Trade Ideas

[Detroit Knights]

Seravalli said on his Daily Faceoff Live show that Detroit has been engaged on PLD.

I wouldn't doubt we engaged. It would probably be malpractice if yzerman didn't at least call because he always follows up on a lead regardless, but I don't see that going anywhere at all tbh

or it is a blockbuster trade where it hurts and feels good at the same time and we get Connor or helly included. Obviously not happening but whatevs I said it.

Shit ....Debrincat,killorn and kubalik on the top 6

Take notice NHL

massively better than what we iced last year.

Damn you a hater lmao. These are the wings fans that just don't make sense to me...ever.

Also, Kubalik is good enough to play up there but you can't keep moving him up and down the lineup like other players are able to do. He's the type that if he stays where he is at then he will do great. The uncertainty probably fuc*s with him.

 

[Frk It]

Please get us PLD or Lindholm Steve, come on. Need Larkin/Lindholm or Larkin/PLD in my life.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

DeBrincat has scored the 16th most goals, 30th in points and has the 46th most points per game over the course of the last 5 seasons.

Players in those ranges (+/- 2) for these categories:

Goals
Jake Guentzel
Mark Schiefele
Alex DeBrincat
John Tavares
Matt Tkachuk

Points
Claude Giroux
Elias Pettersson
Alex DeBrincat
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Blake Wheeler

Points per game:
Vlad Tarasenko
William Nylander
Alex DeBrincat
Dylan Larkin
Sean Coutourier

While by no means would I consider him a franchise player I'd still work a trade for the guy. Some combination of 2nd round picks this year and/or the Boston pick next year. He's only 25. Barring any major injuries we should get 5-6 solid scoring years out of him next to Dylan Larkin.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I wouldn't doubt we engaged. It would probably be malpractice if yzerman didn't at least call because he always follows up on a lead regardless, but I don't see that going anywhere at all tbh

or it is a blockbuster trade where it hurts and feels good at the same time and we get Connor or helly included. Obviously not happening but whatevs I said it.


massively better than what we iced last year.

Damn you a hater lmao. These are the wings fans that just don't make sense to me...ever.

Also, Kubalik is good enough to play up there but you can't keep moving him up and down the lineup like other players are able to do. He's the type that if he stays where he is at then he will do great. The uncertainty probably fuc*s with him.

I think Kubalik stays with Larkin after his WC performance and how he played last year. He kept getting jerked around because Bert could only produce with Larkin.

That's also the reason why we desperately need a real 2c. If we don't trade for Lindholm I think we'll sign O'Reilly to a short term just to hold the spot for Kasper.

I'd love to see a Berggren-Lindholm-Raymond second line, but damn would it be tiny on the wings.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Seravalli said on his Daily Faceoff Live show that Detroit has been engaged on PLD.

Gross.

Is it from a retention standpoint? Do not want him in a winged wheel.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

I would put kubalik on the first, then killorn on the second if anything.

Not a fan of adding killorn, but I'm not against it either so idk

I am not a fan of adding Killorn either, but if we do add him, I like him with Larkin and Cat way more than Kubalik.

With Kubalik, you are just doubling up another sniper type, who is only ok defensivley. With Killorn, you are getting a much grittier player who will do a much better job of swating the flies off Larkin and Cat and plays a much better defensive game to help out Cat.

 

[letsgowings9999]

I wouldn't doubt we engaged. It would probably be malpractice if yzerman didn't at least call because he always follows up on a lead regardless, but I don't see that going anywhere at all tbh

or it is a blockbuster trade where it hurts and feels good at the same time and we get Connor or helly included. Obviously not happening but whatevs I said it.


massively better than what we iced last year.

Damn you a hater lmao. These are the wings fans that just don't make sense to me...ever.

Also, Kubalik is good enough to play up there but you can't keep moving him up and down the lineup like other players are able to do. He's the type that if he stays where he is at then he will do great. The uncertainty probably fuc*s with him.

