Roman Yoshi
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I don't think it is a bad deal. I think it is a bad deal for this team. At this particular moment.
He also said he didn't want to give out long term deals. Of course, reality hits you fast. Star players don't take short term deals these days.Isn’t this the same guy who basically said being stuck in the mushy middle doesn’t work? I’d really like to understand how he squares this contract with that thinking.
Askarov is most overrated. He never performes in key moments till now.Brutal. This is brutal. As if we resigned him for 8 years. Brutal brutal brutal.
Can’t wait to see askarov go off and win vezinas with another team.
Good job.Brutal. This is brutal. As if we resigned him for 8 years. Brutal brutal brutal.
Can’t wait to see askarov go off and win vezinas with another team.
Good job.Brutal. This is brutal. As if we resigned him for 8 years. Brutal brutal brutal.
Can’t wait to see askarov go off and win vezinas with another team.
It's terrible news to wake up to, that's for sure. It's 2 years too long, and $1M too much on AAV. I would have simply let Saros walk before I'd have offered this deal, and I'm extremely disappointed that Trotz was so weak on this negotiation. And that's even assuming there is no NMC anywhere in the contract. If there is, then Trotz needs to be chained to Suter when he gets launched out of that cannon. It does not bode well at all for the future of the franchise if Trotz is going to fumble the ball on easy plays like this.Brutal. This is brutal. As if we resigned him for 8 years. Brutal brutal brutal.
Can’t wait to see askarov go off and win vezinas with another team.
As we’ve discussed before I don’t think this was anything Trotz necessarily fumbled. It was a contract something like this, trade him, or walk. Hoping Trotz could magically pull of some well below market contract was always a fantasy in my opinion.It's terrible news to wake up to, that's for sure. It's 2 years too long, and $1M too much on AAV. I would have simply let Saros walk before I'd have offered this deal, and I'm extremely disappointed that Trotz was so weak on this negotiation. And that's even assuming there is no NMC anywhere in the contract. If there is, then Trotz needs to be chained to Suter when he gets launched out of that cannon. It does not bode well at all for the future of the franchise if Trotz is going to fumble the ball on easy plays like this.
Trade him or wait out the year/walk were obvious enough alternatives that it 100% counts as a fumble. There was no pressure whatsoever on Trotz to put Saros under contract for 9 more seasons.As we’ve discussed before I don’t think this was anything Trotz necessarily fumbled. It was a contract something like this, trade him, or walk. Hoping Trotz could magically pull of some well below market contract was always a fantasy in my opinion.
Also missed in last nights madness is that Saros finished 5th in Vezina voting somehow.
It's a bigger fumble if he walks for nothing or gets a sub-par return (to think that Saros under $8m is too much $$ is a pretty hot take as well). Clearly he wasn't getting offered value that he wanted - we don't know what was being offered, but Trotz has been having these discussions with every team that needed a goalie for over a year.Trade him or wait out the year/walk were obvious enough alternatives that it 100% counts as a fumble. There was no pressure whatsoever on Trotz to put Saros under contract for 9 more seasons.
It’s another one of those mantras we heard from Trotz in his early pressers that seems to have fallen by the wayside. No more retirement contracts? Guess not. My confidence continues to be eroded.
The NHL awards voting just continues to be laughable.
I definitely don’t believe we could have traded Saros for good value, at least. I’m with you on that part of things. It’s not the lack of a trade that bothers me. I just think Saros wanted to stay here badly enough that we could have played hardball in negotiations and gotten lower term in particular.It's a bigger fumble if he walks for nothing or gets a sub-par return (to think that Saros under $8m is too much $$ is a pretty hot take as well). Clearly he wasn't getting offered value that he wanted - we don't know what was being offered, but Trotz has been having these discussions with every team that needed a goalie for over a year.
The fans and people on this board set an unrealistic expectation for what Saros could be traded for, and GMBT determined that the Nashville Predators are a better team right now with Juuse Saros than they would be if they traded him. Simple as that
It's 2 years too long, and $1M too much on AAV. I would have simply let Saros walk before I'd have offered this deal, and I'm extremely disappointed that Trotz was so weak on this negotiation. And that's even assuming there is no NMC anywhere in the contract. If there is, then Trotz needs to be chained to Suter when he gets launched out of that cannon. It does not bode well at all for the future of the franchise if Trotz is going to fumble the ball on easy plays like this.
The Saros contract is horrific on its own, completely independent of the unknowable Askarov variable.
If it's 2 yrs too long and $1M AAV too much, then I suppose that's not literally "horrific"... I think we could argue the same degree of overpayment numbers (or worse, even much worse) would be true of several past Preds contracts. Schenn's was probably 2 yrs too long and $1M too much also... is that killing us? No. And that's for a #6/7D, not the #1G.Generally speaking, I'm content to wait to see the full picture that Trotz paints.
That said, while a 6yr/$6.5M contract would certainly be more ideal from a Nashville Predators' perspective, I'm hard-pressed to see this contract as horrific. A $7.5M AAV for a near-elite starting goaltender is not unreasonable and that's before accounting for the league moving into a period of growth for the salary cap (placing him 6th for goalies, and likely 7th once Shesterkin signs his contract).
Regarding the quote on retirement contracts, I don't recall its exact wording and didn't find it with a very quick and very cursory search. There is, however, a big difference on being willing to offer a "retirement contract" for a player with a lot of history with a club, where their work ethic has been on display day-in-and-day-out, versus offering that same contract to an unknown (to the club) free agent.
And even none of that matters when an opportunity arises with "that" (R)FA (whomever that may be for that GM). For example, if Trotz was to swing a crazy trade with Toronto with Marner, or Edmonton with Draisaitl, you can bet they would get 7 year contracts (or 8 if of sign-and-trade variety).
Well, his contract would dissolve and he'd get nothing and we'd owe nothing if he fully retired.Can any cap experts clarify what happens if Saros calls it quits before the contract is up? What if at 36 with 4 years left, he runs out of juice (pun intended) and retires?
Got it - only way I could see that in theory is if the wheels REALLY fell off and it came down to "retire or we're waiving you and sending you to Milwaukee" but wow I hope it doesn't come to that. The LTIRetire piece is a nice protection if needed.Well, his contract would dissolve and he'd get nothing and we'd owe nothing if he fully retired.
But players basically never do that. Why would he throw away $30M? Instead players "LTIRetire", like Shea Weber did, going on LTIR for the last few years, still collecting their money, still with a Cap hit charged to their team (albeit one which can be replaced on the Cap if needed).