Trade Ideas

[letsgowings9999]

Yet very possible considering DeBrincat himself was drafted 39th.

It's a very deep draft with players who can be a top 6 guy and who are 18 and can be here for 15-20 yrs

We have a chance to make a statement with this draft being an important one for the future. Were gonna piss it away cause fans want to pretend we'll make the playoffs next year

 

[Gniwder]

Zadina should really build a PK role for himself to have a role at NHL.

We are short on penalty killers at next season, because Erne and Suter are gone and Sundqvist traded. All were at Top6 of PK forwards.

I don't really know who could steal those roles from current player core. Maybe some UFA will fill a need.

Only Copp, Rasmussen and Larkin have former experience.

Could see Copp-Rasmussen being the 1st pair.

Maybe Zadina and Veleno are pushed in here because they are offensively useless.

If they put Zadina on PK, I'll bet he gets injured within 12 games. They better teach him to block with his pads and not flinch sideways again.

I think Joey goes on PK, he needs to if he's going to stay in the NHL. And he really needs work on his FO.

I think Stevie picks up a 4th line PKer like Nosek (59.3% FO wins) or something like that. I will LOL if it winds up being Backhand Luke. I think he has to pick up somebody to replace Suter, even if it's a warm body.

 

[Detroit Knights]

well see. that should help your thoughts @norrisnick right?

8.5x6?

 

[TCNorthstars]

Yet very possible considering DeBrincat himself was drafted 39th.

Possible? Absolutely! Likely? Not very. By this logic, you wouldn't trade our 6th or 7th round pick because he might get the next Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

SY wont trade 9, nor should he, unless it's for a legit 90 point forward. DeBrincat would get Detroit 30g/70p (maybe 50/90 in his best year), but I don't see him consistently hitting 90p.

 

[stillwater]

It's a very deep draft with players who can be a top 6 guy and who are 18 and can be here for 15-20 yrs

15 or 20 years huh.

Your crystal ball is much more powerful than most posters and apparently only tells you what you want to hear.

How many guys are absolute sure bets to be here for 15 or 20 years? Come on ...

 

[DamonDRW]

Well, the nightmare of DeBrincat with 9Mx8Y extension and no pick at 17 is closer... Please, no.

 

[norrisnick]

well see. that should help your thoughts @norrisnick right?

8.5x6?

Considering the complete lack of a rush to trade for and sign him, why are we giving him $8.5M/yr? If this is the only place he wants to go and no one else is in a hurry to acquire him, he doesn't also get his full salary demands.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

15 or 20 years huh.

Your crystal ball is much more powerful than most posters and apparently only tells you what you want to hear.

How many guys are absolute sure bets to be here for 15 or 20 years? Come on ...

Odds are better that both of our firsts don't play a game in the NHL than stay here for 20 years.

Edit: If SY wants to give DeBrincat less years, he'll have to give him more money/year. I would rather do +500k per year and shorter term for flexibility in the long run.

 

[SirloinUB]

I don't know how available he is but Troy Terry would be a nice add.

With Fantilli coming in they may want to keep a prime aged goal scorer but he is also 1 year away from UFA and needing a contract. Do they feel they are ready to turn the corner with Fantilli coming into the mix? if not they may not want to pay Terry for his UFA aged seasons.

Probably a long shot but Id be interested. Obviously Yzerman and Verbeek have a connection.

 

[OneMoreTry]

The only argument for getting DeBrincat, is that we need to make the playoffs, and lose in the first (and later second) round, better earlier than later, because our young players need to gain playoff experience. That you need to establish a winning culture on your team, because you cannot go from "we just were in the lottery for year X in a row.." to "we'll make at least the conference finals!" in one year, without any transition phase in between.

I just doubt that he is that player, that gets us over the hump. And I don't like the cost, neither the picks nor the money & term he'll demand.

 

[letsgowings9999]

15 or 20 years huh.

Your crystal ball is much more powerful than most posters and apparently only tells you what you want to hear.

How many guys are absolute sure bets to be here for 15 or 20 years? Come on ...

Your an absolute sure bet to be here for 15 to 20 years

 

[SirloinUB]

Tyler Toffoli is another name worth looking at. I wouldn't pay a premium to land him but if he can be acquired at a cheaper cost than guys like Debrincat it would definitely be worth considering.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Tyler Toffoli is another name worth looking at. I wouldn't pay a premium to land him but if he can be acquired at a cheaper cost than guys like Debrincat it would definitely be worth considering.

Problem is you get Toffoli for one year, you aren't a cup contender by adding him, and then he walks as a UFA at the end of the year to sign with a real contender to chase a cup with.

There's a reason his price would be so low.

 

[ricky0034]

if Yzerman is worried about term for a 25 year old then he probably shouldn't be trading for said 25 year old

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

The likelyhood we'll win anything close to a cup with 5'11 raymond and 5'7 debrincat on the rw on the top 6 are slim to none

Rather trade up and get a wood,willander etc... who'd also be 8 yrs younger. Love how bertuzzi was too old for this team but suddenly someone 16 months younger is

There were a lot of complaints about offering Tyler Bertuzzi a long term deal at 7M or more. "Too old" was not one of them.

