HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Rapala]

Mantha isn't as bad as people say. He's just hurt.

I'd take him over Hoffman 10 times out of 10.

Now, I wouldn't take him for free, but if it's Petry, no retention by the Habs for Mantha, done.

Mantha ends after this season.

Petry 50% retained by the Habs for him, then the caps add.


My guesses are.

DeSmith to Buffalo.

Dvorak to Boston

Petry to a team, cause I'm not sure.

I'm not sure about the destinations but those are the two logical players to move to get us cap compliant before the season starts. Unless we can move Jeff Petry (as is) for something of value. One thing to watch for at camp is Owen Beck's progression. Ramage thinks he's knocking at the door right now.
The only other players that would help in that regard are Josh Anderson and David Savard and the two Jakes. It's incredible how strapped we still are with Gallagher's contract. I wonder if HuGo would move the two Jakes for picks and prospects.

 

[BaseballCoach]

We are 5M+ over the cap right now, without moving anyone out what is the solution that you have come up with? I am assuming that you know that moving Armia to Laval won't provide cap relief.

If possible could you brief me on options that perhaps I am not aware of.

We are over the cap by $5,171,666 with 27 guys counting against the cap. However, teams are allowed to start the season with a 20 man healthy roster.

Assume Dvorak and Price are hurt and on Regular IR. We can drop 5 guys in that case.

We waive Armia, saving $1,150,000.

We waive Allen or deSmith, saving $1,150,000.

We waive Wideman, saving $762,500.

We paper demote Harris, saving $1,150,000.

We paper demote Harvey-Pinard, saving $1,100,000

Total Savings $5,312,500

Now under cap by $140,834 with Price on the Cap. Deadline passes.

Next, Price is placed on LTIR and we can recall RHP and Harris to play in the first game. That's 22 healthy players on the roster for game 1.

We can also recall one of Armia, DeSmith or Wideman if we wanted to, but their days on the NHL roster will eat into the 30 days allowed before they need to clear waivers again to be sent down. We may not care about that.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Ok, did not know that. So does he have positive value at his contract and 1 year term?



OK, question answered with a NO.



Completely disagree. If Mantha has negative value, then we should not trade Petry non-retained for him, because Petry has positive value. He would help our team as our 2nd or 3rd best D-man at a cap hit appropriate to his value.


Possibly, if the add is an unprotected first PLUS.....

If Washington is trying to compete (as it seems they are with Ovechkin still playing), then Petry on their blueline for 2 years at $2.344M cap hit is worth a TON. An absolute TON.

I'd want a first and an A prospect, or two firsts, or one first and two seconds.

Probably still great for Washington is Petry at 40% retained ($2.812M), and that should cost an unprotected first, PLUS a second or B+/A- prospect.

Another option I thought of is:

Petry 40% retained and Armia (15% retained) - total hit for Caps $5.7M times 2 years​

versus Mantha $5.7M for one year and a top-5 protected 1st rounder​

The basis of any deal has to start with agreement that:

Petry will really help you compete for the next 2 years​

Your player Mantha has negative value,​

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The deal I proposed gives you the money to add Petry and a competent defensive forward for no extra money.

So, the caps get no cap savings this year AND get additional cap next year AND they're sending a 1st ?


If Petry had positive value without retention the pens would have traded him and not been forced to dump him in this deal...

All I can say is whatever you smoke please share with the rest of us.

That's some brutal f***ing take right there.

 

[HuGort]

Armia and Petry are two players with targets on their backs. Hughes may be able to pull another rabbit out of his hat with Armia at TDL. He's a guy I could see us retaining on seeing Eddy will be off the books next year. In Petry's case I see no need to retain at all. His current salary puts him close enough to his true value as a puck moving RD.

Get more return for Petry though. If we retain.

 

[Rapala]

Get more return for Petry though. If we retain.

I'm good either way Armia is not a huge concern he can play a 4th line role and get moved next season if it means getting a 1st for Petry at TDL with retention.

 

[Scriptor]

Get more return for Petry though. If we retain.

Some are forgetting that there is a minimum roster size, no. Some of the lesser players you are removing for the lineup at 1.1M, or waiving at 742.5K need to be replaced by at least league minimum players. Where is the actual savings?

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Mantha isn't as bad as people say. He's just hurt.

Has he been hurt for the past 4 seasons ? That's how long he's been stagnating as a player. I'm not deadset against him or anything , but I don't think there's any other way to look at him as a player right now, he's plateaued.

 

[HuGort]

I'm good either way Armia is not a huge concern he can play a 4th line role and get moved next season if it means getting a 1st for Petry at TDL with retention.

Petry at 2.3m has good trade value. Sign Corey Perry and Armia is best bottom 6 forward in the NHL

 

[Runner77]

I'm good either way Armia is not a huge concern he can play a 4th line role and get moved next season if it means getting a 1st for Petry at TDL with retention.

While Armia is not a huge concern, he’s also useless. Looks to me that they’re stuck with him due to his contract still having two years to go. He might be tradeable on his final contract year, with retention.

