Trade Ideas

[JediOrderPizza]

Sounds like GM's still like bad defensemen, do your work Steve shop Benny Chiarot around.

 

[Ricelund]

Sounds like GM's still like bad defensemen, do your work Steve shop Benny Chiarot around.

Excellent GIF usage.

 

[Gniwder]

How does that help Detroit? Unless someone is willing to overpay on potential that they think they can unlock, hold on to him while his value is rock bottom. He's cheap. Can plug him in anywhere in the lineup or sit him if a kid blows the doors off. That's just a move for the sake of making a move. Same goes for Veleno. If teams call about them? Make them pay for them. Don't just give them away for a 5th.

Same reason they bought out Abby, trading Zadina saves real money, not just cap space. $2.7M the following season, it would make more sense to trade him now than buy him out. At this point, it's obvious he doesn't have potential. He turns 24 in November, he's really no longer a prospect.

Joey is RFA, he probably just gets a QO this coming week. Doesn't hold much value, but every team needs cheap 4th liners.

 

[Ricelund]

I can't see them buying Zadina out. They'll just ride out that contract even if he doesn't progress.

 

[norrisnick]

I can't see them buying Zadina out. They'll just ride out that contract even if he doesn't progress.

Hurt feelings and spite does weird things to people. He's a perfectly fine bottom 6 player on a perfectly fine bottom 6 contract.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

No sense in buying Zadina out other than personal... that is.. you're doing him a favour to try and resurrect his career elsewhere.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Yeah Zadina is fine for now, but eventually he's gonna get pushed out, or they'll want more snarl in his spot.

 

[heyfolks]

Yahoo as a hockey expert is the same as going to down to the corner and picking out the first person you see and asking them what they think.

Why I rarely post here today

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

No sense in buying Zadina out other than personal... that is.. you're doing him a favour to try and resurrect his career elsewhere.

I don't know if Zadina has an NHL future.

When Lalonde came in, all of our young guys started showing improvements. Zadina didn't. He puts in a lot of effort but it's like he just has no hockey IQ. That leads to him having decent metrics but at the same time having like no net effect on the game


I see him in a European league in a few years scoring lots of goals on inferior competition.

 

[norrisnick]

I don't know if Zadina has an NHL future.

When Lalonde came in, all of our young guys started showing improvements. Zadina didn't. He puts in a lot of effort but it's like he just has no hockey IQ. That leads to him having decent metrics but at the same time having like no net effect on the game


I see him in a European league in a few years scoring lots of goals on inferior competition.

Zadina can play in the NHL for $1-2M for as long as he wants. He's safe and versatile.

 

[datsyukfan]

I think what people don’t understand with Zadina is that he’s a really solid 2 way player. He is engaged, good defensively, and honestly one of our better forecheckers. He’s just had no counting stats to show which is really frustrating. I really like the guy and am just waiting for him to break out it’s super frustrating. One place I really would like to give him a try at is the penalty kid. I really think he could find a nice role there

 

[norrisnick]

I think what people don’t understand with Zadina is that he’s a really solid 2 way player. He is engaged, good defensively, and honestly one of our better forecheckers. He’s just had no counting stats to show which is really frustrating. I really like the guy and am just waiting for him to break out it’s super frustrating. One place I really would like to give him a try at is the penalty kid. I really think he could find a nice role there

I thought he and Kubalik were pretty good on the PK during preseason. It helps keep you engaged in the game too.

 

[Gniwder]

I think what people don’t understand with Zadina is that he’s a really solid 2 way player. He is engaged, good defensively, and honestly one of our better forecheckers. He’s just had no counting stats to show which is really frustrating. I really like the guy and am just waiting for him to break out it’s super frustrating. One place I really would like to give him a try at is the penalty kid. I really think he could find a nice role there

I don't know where people get this idea that he's good defensively, he gets burned consistently by higher end players because he likes to step into the defensemen. Sure he looks good when he's going against 3rd pair D when he's playing the bottom lines, but put him on PK and he'll be facing first pair D.

Whether or not he gets bought out will depend on if Stevie plans on picking up more UFA talent the next 2 summers. If he doesn't then obviously a moot point. Either way, he's a warm body at best, but some bottom end team will pick him up after the Wings decide not to give him a $2.7M QO. It's really funny how people covet bottom end players just because they were first round picks (Svech/Cholo/Zadina), too bad Sheahan, McCollum, Smith and Kindl didn't get as much love, lol.

Edit: Also, remember how he broke his leg.... turned sideways to block a shot. That'll go really well when killing penalties. He might last 10 games or so. Really low hockey IQ.

 

[Oddbob]

Why I rarely post here today

Avid fans on a hockey forum know more about hockey then most Yahoo beat writers who aren't insiders like most of their hockey writers are. Rarely agree with anything I have ever seen written by someone writing about hockey on Yahoo.

