Trade Ideas

[wingfan]

I'm not going to be thrilled if we give up a bunch of assets for Alex f***ing Debrincat and not a top six center.

 

[ricky0034]

if he wants 8+ AND Ottawa isn't even letting teams negotiate with him before a trade then that trade better be damn near free

 

[Henkka]

Veleno/Zadina + 1st round 17th overall ?

I would not cry after that, if he'll sign 1M less than Larkin.

Then trade for Keller after this.
He would be the "kane" for DeBrincat.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

if he wants 8+ AND Ottawa isn't even letting teams negotiate with him before a trade then that trade better be damn near free

This. There is zero point in trading for a guy that is going to make himself unsignable.

If they allow Detroit to negotiate upfront then a 2nd this year then the lower of Boston's 1st next year or Detroit's 1st next year.

 

[Henkka]

8.5/8.75M per is a hometown discount ?

That is full ‘as marked pricing’, with no haggle and about 15% inflation on top.

For that price I’m looking for a Dog… not a cat.

Many formulas show +9M or even 10M for him.

That's why they are discussing about a "problem", Debincat getting more than Larkin.

So finally, do you guys understand how important it was to get Larkin as a bit of bargain....?

This is a perfect example.

There's already a speculation how Larkin is setting a "cap" for possible winger teammate. Who would have been possibly overpaid - but - is interested of the home market. And has to take a discount, because the Team Captain took less and the guy with a possible overpayment on his mind doesn't dare to take more.

This is how Yzerman built Tampa and this is exactly the same way he is gonna build Detroit.

Keep the math, hierarchy cap structure in your own hands.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Many formulas show +9M or even 10M for him.

That's why they are discussing about a "problem", Debincat getting more than Larkin.

So finally, do you guys understand how important it was to get Larkin as a bit of bargain....?

This is a perfect example.

There's already a speculation how Larkin is setting a "cap" for possible winger teammate. Who would have been possibly overpaid - but - is interested of the home market. And has to take a discount, because the Team Captain took less and the guy with a possible overpayment on his mind doesn't dare to take more.

This is how Yzerman built Tampa and this is exactly the same way he is gonna build Detroit.

Keep the math, hierarchy cap structure in your own hands.

10 million for a player that was never once even a point per game? That seems broken.

 

[Henkka]

10 million for a player that was never once even a point per game? That seems broken.

Why did Auston Matthews got that damn 11.6M...

DeBrincat scored 69 goals at same 2 seasons when Matthews scored 71 before the contract. Less assists, but it goes there, on those days relatively as a comparable.

Still think that Matthews deal was insane overpayment.

Some other overpayments will lead to next wave of overpayments. Greedy agents will make those asks on contract negotiations.

If you can somehow avoid this..., then gooood.

 

[norrisnick]

Why did Auston Matthews got that damn 11.6M...

DeBrincat scored 69 goals at same 2 seasons when Matthews scored 71 before the contract. Less assists, but it goes there, on those days relatively as a comparable.

Still think that Matthews deal was insane overpayment.

Some other overpayments will lead to next wave of overpayments. Greedy agents will make those asks on contract negotiations.

If you can somehow avoid this..., then gooood.

You're comparing a 5'8" one-dimensional winger with a 6'3" defensively sound center.

There is no comparing the two players.

You should be barking at Panarin and the Rangers.

Here is the list of top end contracts of the sub 5'10" forwards in the league. DeBrincat definitely does not belong in the top half of that list.

 

[jkutswings]

Dorion: Hi Steve. What do you think about a Debrincat trade?

Yzerman: Hi Pierre. I think that's worth a conversation.

Dorion: Alex has several teams he is interested in, and he's an incredibly talented...

Yzerman: Cut to the chase, Pierre.

Dorion: We're asking a first and second this year, a second next year, and all signs point to him looking north of $9M AAV on his next deal.

*Yzerman glowers*
*Dorion wilts*

Dorion: Ok ok. Just a first this year and if you lean on him you can probably get him for $7-7.5M AAV.

Yzerman: Pleasure doing business with you, Pierre.

 

[Gniwder]

8.5 to 8.75 isn't really a discount.

7.25 to 7.75 for DeBrincat. Any higher and it's too pricey for me. Again I use Fiala as a comparable. Better winger that got 7.875 and just had his second consecutive point per game season.

I'd rather overpay DeBrincat than Copp, Chiarot, and Zadina, lol. That being said, I'd also rather overpay for a more complete player. He doesn't do much for me.

We're spending a lot of time discussing a trade that Stevie isn't gonna do, but I suppose that's what happens when a team misses the playoffs 7 years in a row, and probably 8.

The biggest splashes Stevie has made are trading players away, his biggest acquisition is Copp in free agency. A trade for Debrincat doesn't fit his MO. If he wanted to win right away, it would have made more sense to trade Kasper for Horvat, instead of trading for a small winger. Building through the draft is a slow process.

BTW, just realized 8 seasons without playoffs would tie the team for #6 on the all time list.

 

[SirloinUB]

The more I think about it, the more I’d like to see yzerman weaponize his cap space.

Could we trade a 2nd (or two) for 11th plus a contract Vancouver wants to get out from?

What would Edmonton move to get out of a yamomoto/Ceci/Campbell contract?

 

[norrisnick]

The more I think about it, the more I’d like to see yzerman weaponize his cap space.

Could we trade a 2nd (or two) for 11th plus a contract Vancouver wants to get out from?

What would Edmonton move to get out of a yamomoto/Ceci/Campbell contract?