Wonky back? Yup
Plays a style that invites more injuries like the wonky back and that is hampered by injuries like that? Yup.
Simply not worth 7x7 as a 50-60 point forward with those other concerns? Yup.

It's not simply because he's in his mid-late 20s that people worried about signing him.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

There were a lot of complaints about offering Tyler Bertuzzi a long term deal at 7M or more. "Too old" was not one of them.

Wonky back? Yup
Plays a style that invites more injuries like the wonky back and that is hampered by injuries like that? Yup.
Simply not worth 7x7 as a 50-60 point forward with those other concerns? Yup.

It's not simply because he's in his mid-late 20s that people worried about signing him.

Yeah, age was a tertiary issue for Bert. Most guys aged 24-25 will still play pretty similarly at 32 but Bert is going to age like cheese.

If you look at Yzerman's tenure in Tampa Bay and his first years in Detroit, you can tell he builds at forward by skill/compete regardless of size but prioritizes size on defense and goal. He's doing the same thing here.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Considering the complete lack of a rush to trade for and sign him, why are we giving him $8.5M/yr? If this is the only place he wants to go and no one else is in a hurry to acquire him, he doesn't also get his full salary demands.

Because you'd be paying more per year for lesser term if that was a goal of yours. Because none of this contract would be buying out any RFA years, you're not getting any break on the price.

It's a good point by you and honestly, that's probably what Yzerman is thinking too. Not the same "I don't like Debrincat like NN" but the idea of having leverage and being able to play hardball.

5/40 for Debrincat. Seems like it threads the needle of not wanting to overbid and keep the long long term flexibility situated.

Edit: I totally blanked. I meant 8M AAV. I had 8mx5 written and just typed the notation incorrectly because I wanted to type out the total dollars.

 

[SirloinUB]

Problem is you get Toffoli for one year, you aren't a cup contender by adding him, and then he walks as a UFA at the end of the year to sign with a real contender to chase a cup with.

There's a reason his price would be so low.

For sure but I think I’m okay with that (depending on cost of course).

If we can add a goal scorer (even short term) and keep all our first round picks that seems like a no brainer to me.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Yeah, age was a tertiary issue for Bert. Most guys aged 24-25 will still play pretty similarly at 32 but Bert is going to age like cheese.

RE: Milan Lucic, Kyle Okposo, etc.

Shit, you want to get real on the nose about it... Uncle Todd. f***in bowling ball power forward until he was 29. Then he was real mid. By the time Todd Bertuzzi got to Detroit, he was a Dan Cleary level grinder man worth about 2-3M a year.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Well, the nightmare of DeBrincat with 9Mx8Y extension and no pick at 17 is closer... Please, no.

I still fail to see how that's a "nightmare". Oh no... we have a baseline 25g,60p scorer making 9M under a cap that will increase by about 25% in the next couple years and no huge extensions due utnil it starts shooting up.

You don't have to love it... but my god... getting Alex Debrincat isn't a nightmare. Offering Justin Abdelkader 7x4.5M when everyone outside of three men (Holland, Abby, and Abby's agent) KNEW that was a dead on arrival deal, that was a nightmare.

 

[jkutswings]

The likelyhood we'll win anything close to a cup with 5'11 raymond and 5'7 debrincat on the rw on the top 6 are slim to none

Rather trade up and get a wood,willander etc... who'd also be 8 yrs younger. Love how bertuzzi was too old for this team but suddenly someone 16 months younger is

So I suppose that prior to winning the Stanley Cup and Conn Smythe Trophy, Marchessault grew several inches in height and added several pounds from his listed 5'9" and 183?

Now I'm not saying there are never red flags with smaller skilled players. But it's certainly not impossible to be successful with having 1-2 of them in key roster positions, especially with the size Detroit is building on defense.

 

[ricky0034]

Because you'd be paying more per year for lesser term if that was a goal of yours. Because none of this contract would be buying out any RFA years, you're not getting any break on the price.

It's a good point by you and honestly, that's probably what Yzerman is thinking too. Not the same "I don't like Debrincat like NN" but the idea of having leverage and being able to play hardball.

8/40 for Debrincat. Seems like it threads the needle of not wanting to overbid and keep the long long term flexibility situated

$5 million a year?

that's straight up delusional if you're expecting that

 

[K1900L]

Bet DeBrinkat is traded for less than expected, not more.

Don't see that happening. If Ottawa gets an underwhelming offer, they just keep him up until playoff trade deadline where someone will definitely pay, especially if he can go back to his normal shooting % this year (which is very likely with Norris coming back and probably centering his line). In fact, they could even get more for him then than now.

 

[letsgowings9999]

There were a lot of complaints about offering Tyler Bertuzzi a long term deal at 7M or more. "Too old" was not one of them.

Wonky back? Yup
Plays a style that invites more injuries like the wonky back and that is hampered by injuries like that? Yup.
Simply not worth 7x7 as a 50-60 point forward with those other concerns? Yup.

It's not simply because he's in his mid-late 20s that people worried about signing him.

Was his injury history a concern? Hell yeah. Were people saying he couldn't be a part of the future core due to his age?100%