 

[Henkka]

Here is some food for thought
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When he was having "great numbers next to Kane" the year prior he had 2 less assists and 14 more goals.

His career shooting percentage on the Blackhawks was 15.5%, the year before he was moved he had 41 goals he shot at 15.2%
Last year he had 263 shots compared to 270 the year before but he shot at 10.3%. So maybe Kane is the reason he had 5% more shooting percentage, but he was getting his shots and making plays that led to goals all the same.

Do you understand that the difference between 10.3% shooting percentage and 15.5% shooting percentage is almost identical as 27 goals vs. 41 goals?

Kane has assisted multiple players for better scoring chances, which will lead to better scoring probability. In english = more goals.

 

[Henkka]

I thought he and Kubalik were pretty good on the PK during preseason. It helps keep you engaged in the game too.

Zadina should really build a PK role for himself to have a role at NHL.

We are short on penalty killers at next season, because Erne and Suter are gone and Sundqvist traded. All were at Top6 of PK forwards.

I don't really know who could steal those roles from current player core. Maybe some UFA will fill a need.

Only Copp, Rasmussen and Larkin have former experience.

Could see Copp-Rasmussen being the 1st pair.

Maybe Zadina and Veleno are pushed in here because they are offensively useless.

 

[Henkka]

Yzerman just will wait for UFA and let Nashville lose their picks.

I just don't see DeBrincat extending with Nashville. Trotz can feel free to trade for him, but Nashville is going towards poor years, just like DeBrincat already experimented at Chicago. And he doesn't want to join another downswing team again.

Detroit as a becoming upswing team and as his hometown team will for sure be the more interesting team for him personally.

 

[DTR]

Yzerman just will wait for UFA and let Nashville lose their picks.

I just don't see DeBrincat extending with Nashville. Feel free to trade for him, but Nashville is going towards poor years, just like DeBrincat already experimented at Chicago. And he doesn't want to join another downswing team again.

Detroit as a becoming upswing team and as his hometown team will for sure be the more interesting team for him personally.

Like Montreal was going to get PLD in FA? It never happens that way.

 

[Henkka]

Like Montreal was going to get PLD in FA? It never happens that way.

Montreal is still a crap team with no legit defence for future years and LA is the upswing team. Dubois will be just smart to pick the better one, if he goes to LA.

It's still the problem with Canada. Montreal and Ottawa. Both located on wrong country. Players don't want to join or commit long-term.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Like Montreal was going to get PLD in FA? It never happens that way.

Or like Detroit was going to get Werenski.

 

[norrisnick]

Or like Detroit was going to get Werenski.

That ones trending towards a massive bullet dodged...

 

[letsgowings9999]

I get fans are frustrated of seeing us lose but dealing the 17th pick would be a huge mistake. we can add another offensive forward prospect which we need with that pick and even better one if we traded up

Debrincat wont make us a playoff team for the foreseeable future. The east is just too strong atm. We'll only take a step up when the kids get going

Debrincat and his size will also disappear in the playoffs imo. He wants to come home so bad wait a year. We should be moving those 2nds to move up.

If we want to add a roster player with a pick us the 3rd like husso deal and add a decent player even if we can then turn around for a better return next deadline.

Think the big move comes next year especially if the bruins pick ends up being like 22-32 then I can see Steve making a big play. Too many good options at 17 this year and possibly 10-12 with our surplus of 2nds. This is the draft we'll look back on in 10 years as the missing pieces we needed to get back to the glory days

 

[jkutswings]

But you be getting a star player like DeBrincat, do you see more value in 9th overall pick? - pick that might or might not become something in the next 2 - 4 years.

I think draft picks are over valued. The chance that you get a better player what Brinksy already is, is very small.

There are players that I feel would be more impactful in the playoffs than Debrincat.

I'm not saying no to adding him, but if the price isn't right, there are other options I'd much sooner pursue than overpaying.

 

[datsyukfan]

Now is the time to strike on a big deal or 2. It’s the last year of the cap being flat and the best opportunity with all the names that are out there on the trade front. We should be using 17, our 2nds, and bostons 1st next year to acquire 2 game changers up front. If a top 4 like Pesce is out there I wouldn’t shy away from him.

 

[Henkka]

We should be moving those 2nds to move up.

In a strong draft year, you either do nothing or trade down.

On a weak draft year, you trade up to get the better guys.

Basic rules.

Think the big move comes next year especially if the bruins pick ends up being like 22-32 then I can see Steve making a big play. Too many good options at 17 this year and possibly 10-12 with our surplus of 2nds. This is the draft we'll look back on in 10 years as the missing pieces we needed to get back to the glory days

I could see the DeBrincat traded for 17th overall, if we get a certain Center at #9.

The draft could go in a way, how all other legit Centers are stolen before the 17th overall. And then you can as well trade for the skilled winger, than draft one, which you don't need to wait for 3-4 years to have any impact.