Barron has a good season, he will be worth a lot. I wonder if we would try to package him in a deal for Keller next summer considering our need for a highend forward and our depth at D.

 

[Zilo44]

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Don't worry! Bergevin left step-by-step instructions on how to work the phones hard - really, really hard.

Hardest phone working guy in the business

 

[sampollock]

Hardest phone working guy in the business

not any more

 

[Rapala]

Petry needs to be moved. Kent must be working the phones hard

HuGo's Phone:

Bergevin's Phone:

 

[sampollock]

HuGo's Phone: View attachment 736203
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Bergevin's Phone:

I guess that that hard of phone calling

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Please explain the term "I would like player X to be traded away".

Is it equivalent to "I believe this player has negative value for some reason and I would like to trade him for nothing/future considerations"?

Because if you want some return for any of the players you listed, you did not mention it.

Am I correct to assume you mean to get rid of these players for nothing, or even to pay to get rid of them?

No, that's not correct. It means I think they should be traded in due time when possible for their relative value (hopefully a high one) because they probably aren't going to be helpful to the Habs in the long term.

 

[BaseballCoach]

No, that's not correct. It means I think they should be traded in due time when possible for their relative value (hopefully a high one) because they probably aren't going to be helpful to the Habs in the long term.

Thank you, that is more helpful.

Kindly advise the minimum return you would want for each player, failing which you would not want him traded.

Here is my list for easy comparison:
Gallagher - anything at all
Anderson - younger middle six player or first round pick plus B+ prospect
Dvorak - second round pick plus B prospect
Jake Allen - third round pick or B prospect
Armia - 3rd round pick plus 1 year cap dump (23-24 only)
Carey Price - not tradeable for zero return, not willing to pay to trade

Other players I would also consider:
Savard - a first round pick or a second rounder plus an A prospect, or a young 4/5 D or 3rd lne F
Matheson - at least 2 first round picks, a roster player and an A prospect, not really wanting to trade for the next two years at least.

 

[sampollock]

De Smith will get habs a 5th or 6th pick.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Thank you, that is more helpful.

Kindly advise the minimum return you would want for each player, failing which you would not want him traded.

Here is my list for easy comparison:
Gallagher - anything at all
Anderson - younger middle six player or first round pick plus B+ prospect
Dvorak - second round pick plus B prospect
Jake Allen - third round pick or B prospect
Armia - 3rd round pick plus 1 year cap dump (23-24 only)
Carey Price - not tradeable for zero return, not willing to pay to trade

Other players I would also consider:
Savard - a first round pick or a second rounder plus an A prospect, or a young 4/5 D or 3rd lne F
Matheson - at least 2 first round picks, a roster player and an A prospect, not really wanting to trade for the next two years at least.

Looks about right. Armia and Allen I'd be less picky about what they returned, because the cap space would be the main return.

 

[Runner77]

Don't worry! Bergevin left step-by-step instructions on how to work the phones hard - really, really hard.

All it takes to impress Pierre LeBrun!

 

[Sterling Archer]

I'd expect to see some trades over the next year regarding the Habs D. They already have too many and should be adding Hutson and Reinbacher for the end of this year and beginning of next. It'll be interesting to see who stays and who goes and what we can get for them.

 

[Rapala]

I'd expect to see some trades over the next year regarding the Habs D. They already have too many and should be adding Hutson and Reinbacher for the end of this year and beginning of next. It'll be interesting to see who stays and who goes and what we can get for them.

They will but there is still a ton of evaluation that needs to be done in terms of who we keep for the long run. Is Engstrom going to be better than Harris is Struble a better meaner #7 than Kovacevik or Lindstrom how long are we keeping Matheson is Mailloux Barron Reinbacher the best balanced RD squad or can we successfully convert one of our strong lefties. Is WiFi going to impove to the point where there is no question he plays every night. We really need to hope all these players excel so they don't lose value as they develop.

 

[Miller Time]

I'd expect to see some trades over the next year regarding the Habs D. They already have too many and should be adding Hutson and Reinbacher for the end of this year and beginning of next. It'll be interesting to see who stays and who goes and what we can get for them.

Gotta love the healthy competition management is creating.

 

[Habs Halifax]

De Smith will get habs a 5th or 6th pick.

I bet you DeSmith/Lindstrom will be part of the trade package... unless something else deeper develops.

Where does Lindstrom fit on our RD side? Would you play him ahead of Barron, Xhekaj, Kova, Harris?

Or, maybe the trade is DeSmith/Harris. I don't think it's going to be DeSmith only.

 

[sampollock]

I bet you DeSmith/Lindstrom will be part of the trade package... unless something else deeper develops.

Where does Lindstrom fit on our RD side? Would you play him ahead of Barron, Xhekaj, Kova, Harris?

Or, maybe the trade is DeSmith/Harris. I don't think it's going to be DeSmith only.

could be... something has to give

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I bet you DeSmith/Lindstrom will be part of the trade package... unless something else deeper develops.

Where does Lindstrom fit on our RD side? Would you play him ahead of Barron, Xhekaj, Kova, Harris?

Or, maybe the trade is DeSmith/Harris. I don't think it's going to be DeSmith only.

meh both are worth nothing

DeSmith gonna end up getting waived and Hughes talked about hes pro scouts seing something in Lindstrom so i think he starts the year in Montreal

 

[Sterling Archer]

Gotta love the healthy competition management is creating.

Absolutely. So important to have to play your best or ride the pine or get demoted.

I think Habs will be a lot better this year then most are expecting, barring another cataclysmic season of injuries.

 

[Sunfyre]

Absolutely. So important to have to play your best or ride the pine or get demoted.

I think Habs will be a lot better this year then most are expecting, barring another cataclysmic season of injuries.

Better, healthier and more existing to watch hopefully…but still the last team in the division

 

[Sterling Archer]

Better, healthier and more existing to watch hopefully…but still the last team in the division

That's why they play the games, or Toronto would be 52 time Stanley Cup Champions.

 

[Sunfyre]

That's why they play the games, or Toronto would be 52 time Stanley Cup Champions.

Not being critical, just don’t see us leapfrogging past any other team in the division next year. The competitive window starts hopefully in the 25-26 season

 

[Miller Time]

Better, healthier and more existing to watch hopefully…but still the last team in the division

That's the general consensus/easy bet...

I think that if reasonably healthy, they will shock a lot of people and end up competing for wild card spot right to the end & be one of the 1-2 "big surprises" that emmerge every year