Trade Ideas

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I would be ok with trading the 17 for an impact player now. If you look from 2000 to 2019, only 3 players picked at 17 became valuable players and a large percentage were not even NHLers. The odds of drafting a player as valuable as Lindholm, DeBrincat, etc. are less than 10%.

I would not be ok with trading 9.

 

[DTR]

I have no idea what we should do but I do know if we make our first five picks, that’s a huge miss by Yzerman. At a minimum we should be using some of those seconds to move back into the first round.

 

[letsgowings9999]

In a strong draft year, you either do nothing or trade down.

On a weak draft year, you trade up to get the better guys.

Basic rules.


I could see the DeBrincat traded for 17th overall, if we get a certain Center at #9.

The draft could go in a way, how all other legit Centers are stolen before the 17th overall. And then you can as well trade for the skilled winger, than draft one, which you don't need to wait for 3-4 years to have any impact.

Dont agree with that , should always go for the guy you want if there's a chance to move up. If you think we'd be better off trading up 7 spots to get moore cause you think he won't be there at 17 and you think hes a better prospect than who might be there you do it. Time to be aggressive

We wont be winning with debrincat next few years anyways and he'll have a high cap hit and be knocked around in the playoffs with his size. We'd be able to trade for that skilled winger anyways,or center or right d we'll need

As much as I love the potential of soderblom, berggren, hanes etc... we wlnt have enough room to fit everyone so we'll be able to deal some guys for players of need.

 

[Ezekial]

Do you understand that the difference between 10.3% shooting percentage and 15.5% shooting percentage is almost identical as 27 goals vs. 41 goals?

Kane has assisted multiple players for better scoring chances, which will lead to better scoring probability. In english = more goals.

I don't know what you're trying to say with that first bit?
That was my point, he had almost the same amount of shots therefore the difference was the shooting percentage, not his ability to generate shots.


I acknowledged that he'd no longer been playing with Kane, but I don't attribute the entire drop off to Kane. Does Kane just intrinsically add 5-10% to the all the players he plays with? Good players make good players better, Drake Batherson and Shane Pinto aren't nearly the playmakers Kane was, this is true. That doesn't mean Debrincat can't score 40 without Kane.

I'm not pounding the table for Debrincat but we definitely need players that can score goals and he's a player that can score goals.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

I'd do 17th and a 2nd for Dcat, if you would've told me at the start of last season that we can swap out Hronek for Debrincat I would've laughed in your face.

 

[datsyukfan]

FWIW--Jeff Marek flatly stated "Detroit for DeBrincat" JUST as he was leaving his radio spot on NHL Radio this morning. The Stellick & Laughlin show.

Just saw someone post this on the main boards in the debrincat thread

 

[datsyukfan]

 

[stillwater]

That's interesting

 

[jkutswings]

That's interesting

Care to post a synopsis? Can't listen at the moment.

 

[stillwater]

Jeff Marek just said "looks like Detroit for Alex DeBrincat" ... paraphrasing for now.

I'll get the actual quote.

 

[SirloinUB]

I think for you guys to get Brinksy, Yzerman is forced to bid your 9th pick, why?

Preds and Tortz and rumored to be the #2 most likely destination ATM for Alex DeBrincat
and rumor is that Trotz will offer their 14th pick (among other assets obviously) for Brinksy
well.. if Yzerman really want's him, that leaves no options but to bid the 9th overall pick.

Then Nashville can have him. 9th overall should be a deal breaker. Yzerman nearly said as much. Obviously there is a lot of posturing this time of year but last week he did a press conference where he said he anticipates drafting at 9th overall. Further, he has preached nothing but patience. Trading a guy like hronek at 24 years old is a perfect example of that patience.

Good luck creating a bidding war. I just don’t see yzerman getting himself involved in that.

