Trade Ideas

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I don't think I'd be able to bring myself to watch one period of hockey next season if that was the case.

I've said this before, but I doubt Yzerman got Larkin to resign for max term by promising him we wouldn't make the playoffs until 2030.

If Yzerman spends all four draft picks on players that might be as good as Bert and Hronek and might make the NHL in any meaningful capacity in four years then Larkin needs to demand a trade.

 

[norrisnick]

And that's when the GM does his job and makes trades.

Maatta, Walman or Chiarot get traded. Probably one of Perron, Fabbri or Kubalik as well. Hell, maybe even Copp depending on if the guy can turn things around or not. There are your savings. to keep the cap hit below 88 mil.

Replaced by whom and at what price point?

If you're going to armchair GM, armchair GM.

 

[jkutswings]

Perron re-signs at his current number or a raise. 2nd leading scorer. Wears an A. Well liked. If he wants to stay, he's staying.

Like your Fabbri comment. We can't just pay him less than $4M because he hasn't played. He's already under contract through the '24-'25 season. You want him gone, it will take an asset to move his full contract.

I'm not saying these things because it's what I want to have happen. I'm saying these things because this is the reality we are living in.

And why is it a crisis if they add a couple players, pay Fabbri for 2 more years, then let him go and let an ELC kid take his spot?

Not every answer has to be worked out in the next 30 days.

 

[Detroit Knights]

And why is it a crisis if they add a couple players, pay Fabbri for 2 more years, then let him go and let an ELC kid take his spot?

Not every answer has to be worked out in the next 30 days.

yes it does!

 

[norrisnick]

And why is it a crisis if they add a couple players, pay Fabbri for 2 more years, then let him go and let an ELC kid take his spot?

Not every answer has to be worked out in the next 30 days.

It depends entirety on the couple players added on whether we run into cap issues next season. The only issue is multiple $8M forwards being added.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

It depends entirety on the couple players added on whether we run into cap issues next season. The only issue is multiple $8M forwards being added.

I don't think anyone believes we will add multiple 8m dollar forwards this summer, let alone do so w/o shedding any salary..

Almost all trades involving such players, 8m dollars, involve "dead cap" going the other way

 

[jkutswings]

It depends entirety on the couple players added on whether we run into cap issues next season. The only issue is multiple $8M forwards being added.

And you're concern level is as if they've already been added, both are overpaid, and multiple players are threatening to force a trade if the GM doesn't miraculously conjure an extra $20M in nonexistent cap room to extend them.

Just breathe, man.

You call about ten players, negotiate seriously with a handful, and try to land one or two. It's nothing to freak out about.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I don't see any point in worrying about the cap (outside of contrarianism) when the cap is expected to rise for the next few years and none of our current (or added) players would be making over 9 million.

If you acquire two new Fs at 8 million per and bump Seider to 8 million that leaves you with 50+ million to fill out the rest of the roster.

That's without any cap raises.

All new contracts have the risk of busting and if you are frozen by fear of busting to the point that you only want to sign 4-5 million dollar middle-six players...

Well, you might just be a Ken Holland.

 

[RabidBadger]

I'm not sure that everyone is fully aligned with what ADB's value is looking like of late. This article seemed to base it entirely on what Ottawa traded to get him in the first place. He's been actively shopped for weeks now and it's crickets. He may not fetch a first at all.

Yeah, I think Ottawa is going to have to settle for a net loss when they trade The Cat. Just knowing he isn't going to re-sign with them pretty much makes it a buyer's market unless a chump with cap space emerges.

 

[norrisnick]

And you're concern level is as if they've already been added, both are overpaid, and multiple players are threatening to force a trade if the GM doesn't miraculously conjure an extra $20M in nonexistent call room to extend them.

Just breathe, man.

You call about ten players, negotiate seriously with a handful, and try to land one or two. It's nothing to freak out about.

I'm perfectly calm. I post on forums to relax and pass the time.

Do other people really get worked up on here?

 

[jaster]

@OgeeOgelthorpe that was just to illustrate they have some concerns with how much compete he has with his smaller frame and if he will be able to stay healthy.

Which I do think is a fair concern in regards to Benson.

Concerns with compete due to size? Like, the effectiveness of the compete, because he's small? Because otherwise compete has nothing to do with size, and if they are saying it does then they are talking about something other than compete.

 

[jaster]

I'm perfectly calm. I post on forums to relax and pass the time.

Do other people really get worked up on here?

I got mad one time. Someone said Joakim Andersson was better than Luke Glendening and I nearly lost my shit!

 

[jkutswings]

I'm perfectly calm. I post on forums to relax and pass the time.

Do other people really get worked up on here?

You're being very persistent in claiming it's a significant risk. And nothing has happened yet to potentially be a risk of any magnitude, let alone a significant one.

IF they sign some guys good enough to eat major cap, that's a GOOD thing. They'll use some combination of moving players and replacing players to make the money work.

 

[Gniwder]

Concerns with compete due to size? Like, the effectiveness of the compete, because he's small? Because otherwise compete has nothing to do with size, and if they are saying it does then they are talking about something other than compete.