 

[Tyson]

While Armia is not a huge concern, he’s also useless. Looks to me that they’re stuck with him due to his contract still having two years to go. He might be tradeable on his final contract year, with retention.

Now that Hoffman and Pitlick are gone, Armia is a prime candidate for waivers. He isn't an NHL player

 

[BLONG7]

Now that Hoffman and Pitlick are gone, Armia is a prime candidate for waivers. He isn't an NHL player

Armia will get 2 goals, and then nothing for 17 games..............it's crazy how he can show up just once every 20 games or so, and not get put upstairs.................man I would waive his butt all the way to Laval, and save 1.1M on the cap.............he's been just awful.
Got the MB retirement contract after a decent playoff run.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Armia will get 2 goals, and then nothing for 17 games..............it's crazy how he can show up just once every 20 games or so, and not get put upstairs.................man I would waive his butt all the way to Laval, and save 1.1M on the cap.............he's been just awful.
Got the MB retirement contract after a decent playoff run.

If you can’t show up to play under a coach like MSL, you shouldn’t be in the NHL. He’s just cashing in a paycheque at this point in his career. If he doesn’t show a pulse out of camp, I’d Alzner his ass.

 

[Scriptor]

Armia can be a 13th forward this year, if nothing materializes the trade front. The'll likely be able to move him next year at 1.7M. At that price, he's a decent forechecking energy 4th liner whois strong in puck possession and can keep the puck for longer periods of time in the O-Zone to wear out opposing Ds.

At 1,7M, even if he doesn't produce offensively, Armia can have a role on any team, really.

 

[1909]

Would you guys do:

Dvorak (50% retained)
Harris
Farrel
2nd

For

Lafreniere
Late pick

Yes. We still have Monahan, and Beck is not far away from NHL. Harris is redundent on LD. Farrell could be fine, but Habs have tons of smaller forwards. Lafrenière still have loads of potential like Dach has.

 

[Guy Larose]

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

We are over the cap by $5,171,666 with 27 guys counting against the cap. However, teams are allowed to start the season with a 20 man healthy roster.

Assume Dvorak and Price are hurt and on Regular IR. We can drop 5 guys in that case.

We waive Armia, saving $1,150,000.

We waive Allen or deSmith, saving $1,150,000.

We waive Wideman, saving $762,500.

We paper demote Harris, saving $1,150,000.

We paper demote Harvey-Pinard, saving $1,100,000

Total Savings $5,312,500

Now under cap by $140,834 with Price on the Cap. Deadline passes.

Next, Price is placed on LTIR and we can recall RHP and Harris to play in the first game. That's 22 healthy players on the roster for game 1.

We can also recall one of Armia, DeSmith or Wideman if we wanted to, but their days on the NHL roster will eat into the 30 days allowed before they need to clear waivers again to be sent down. We may not care about that.

Thanks!

I totally forgot about the fact that we can still cut the 1.15M by waiving 1 way contracts that exceed that amount. I also would not be surprised to see them explore trading Evans instead of waiving Armia as I think Hughes may be reluctant to take that route. I am not sure there would be any takers on Evans though.

I felt like I was missing something so thank you again for taking the time to point that out.

 

[jrom]

Now that Hoffman and Pitlick are gone, Armia is a prime candidate for waivers. He isn't an NHL player

He is a NHL player, it’s just that he’s a bottom 6 player overpaid for what he brings.

 

[Tyson]

Armia will get 2 goals, and then nothing for 17 games..............it's crazy how he can show up just once every 20 games or so, and not get put upstairs.................man I would waive his butt all the way to Laval, and save 1.1M on the cap.............he's been just awful.
Got the MB retirement contract after a decent playoff run.

I will reiterate my previous post- he isn't an NHL player.

 

[OldCraig71]

Now that Hoffman and Pitlick are gone, Armia is a prime candidate for waivers. He isn't an NHL player

He can be so much more but doesn't give more than 20-30 percent effort. Has size, a great shot and is a decent skater, should be a 20-goal man but he just dgaf.

 

[Runner77]

I will reiterate my previous post- he isn't an NHL player.

Reminds me of this ex-Hab who was just frustrating to watch:

 

[BaseballCoach]

I will reiterate my previous post- he isn't an NHL player.

Who, Armia? Armia is an NHL player, significantly overpaid. We'd have no issue if he was making Rem Pitlick-ish money.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Who, Armia? Armia is an NHL player, significantly overpaid. We'd have no issue if he was making Rem Pitlick-ish money.

Armia is a worthless turd who will only show up when his next contract is comig up.

 

[DAChampion]

Who, Armia? Armia is an NHL player, significantly overpaid. We'd have no issue if he was making Rem Pitlick-ish money.

Has there ever not been a bogeyman?

 

[Gustave]

Reminds me of this other ex-Hab who was just frustrating to watch:

Might be my favorite HF gif, only second to the one where all of the foxhole are « dancing » to the Kazakh (or whatev) metal circle

 

[Runner77]

Might be my favorite HF gif, only second to the one where all of the foxhole are « dancing » to the Kazakh (or whatev) metal circle

This?