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mikerooooose

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DeBrincat is what Zadina should have been. But, I would not be expecting to pay Zadina 9 mil a year if he lived up to his hype.

Seems pretty steep for a fairly one dimensional player. Even if it's a dimension we need. Haha.
 

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Don't see that happening. If Ottawa gets an underwhelming offer, they just keep him up until playoff trade deadline where someone will definitely pay, especially if he can go back to his normal shooting % this year (which is very likely with Norris coming back and probably centering his line). In fact, they could even get more for him then than now.
Not that simple.
What if Ottawa is contending for the playoffs? Tough look for the fans to be seen as a seller at the deadline. What if DeBrincat is injured mid season ?

Ottawa is also in rough shape against the cap next year if DeBrincat returns.
They also don’t have any draft picks this year until 4th round. This draft is a complete write off if they don’t trade DeBrincat before Wednesday.
 
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DeBrincat is what Zadina should have been. But, I would not be expecting to pay Zadina 9 mil a year if he lived up to his hype.
But I don't understand why anybody would think Detroit would be willing to pay him $9M a year. If it's public that Ottawa is taking him to arbitration to try to get his AAV down to $7.65M, why would the Wings pay significantly more?

If Debrincat comes here it's because he's willing to take about $8M annually, not $9M.
 

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So I suppose that prior to winning the Stanley Cup and Conn Smythe Trophy, Marchessault grew several inches in height and added several pounds from his listed 5'9" and 183?

Now I'm not saying there are never red flags with smaller skilled players. But it's certainly not impossible to be successful with having 1-2 of them in key roster positions, especially with the size Detroit is building on defense.
I dont know what your talking about regarding marchessault and his size
Is it 5'7 or 5'9 as listed? I dont care ,congrats you found one short player in 100 years who won an mvp

Redwings are nowhere near as good as Vegas and I stand by my remark that the wings will never win a cup with Larkin and debrincat on a top line leading the team

Are the wings building a nice defense? Yes even a nice goalie if cossa pans out. I'm a big believer in Matthew wood and I'd much rather draft him and have a 6'4 wood and raymond on the right side than 2 guys 6 feet under. Wont change my mind

I can understand fans being sick of losing as am I but I'm willing to stick it out a year or two if we contend for cups on a yearly basis,I'm not content with a participation ribbon
 
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jkutswings

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I dont know what your talking about regarding marchessault and his size
Is it 5'7 or 5'9 as listed? I dont care ,congrats you found one short player in 100 years who won an mvp

Redwings are nowhere near as good as Vegas and I stand by my remark that the wings will never win a cup with Larkin and debrincat on a top line leading the team

Are the wings building a nice defense? Yes even a nice goalie if cossa pans out. I'm a big believer in Matthew wood and I'd much rather draft him and have a 6'4 wood and raymond on the right side than 2 guys 6 feet under. Wont change my mind

I can understand fans being sick of losing as am I but I'm willing to stick it out a year or two if we contend for cups on a yearly basis,I'm not content with a participation ribbon
Nothing wrong with preferring one player/prospect over another. I was just refuting something as being completely impossible.
 

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Nothing wrong with preferring one player/prospect over another. I was just refuting something as being completely impossible.
Cant see us winning a cup with debrincat and larkin on the top line and short wingers on both top 6 lines . No clue what's on the left yet but buchelnikov is there I believe if he makes it

Can always get debrincat and deal raymond but I'd rather keep Lucas
 

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Let's say we trade 17th and 41st for Debrincat (for discussions sake). Additionally lets assume we sign some of the "better" UFAs. Ill go with Dumba, Killorn and Hill (I know vegas has extended him but this is just a thought exercise).

Debrincat Larkin Rasmussen
Killorn Copp Raymond
Berggren Kasper Kubalik
Zadina Veleno Acccari

Walman Seider
Edvinsson Dumba
Maatta Chairot

Husso
Hill

To me that is a better roster but has the trajectory of the medium/long term improved *that* much? Id say not really and frankly it is probably leaning "best case scenario" in terms of Debrincat acquisition cost + adding additional talent.

I think the play is to continue being patient and build through the draft.
 
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Was his injury history a concern? Hell yeah. Were people saying he couldn't be a part of the future core due to his age?100%
Dude, people will say that guys like Raymond can't be part of the future core. Way too many here deem 24 as when a player's career is basically over. They're like "if you're not gonna win in three years, you might as well trade Raymond". You may as well rebuild the rebuild if you don't have your core after their ELCs expire.
 

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DeBrincat is what Zadina should have been. But, I would not be expecting to pay Zadina 9 mil a year if he lived up to his hype.

Seems pretty steep for a fairly one dimensional player. Even if it's a dimension we need. Haha.
If you look up DeBrincat's metrics he is not as one dimensional as fans here think. He isn't a Selke winner but he's not abysmal defensively. +/- on bad teams doesn't tell the whole story.
 