Big brain move is to trade for Myers at the draft.
Pay his $5M signing bonus in July.
Then trade him to Arizona or someone else in desperate need of hitting the floor so they get $6M in caphit for only $1M in actual money.

Should get decent assets on both ends of that.

 

[Holden Caufield]

If he wanted to win right away, it would have made more sense to trade Kasper for Horvat, instead of trading for a small winger. Building through the draft is a slow process.

Going out on a limb here and saying he probably did try to trade for Horvat. (It was reported at the time)

The timing of that random Hronek to Canucks Trade…. I bet that seed was planted because his name came up in Horvat negotiation a couple weeks earlier.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Yeah, it'll probably be #3-4 money in 4-5 years.

Term is a bit less scary for D.

And yes, Boqvist should get a look. We can give the BJs a 3rd back so they basically swapped Boqvist for Severson.

They'd want more than a 3rd.

 

[norrisnick]

They'd want more than a 3rd.

I shifted to Peeke on the main trade board thread. They're happy with a 2nd for him. Steady RHD at $2.75m for three more years? Hard to beat that.

Be big and get puck to Ed. Simple enough.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

I'd be ok with that.

 

[Hoog]

The more I think about it, the more I’d like to see yzerman weaponize his cap space.

Could we trade a 2nd (or two) for 11th plus a contract Vancouver wants to get out from?

What would Edmonton move to get out of a yamomoto/Ceci/Campbell contract?

I love me some Xavier Bourgault and Klim Kostin. How about we take soups contract and those 2 for our third second rounder or 3rd rounder?

 

[GreatGordie9]

I want to see Gudas, Keller, and Debrincat sign with Detroit. Travis Konecny another option. If Debrincat signs with Detroit he won't be wearing #12. That number was Sid Abel's and is in the rafters.

 

[K1900L]

You're comparing a 5'8" one-dimensional winger with a 6'3" defensively sound center.

There is no comparing the two players.

You should be barking at Panarin and the Rangers.

Here is the list of top end contracts of the sub 5'10" forwards in the league. DeBrincat definitely does not belong in the top half of that list.

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DeBrincat isn't a one-dimensional winger. He is a 200ft player who can make plays happen. Skill wise he was a top 3 forward for Ottawa all season long, take into consideration that this was a down season for him as well. On a team that is more skilled offensively than Detroit.
If he should join the Red Wings, he will rather quickly challenge Larkin as the most skillful forward on this team, not even taking into consideration his goal scoring ability.

That being said, I‘m not paying him $9M, let alone $10M either. This is top 10 centerman money and there are maybe 3 wingers who are this valuable.

 

[Gniwder]

Going out on a limb here and saying he probably did try to trade for Horvat. (It was reported at the time)

The timing of that random Hronek to Canucks Trade…. I bet that seed was planted because his name came up in Horvat negotiation a couple weeks earlier.

I'm sure they talked, and you're probably right that Hronek's name was involved. I think the problem is that Stevie didn't want to trade Kasper, maybe offered up Suter and/or Veleno. Just guessing.

I any case, Stevie didn't beat NYI's offer, so he couldn't have been that serious. It's a shame Stevie didn't pick Raty, a Horvat/Larkin combo at center should be enough to get a team into the playoffs.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

DeBrincat isn't a one-dimensional winger. He is a 200ft player who can make plays happen. Skill wise he was a top 3 forward for Ottawa all season long, take into consideration that this was a down season for him as well. On a team that is more skilled offensively than Detroit.
If he should join the Red Wings, he will rather quickly challenge Larkin as the most skillful forward on this team, not even taking into consideration his goal scoring ability.

That being said, I‘m not paying him $9M, let alone $10M either. This is top 10 centerman money and there are maybe 3 wingers who are this valuable.

9M is not top 10 centerman money. And if it is now, it won't be in a year.

 

[Snuggs]

9M is not top 10 centerman money. And if it is now, it won't be in a year.

Yeah, people need to get that in their minds now. Top ten players at any position outside of goalie are going to start commanding/asking for 10 million. NHL is one of the leagues where there isn't a player near the cap payroll limit (20%). Which for next years cap would be something like 16 million plus!

Cap's not going up huge this year, (83.5M) but the following years NHL could/should see significant increase in cap from revenue gains. (A good thing). Something along the lines of a 10-12 million dollar increase.

Salary Cap Increase Could Be Larger Than Expected

Salary Cap Increase Could Be Larger Than Expected

www.prohockeyrumors.com

Explains a little better.

Alot of players like Copp will get multi-year deals for 5-6 million, guys like DeBrincat will get 7-9 million on multi-year deals. We're going to see weird money thrown at bad players this year, and even next on short-term stuff while teams wait for the cap to expand. (Not Wings exclusively just saying in-general, league wide.) Auston Matthews contract will be incredible, should easily be over 125 million. Then likely topped by McDavid.

 

[lilidk]

There's no reason to make big trades if we are not going to make playoffs anyway. One more bad year will help in the long run.

 

[norrisnick]

There's no reason to make big trades if we are not going to make playoffs anyway. One more bad year will help in the long run.

The theory is that a big trade should get us to the playoffs.

 

[HisNoodliness]

Honestly, I can live with Debrincat at 8.5. He's a scorer that we desperately need and for players that put up 30+ goals, I think that's going to be the going rate if not a discount.

However if we're signing him to that huge deal, I can't justify trading big assets for him. 17th OA or Boston's first next year and Albert Johansson or something is as far as I go for adding Cat at 8.5*8