Lmao I'm trying to be realistic man. I want cups not the 13th pick . Killorn is like 34 isnt he? Were no where near as good as Tampa signing him to 5-6 yrs makes no sense. I'd be beyond shocked to see kubalik back after next season

Those 3 guys in the top 6 wont move the needle. Raymond breaking out for 70+ will,kasper showing up as a two way force putting up 50 as a rookie and so on will. Edvinsson playing 20+ a night etc...

Adding the veterans now makes zero sense unless you want to give fans false hopes. I'd much rather get aggressive this draft and move up and get top notch prospects and end up with picks 9&12&23 in the first 2 rounds let's say than dealing picks and prospects and then giving debrincat 8.5 x7 when we'll possibly go nowhere for 2-3 seasons

 

[Detroit Knights]

I think Kubalik stays with Larkin after his WC performance and how he played last year. He kept getting jerked around because Bert could only produce with Larkin.

That's also the reason why we desperately need a real 2c. If we don't trade for Lindholm I think we'll sign O'Reilly to a short term just to hold the spot for Kasper.

I'd love to see a Berggren-Lindholm-Raymond second line, but damn would it be tiny on the wings.

If that is the case with kubalik/bert then I am happy with bert leaving. As I said throughout the season (and the WC just absolutely proved what I said), we need Kubalik on PP1 above the dot waiting for the one timer like Ovi. He literally has a similar-lite shot and has the power behind. If you guys go to youtube and look up all of his goals this past year and just watch the ones with that one-timer (pp or no pp) his shot is pretty damn good.

Now...if we could just make sure perron was on pp2 or something and change him for someone else like Raymond or shit idk DEBRINCAT, we could have a pp that averages above 25-27% once in a while......

 

[letsgowings9999]

Gross.

Is it from a retention standpoint? Do not want him in a winged wheel.

Dont worry he loves poutine too much. Hes going back home

 

[Detroit Knights]

Gross.

Is it from a retention standpoint? Do not want him in a winged wheel.

if my spidey senses are correct, he is RFA, so no retention :/ and I believe he is asking like 8 mil a year or something too.

Summon the gods for him to go to LA....hummmmmmmmmm

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

if my spidey senses are correct, he is RFA, so no retention :/ and I believe he is asking like 8 mil a year or something too.

Summon the gods for him to go to LA....hummmmmmmmmm

I wonder what LA could realistically send to Winnipeg for him.

 

[Detroit Knights]

I am not a fan of adding Killorn either, but if we do add him, I like him with Larkin and Cat way more than Kubalik.

With Kubalik, you are just doubling up another sniper type, who is only ok defensivley. With Killorn, you are getting a much grittier player who will do a much better job of swating the flies off Larkin and Cat and plays a much better defensive game to help out Cat.

I see what you are saying. two snipers and a playmaker would still be beneficial but I am under the belief you need a horse (larkin/killorn), a playmaker (larkin/Berggren?), and a sniper (debrincat) on at the very minimum top 6 lines.

So I guess I agree, but idk how much of a horse killorn could be at his advanced stage in life...idk like i said, kind of indifferent I suppose

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

If that is the case with kubalik/bert then I am happy with bert leaving. As I said throughout the season (and the WC just absolutely proved what I said), we need Kubalik on PP1 above the dot waiting for the one timer like Ovi. He literally has a similar-lite shot and has the power behind. If you guys go to youtube and look up all of his goals this past year and just watch the ones with that one-timer (pp or no pp) his shot is pretty damn good.

Now...if we could just make sure perron was on pp2 or something and change him for someone else like Raymond or shit idk DEBRINCAT, we could have a pp that averages above 25-27% once in a while......

Have you guys forgotten all the swings and misses we got from Kubalik last year in the very role you describe? Guy is the hockey version of Javy Baez.

Maybe he turns it around, but he flubbed a ton of one timers last year.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Lmao I'm trying to be realistic man. I want cups not the 13th pick . Killorn is like 34 isnt he? Were no where near as good as Tampa signing him to 5-6 yrs makes no sense. I'd be beyond shocked to see kubalik back after next season

Those 3 guys in the top 6 wont move the needle. Raymond breaking out for 70+ will,kasper showing up as a two way force putting up 50 as a rookie and so on will. Edvinsson playing 20+ a night etc...