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But I don't understand why anybody would think Detroit would be willing to pay him $9M a year. If it's public that Ottawa is taking him to arbitration to try to get his AAV down to $7.65M, why would the Wings pay significantly more?

If Debrincat comes here it's because he's willing to take about $8M annually, not $9M.
Because a team is committing financial malfeasance if they're not trying to get the AAV way down in Arbitration. Like for TyBert and Vrana, the Wings offered like 2-3m to them each in the years when they got 4-5M at the end. Team always shoots very artificially low (but somewhat reasonable by the shittiest comparable) and the player artificially high (but somewhat reasonable by the high-end comparable).

Ottawa offered 7.65 and Debrincat wants his QO of 9M. If they don't trade him, the two probably end up at 8.325 unless Debrincat refuses to report or something.
 

letsgowings9999

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Dude, people will say that guys like Raymond can't be part of the future core. Way too many here deem 24 as when a player's career is basically over. They're like "if you're not gonna win in three years, you might as well trade Raymond". You may as well rebuild the rebuild if you don't have your core after their ELCs expire.
Your right, larkin should be dealt on draft weekend
 
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If we trade for DeBrincat, and sign Killorn, there are your first line wingers with Larkin next season, count on it.

Not sure how I feel about that, makes me uneasy.
 

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Yeah, at 9 million per I don't think Yzerman makes the trade. At that pay rate and higher you are looking at guys competing for the Vezina, Norris, Art Ross, etc. Or bad contracts like Jeff Skinner or lol Darnell Nurse lol Ken Holland.
 

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DeBrincat is what Zadina should have been. But, I would not be expecting to pay Zadina 9 mil a year if he lived up to his hype.

Seems pretty steep for a fairly one dimensional player. Even if it's a dimension we need. Haha.
I think this is pretty dead on. We were all expecting a 30-40 goal scorer because that's what a lot of the analysts/scouts were saying, but for some reason he just kept falling in his draft.

We wouldn't be paying him 9 mil if he did live up to the hype because he would still be young for his contract, no?

It is steep to pay debrincat the 8-9 mil and I get the apprehension, but as you said at the end, it is literally the main issue with our team. Regardless, in 2-3 years, the cap is scheduled to be close to/at/or above 90 mil and we will still be perfectly fine because of how yzerman has been using his cap management skills.
 

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Yep. So why would Yzerman go any higher than that? He's normally even stronger on negotiations than Dorian.

Think DeBrincat goes under Jesper Bratt value long-term. Bratt got 7.85M. 8 years

10 + 10 + 7.75 + 7.75 + 7.75 + 7.75 + 5.5M + 5.5M = 7.75M caphit.

Also more on the 1st year than that qualifying offer, to make him happy.

Could also see Yzerman making a shorter deal, than 8 years.
 

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But I don't understand why anybody would think Detroit would be willing to pay him $9M a year. If it's public that Ottawa is taking him to arbitration to try to get his AAV down to $7.65M, why would the Wings pay significantly more?

If Debrincat comes here it's because he's willing to take about $8M annually, not $9M.
I am pretty confident, obviously could be wrong, but pretty confident that they elected for arbitration to extend the life of his RFA signing status. So, by adding the extra month, they have the ability to still do a sign and trade past the usual deadline to have whatever team trades for him be able to get the 8 years for him still. If the RFA window for resigning ended and they didn't do a QO, they would lose him for nothing and he walks. If they signed him to a 1 year deal to keep him afloat before they trade him later in the summer, then whatever team that trades for him has to have a lower cap situation to eat the 7.65-9 mil contract.

In essence, club-elected arbitration extends the clock to keep the possibility of an 8 year contract. If they didn't do it then see above and add that whatever team trades for him would only be able to do a 7 year contract.

If you look up DeBrincat's metrics he is not as one dimensional as fans here think. He isn't a Selke winner but he's not abysmal defensively. +/- on bad teams doesn't tell the whole story.
He also was trying to fight seider that one time. Yes, it was laughable because seider scoffed at him, BUT he didn't back down right???? Right???? am I right???
 
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If we trade for DeBrincat, and sign Killorn, there are your first line wingers with Larkin next season, count on it.

Not sure how I feel about that, makes me uneasy.
I would put kubalik on the first, then killorn on the second if anything.

Not a fan of adding killorn, but I'm not against it either so idk

Yep. So why would Yzerman go any higher than that? He's normally even stronger on negotiations than Dorian.
i did just read on twitter that someone claimed yzerman has the ability to grind another gm down as much as humanly possible and the other gm usually just says "here is my final im done" and it usually works in yzerman's favor or he doesn't like what he heard so he just backs off for another day.

would love it if true because that means we actually have an analytical mind in the front office that stands by it instead of saying fuc* it, I would love to have weiss and legwand regardless of the expense!
 
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