 

[stillwater]

"Alex DeBrincat, it seems like that's the destination here, if they can get that one done"

Jeff Marek

 

[jkutswings]

"Alex DeBrincat, it seems like that's the destination here, if they can get that one done"

Thanks. Likely destination, but nothing firm as of yet.

Should be interesting to see if it pans out, and at what price (both in trade and in contract).

 

[Realgud]

Just my guess but I think they'll wait for the draft, make the pick at 9 and then wait and see what's available at 17. If they didn't pick Honzek at 9 and that's who they reportedly like and he becomes unavailable at 17, then they might want to trade that pick. Steve seems to have very specific targets when it comes to his first round picks.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Just my guess but I think they'll wait for the draft, make the pick at 9 and then wait and see what's available at 17. If they didn't pick Honzek at 9 and that's who they reportedly like and he becomes unavailable at 17, then they might want to trade that pick. Steve seems to have very specific targets when it comes to his first round picks.

I doubt the difference between the guys available at 17 will be big enough to influence that decision.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Just my guess but I think they'll wait for the draft, make the pick at 9 and then wait and see what's available at 17. If they didn't pick Honzek at 9 and that's who they reportedly like and he becomes unavailable at 17, then they might want to trade that pick. Steve seems to have very specific targets when it comes to his first round picks.

What's the significant difference between the following hypothetical scenarios? Don't you feel like you've accomplished the same, with more immediate help, and eliminating a lot of inherent risk that exists in speculating prospects?

9th: Benson
17th: Honzek

and

9th: Honzek
17th: DeBrincat (maybe other insignificant adds)

And who knows, maybe it's not even 17.

 

[Larkin2AA]

Just my guess but I think they'll wait for the draft, make the pick at 9 and then wait and see what's available at 17. If they didn't pick Honzek at 9 and that's who they reportedly like and he becomes unavailable at 17, then they might want to trade that pick. Steve seems to have very specific targets when it comes to his first round picks.

Part of me hopes Yzerman is looking to trade his multiple 2nd's or even one of next year's 1st's for Debrincet. So many great options between 9 and 17 this year.

 

[TCNorthstars]

I get fans are frustrated of seeing us lose but dealing the 17th pick would be a huge mistake. we can add another offensive forward prospect which we need with that pick and even better one if we traded up

The likelihood the 17th pick is as good as DeBrincat is very slim.

 

[Realgud]

I doubt the difference between the guys available at 17 will be big enough to influence that decision.

Yeah maybe, but I think for Steve he has a specific player in mind for each spot. Just my guess.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

I am sure Steve knows Ottawa wants to get picks for this draft pretty bad. He can plays serious hardball with them, because their deadline is approaching. We trade for DeBrincat on June 30, doesnt hurt us at all, but it can hurt Ottawa.

If Nashville outbids, so be it.

 

[letsgowings9999]

The likelihood the 17th pick is as good as DeBrincat is very slim.

The likelyhood we'll win anything close to a cup with 5'11 raymond and 5'7 debrincat on the rw on the top 6 are slim to none

Rather trade up and get a wood,willander etc... who'd also be 8 yrs younger. Love how bertuzzi was too old for this team but suddenly someone 16 months younger is

 

[norrisnick]

The likelihood the 17th pick is as good as DeBrincat is very slim.

Yet very possible considering DeBrincat himself was drafted 39th.

 

[letsgowings9999]

I am sure Steve knows Ottawa wants to get picks for this draft pretty bad. He can plays serious hardball with them, because their deadline is approaching. We trade for DeBrincat on June 30, doesnt hurt us at all, but it can hurt Ottawa.

If Nashville outbids, so be it.

Ottawa wants to win now they wont be keeping the picks and will just flip them for current roster players

 

[JediOrderPizza]

 

[TheOctopusKid]

In my own head cannon, although it's apparently the term on the extension that's holding it up. I feel like we'll learn after the fact that the Sens wanted Rasmussen and Stevie kept pushing back with Soderblom or something and it became a draft capital offset ("well we need a 1st then instead of a 2nd!")