Adding the veterans now makes zero sense unless you want to give fans false hopes. I'd much rather get aggressive this draft and move up and get top notch prospects and end up with picks 9&12&23 in the first 2 rounds let's say than dealing picks and prospects and then giving debrincat 8.5 x7 when we'll possibly go nowhere for 2-3 seasons

I literally said I am indifferent to killorn. I wouldn't choose him but if we did then idk how i'd feel until I watch him play with us...I'd most likely like him on the 3rd line with someone like JT Compher as his center, but if we pay what killorn is most likely looking for, that is an expensive 3rd line.

 

[norrisnick]

Gross.

Is it from a retention standpoint? Do not want him in a winged wheel.

He doesn't have a contract. There is nothing to retain.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

If SY had to choose between tanking into another top-12 pick or signing Killorn and barely making the playoffs, I think he chooses the pick.

I don't know if Chris Ilitch would even allow him to waste money like that.

 

[jkutswings]

I wonder what LA could realistically send to Winnipeg for him.

Via TSN, the Winnipeg Press is claiming, "multiple pieces would be moving on both sides if the Jets can complete a deal with the Kings, with Gabe Vilardi and Alex Iafallo likely heading to Winnipeg as part of their return."

Off-Season Watch: Is Winnipeg Jets F Pierre-Luc Dubois bound for the Los Angeles Kings? | TSN

The Winnipeg Jets and Los Angeles Kings are reportedly continuing to work out the details on a trade that would see Pierre-Luc Dubois head to Hollywood. But the Montreal Canadiens aren't out of the sweepstakes just yet, either.

www.tsn.ca

 

[Detroit Knights]

I wonder what LA could realistically send to Winnipeg for him.

I read vilardi + iaffalo + something else.

I mean, vilardi is pretty good when he stays in the lineup and I believe both players are signed, so PLD would most likely be a sign and trade situation. I wouldn't trade a signed vilardi + for a 1 year PLD...

Have you guys forgotten all the swings and misses we got from Kubalik last year in the very role you describe? Guy is the hockey version of Javy Baez.

Maybe he turns it around, but he flubbed a ton of one timers last year.

if we are talking on the powerplay, who was passing it to him? it wasn't seider who is pretty good, usually, with his passes.

you get it in his wheel house, he's gripping and ripping the puck.

 

[SantosHalper]

Part of me hopes Yzerman is looking to trade his multiple 2nd's or even one of next year's 1st's for Debrincet

Couple weeks ago i saw on Ottawa's DeBrincat or trade thread that Dorion would accept 2024 1st's as well. I'd rather trade those.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Couple weeks ago i saw on Ottawa's DeBrincat or trade thread that Dorion would accept 2024 1st's as well. I'd rather trade those.

if that is the case, you send bos 1st next year and like a 5th this year + zadina and run away after they say yes.

Or do the billy beane and just hang up after they say ok...doesn't matter if they keep talking, you got your answer so end the call and move on

 

[Bench]

DeBrincat has scored the 16th most goals, 30th in points and has the 46th most points per game over the course of the last 5 seasons.

Players in those ranges (+/- 2) for these categories:

Goals
Jake Guentzel
Mark Schiefele
Alex DeBrincat
John Tavares
Matt Tkachuk

Points
Claude Giroux
Elias Pettersson
Alex DeBrincat
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Blake Wheeler

Points per game:
Vlad Tarasenko
William Nylander
Alex DeBrincat
Dylan Larkin
Sean Coutourier

While by no means would I consider him a franchise player I'd still work a trade for the guy. Some combination of 2nd round picks this year and/or the Boston pick next year. He's only 25. Barring any major injuries we should get 5-6 solid scoring years out of him next to Dylan Larkin.

You've clearly demonstrated why Ottawa gave up so much for him and why he's an exciting add from my perspective: He's a very good player. And this Red Wings team lacks very good players. So it's easy to convince me of the value here.

In reading through the pages and pages of posts about this, there's really two schools of thought.

