HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80
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At this point, I'd be willing to make a move for Girard involving Dvorak, but I'd definitely want to add a contract that goes beyond this year and is not in the Habs' plans in order to pull the trigger.
For example, maybe that becomes Dvorak + Hoffman + Norlinder or Dvorak + Savard + Norlinder for Girard.
Obviously, Girard would get a RD spot, even as a lefty -- and be our PP QB.
Edmundson - Girard
Matheson - Barron
Harris/Guhle - Wideman
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The 5 years left at 5M, for Girard, are not a problem in the least, IMO.
It definitely adds puck movement and PP acumen to the lineup and doesn't prevent Mailloux or some other RD to be added to the picture.
Girard will only be turning 29 at the end of his contract and can be moved along the way for a valuable asset in return if there is too much congestion on D.
In a crunch, Harris can play RD on a 3rd pairing if there is an injury to a righty.
Who cares if that's the plus, really. We can't sign everyone we draft...
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Exactly. Banking those picks will in part become trading currency.
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I know I'm thinking too far ahead, but I'm really wondering how the habs can fetch more first round pick at the trade deadline. I really love to see how a GM can extract value from his roster. I'm still very bitter of Gainey who wouldn't discuss contract during the season. That was so bad. A lot of poster here seems to hate Bergevin, but for me, Gainey was worse (I'm not talking about Gauthier and Houle...).
So I don't expect a very fun trade deadline. There's really only Dadonov and Monahan that could be traded easily at the trade deadline. The other players that could be traded (Hoffman, Anderson, Dvorak, Armia, Edmunson, Savard) either has negative value or too big of a contract to be easily traded at the trade deadline.
...and for the beginning of the season, I think it'll be hard to shed cap space to take full advantage of the dibs on the waiver wire. I'm having trouble to imagine how HuGo can extract value from a lot of the dead wood and get some cap space. Maybe they'll waive the worst forward to try to get rid of him. In fact, I think Hoffman or Armia might get waived. Even if the Monahan trade put them against the cap, it was really worth it. Reading the conditions of the first pick they got really help me get to sleep. Now I'm at peace with myself that I can't fully understand it after 10 readings.
So I don't expect a very fun trade deadline. There's really only Dadonov and Monahan that could be traded easily at the trade deadline. The other players that could be traded (Hoffman, Anderson, Dvorak, Armia, Edmunson, Savard) either has negative value or too big of a contract to be easily traded at the trade deadline.
Probable - May be worth a first round pick
Dadonov, 50% retained, might fetch that (with a good season)
Not really probable - Really not sure it could be worth a first round pick
Monahan, 50% retained, if he tears it up this season, might fetch a first round pick
Dvorak, if he has a good season
Improbable - Not worth a first round pick
Allen, 50% retained, if the goalie market is totally f***ed up, might fetch that (very low probability)
Drouin, 50% retained, if he tears it up and stay healthy
Anderson (I doubt a first round would be coming back if he gets traded)
Armia (negative value)
Gallagher (negative value)
Gallagher (negative value)
Hoffman (not worth that much)
Edmundson (not worth that much)
...and for the beginning of the season, I think it'll be hard to shed cap space to take full advantage of the dibs on the waiver wire. I'm having trouble to imagine how HuGo can extract value from a lot of the dead wood and get some cap space. Maybe they'll waive the worst forward to try to get rid of him. In fact, I think Hoffman or Armia might get waived. Even if the Monahan trade put them against the cap, it was really worth it. Reading the conditions of the first pick they got really help me get to sleep. Now I'm at peace with myself that I can't fully understand it after 10 readings.
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none are worth a first round. Dadonov was having a good season and yet he was still given aay for free. Nobody wanted him as well.
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Depends on context. A team that limps into the playoffs with a decimated corps of wingers might spend the first, especially if the gm has a pattern of squandering his firsts and feels his star players have one last shot at a Cup. Also depends on how rational the owner is.
There is no such thing as a perfect market that values every player consistently. The value is the highest one of the 31 others will pay.
Edmundson is at least worth what Chiarotten was worth. Of the two, he's a better player and younger. However, he's not a clear rentals with an extra year to his contract, However, the team acquiring him, if they have the Cap room freeing up next season, can ride Edmundson into the playoffs and throughout next year, then decide if they recoup a 1st rounder at the deadline that year or ride him through the playoffs again, maybe re-signing him before the deadline instead..
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Chiarot is a prime example of that. How many thought he could fetch a 1st, let alone unprotected? You never know.
Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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Plus a prospect.
Though, I think getting the unprotected 1st is a bit of luck given how they dealt their previous 1st as conditional
Legend123
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i doubt it. Chariot had the playoff reputation that Ed doesnt have. With Chariot, it was a fail as he sucked and his team as well. I doubt teams gonna fail for it again. Chariot type of players will get 2nds
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All depends on the market. Market changes all the time.