1) Adding talent and sort out the rest as you go.
2) Lock down premium, elite players first and then move to adding wingers and such to "get over the hump."

There's a significant fear in group 2 that adding DeBrincat will stifle the acquisition of better players. Either due to the salary cap or simply rising out of top 10 draft picks.

And I just never understand group 2.

How many times have we drafted up threads projecting a roster 3-4 years out and literally half the players we slotted into the lineup are gone or washed out by that time?

I certainly had Vrana penciled in a bit longer.

I also don't understand the fear in adding talented players and, oh no, we have too many talented players! Trades happen. There's ways to negotiate around the cap if there comes a time hard decisions have to be made. "Cap hell" only exists if your team sucks and everyone has a high cap hit. But we've seen teams even negotiate around that.

The point is, worrying that DeBrincat moves the needle next year is so shortsighted. Keep adding good players as they become available, when you can. Not when it's perfect timing. You're never going to know when the timing is perfect.

One of the best scoring wingers is available today. Don't let the fear about this next season or two make it impossible to appreciate his playoff contributions in 3+ years are the real goal here.

And if you want a team that's been operating in that mode, it's Vegas. 3 years ago they added Petro in a controversial contract at the time for him. They acquired and kept guys like Stone and Marchessault in the core. They were aggressive and added a Eichel, not because he's the perfect #1 franchise center... Because he's a really good player. They kept adding really good players when they could and it all came together in a year nobody was picking them.

Add talent. Keep grinding. Stop trying to build the perfect scenario at the perfect time.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Just throwing it out there to see how people react...

Filip Forsberg

for

9OA

sources say trotz has one big move left he is working on......I am honestly considering loving the play. thots?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

You've clearly demonstrated why Ottawa gave up so much for him and why he's an exciting add from my perspective: He's a very good player. And this Red Wings team lacks very good players. So it's easy to convince me of the value here.

In reading through the pages and pages of posts about this, there's really two schools of thought.

1) Adding talent and sort out the rest as you go.
2) Lock down premium, elite players first and then move to adding wingers and such to "get over the hump."

There's a significant fear in group 2 that adding DeBrincat will stifle the acquisition of better players. Either due to the salary cap or simply rising out of top 10 draft picks.

And I just never understand group 2.

How many times have we drafted up threads projecting a roster 3-4 years out and literally half the players we slotted into the lineup are gone or washed out by that time?

I certainly had Vrana penciled in a bit longer.

I also don't understand the fear in adding talented players and, oh no, we have too many talented players! Trades happen. There's ways to negotiate around the cap if there comes a time hard decisions have to be made. "Cap hell" only exists if your team sucks and everyone has a high cap hit. But we've seen teams even negotiate around that.

The point is, worrying that DeBrincat moves the needle next year is so shortsighted. Keep adding good players as they become available, when you can. Not when it's perfect timing. You're never going to know when the timing is perfect.

One of the best scoring wingers is available today. Don't let the fear about this next season or two make it impossible to appreciate his playoff contributions in 3+ years are the real goal here.

And if you want a team that's been operating in that mode, it's Vegas. 3 years ago they added Petro in a controversial contract at the time for him. They acquired and kept guys like Stone and Marchessault in the core. They were aggressive and added a Eichel, not because he's the perfect #1 franchise center... Because he's a really good player. They kept adding really good players when they could and it all came together in a year nobody was picking them.

Add talent. Keep grinding. Stop trying to build the perfect scenario at the perfect time.

Stop being reasonable or I'm going to assume someone hacked your account.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Just throwing it out there to see how people react...

Filip Forsberg

for

9OA

sources say trotz has one big move left he is working on......I am honestly considering loving the play. thots?

Gross. He's scored approximately the same as DeBrincat over the last 5 years but health problems and the fact that he's going to be 29 soon make me not want it. Lifer contract that instead of 5-6 good years we might get 3.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Just throwing it out there to see how people react...

Filip Forsberg

for

9OA

sources say trotz has one big move left he is working on......I am honestly considering loving the play. thots?

I don't think I would trade 9OA unless a center was coming back.