Same goes for Anderson if they want to trade him. Anderson value next year may be higher than his value this year if teams have more cap + he plays well + cap rise etc
I'd keep him for now considering what other wingers are going for. Then see what the market looks like for him next year
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This doozie from a NY Post article from Sept. 6th, about how Montreal is a potential landing spot for Lundkvist:
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The Canadiens’ right side isn’t particularly jammed with David Savard at the top followed by borderline prospect Justin Barron and veteran Chris Wideman. Lundkvist could certainly challenge for a role there.
The Post’s Larry Brooks reported the Rangers are aiming for somewhat of an equal return for Lundkvist. Given the Rangers’ current cap situation, the club would likely target a prospect or a young player on a cheaper entry-level contract.
The Canadiens could offer left-handed defenseman Jordan Harris, who has 10 NHL games to his name and could add to the pool of talent on the left side. Everyone knows the Rangers are lacking at center depth, however, so 20-year-old Jan Mysak may be the more enticing option in Montreal’s pipeline.
The article is behind a paywall but the above excerpt was lifted from the Rangers’ forum: How did it go wrong for Nils Lundkvist and the Rangers —and where do they go from here?
So, according to the writer of the above, Mollie Walker, Jordan Barron is just a “borderline prospect.”
Harris also plays the right side but that doesn’t count in her assessment. Harris is however, in the same breath, good enough as a trade return.
And no mention of Mailloux — yes, Mailloux has lost development time but he’s not out of the running yet. Lane Hutson shouldn’t be completely ignored either.
Montreal
The Canadiens’ right side isn’t particularly jammed with David Savard at the top followed by borderline prospect Justin Barron and veteran Chris Wideman. Lundkvist could certainly challenge for a role there.
The Post’s Larry Brooks reported the Rangers are aiming for somewhat of an equal return for Lundkvist. Given the Rangers’ current cap situation, the club would likely target a prospect or a young player on a cheaper entry-level contract.
The Canadiens could offer left-handed defenseman Jordan Harris, who has 10 NHL games to his name and could add to the pool of talent on the left side. Everyone knows the Rangers are lacking at center depth, however, so 20-year-old Jan Mysak may be the more enticing option in Montreal’s pipeline.
The article is behind a paywall but the above excerpt was lifted from the Rangers’ forum: How did it go wrong for Nils Lundkvist and the Rangers —and where do they go from here?
So, according to the writer of the above, Mollie Walker, Jordan Barron is just a “borderline prospect.”
Harris also plays the right side but that doesn’t count in her assessment. Harris is however, in the same breath, good enough as a trade return.
And no mention of Mailloux — yes, Mailloux has lost development time but he’s not out of the running yet. Lane Hutson shouldn’t be completely ignored either.
HuGort
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I would if they gave us Lindell. He's good player. If Florida took somebody like Hoffman in deal also.
I would offer Ylonen and Fairbrother. We are deep on physical left D. I think that is a fair offer
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These fan forums give rise to the biggest variances. Some on the Rangers forum would settle for Mysak while others think we’re desperate and they “don’t want to do Gorton any favors”, so that means Ghule is a fair ask in their minds.
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Habs Icing
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It's gotten so bad that his wife, Past Incrimantions, is contemplating divorce....we've bounced ol' Future around enough...kid needs a break...
I'm not sure I do Mysak for Lundqvist - I would much rather move a roster forward (Evans specifically)....we are going to need a few players to hit in 1-2 years when these expiring contracts lapse. Evans is a good player, but our forward roster right now is packed, especially at centre.
SlafySZN
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Yeah, guys like Mysak, or Beck in about 2 years could take Evans’ spot pretty easily.
Sterling Archer
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Mysak could probably step into a 4th line role this year. But given the current center depth, Evans would be a 13th forward anyways.
Anderson's value will be high, but during the offseason when teams can maneuver to make Cap room, not at the deadline with so many years remaining on his contract.
I agree. Fair(brother) offer.
I'd be amenable to moving Evans and holding back 200K on the three remaining years of his contract (1.5M moves to the rangers as a result).
Enough depth at C with Suzuki, Dvorak, Dach, Monahan and both Pitlick and Byron that could play 4th line C).
Mysak has more upside than Evans, in the long run, IMO.
BLONG7
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This will all come down to the deadline, and a teams injury issues etc Supply vs Demand is a crazy slippery slope.
None of us in our wildest dreams thought Ben Chairot would fetch a 1st..................and he did.
...Evans is the type of Bottom Six C that a team needs; talented enough to thrive in the role & young enough to still grow in it...giving up on him would be a massive mistake, imo, unless the offer he was involved in was a massive win for us...
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