Yeah, Fabbri has good compete level, especially for a guy playing with no knees.

I got mad one time. Someone said Joakim Andersson was better than Luke Glendening and I nearly lost my shit!

That's like saying Zadina is an NHLer, lol.

 

[norrisnick]

You're being very persistent in claiming it's a significant risk. And nothing has happened yet to potentially be a risk of any magnitude, let alone a significant one.

IF they sign some guys good enough to eat major cap, that's a GOOD thing. They'll use some combination of moving players and replacing players to make the money work.

People are posting suggestions and I'm responding. Is that not what this board is for? Discussion? I can post my summer wish list. Discuss away!

Leaves breathing room for any midseason additions.

WPG needs to go scorched earth because they cannot get free agents and are likely on everyone's no trade list. With Hellebuyck and PLD wanting out they need to move anything that will keep them from the bottom of the table. That's Connor.

Peeke is a minute eating defensively oriented guy for the 2nd pairing RD

Don't Care is a goalie and aptly named.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

People are posting suggestions and I'm responding. Is that not what this board is for? Discussion? I can post my summer wish list. Discuss away!

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Leaves breathing room for any midseason additions.

WPG needs to go scorched earth because they cannot get free agents and are likely on everyone's no trade list. With Hellebuyck and PLD wanting out they need to move anything that will keep them from the bottom of the table. That's Connor.

Peeke is a minute eating defensively oriented guy for the 2nd pairing RD

Don't Care is a goalie and aptly named.

I have a hard time seeing the Jets trading Connor. I think you would have to offer them 9OA, two seconds, and the BOS 2024 pick.

Even at that cost, I would do it, but I'm not sure WPG would.

I only bring in Peeke if I'm dumping Chiarot. He only played 20+ minutes on a team with no better options. We have a lot of talent in our D group and even more coming in. I'd rather attempt a reclamation project with Dumba on a two-year deal until Wallinder is ready.

 

[Frk It]

Concerns with compete due to size? Like, the effectiveness of the compete, because he's small? Because otherwise compete has nothing to do with size, and if they are saying it does then they are talking about something other than compete.

Concerns that their smaller frame can handle the way they like to play.

 

[norrisnick]

I have a hard time seeing the Jets trading Connor. I think you would have to offer them 9OA, two seconds, and the BOS 2024 pick.

Even at that cost, I would do it, but I'm not sure WPG would.

Winterpeg almost has to if they lose Helle and PLD. Scheifele and Wheeler are on the outs as well. They have to full on tank to get talent. So they can all get disgruntled and leave at the first opportunity. If they keep Connor, he'll be ancient before they've accumulated another core. And it will just hurt their tank. It sucks. But that's what happens when you put a team where no one wants to live if they're young millionaires.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Konecny would be amazing, no high price tag yet, he played on a bottom 5 offense so any worries about him not being able to produce on our team should be squashed, and most of his points come from even strength.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Winterpeg almost has to if they lose Helle and PLD. Scheifele and Wheeler are on the outs as well. They have to full on tank to get talent. So they can all get disgruntled and leave at the first opportunity. If they keep Connor, he'll be ancient before they've accumulated another core. And it will just hurt their tank. It sucks. But that's what happens when you put a team where no one wants to live if they're young millionaires.

The problem is that every team in the NHL will be in on a 26 year old PPG center and bidding will be intense. He's the kind of guy who could legit pull a top-4 pick in a trade.

Do I trade 17, BOS '24, and our pick next season (protected) for a 26 year old first line center who managed a PPG on a not great team? I might. You aren't going to get that guy in FA and probably not in the draft.

It boils down to Bertuzzi, Hronek, a fourth round pick, and our 2024 first for Connor, a second round pick, and a fourth round pick. That looks a lot better than three firsts for Connor.

 

[jaster]

Concerns that their smaller frame can handle the way they like to play.

I see. I read that as ‘his smaller frame will hinder his compete level.’

I think Fabbri has other health-related issues than his size-compete quotient (like just bad genes when it comes to his knees), but I get the comparison and the concern.

 

[norrisnick]

The problem is that every team in the NHL will be in on a 26 year old PPG center and bidding will be intense.

Do I trade 17, BOS '24, and our pick next season (protected) for a 26 year old first line center who managed a PPG on a not great team? I might. You aren't going to get that guy in FA and probably not in the draft.

It boils down to Bertuzzi, Hronek, a fourth round pick, and our 2024 first for Connor, a second round pick, and a fourth round pick. That looks a lot better than three firsts for Connor.

Absolutely. But we have far more trade assets than most teams right now. Especially of the teams that are coming out of the "bottoming out" phase of a rebuild. Other teams that might be able to match aren't quite at that point yet and a 26yo doesn't fit their expected window.

And yes, I'd absolutely give up 17, and both firsts next year if needed. Though I'd ask Arizona first if they're completely sure on keeping Keller.

I only bring in Peeke if I'm dumping Chiarot. He only played 20+ minutes on a team with no better options. We have a lot of talent in our D group and even more coming in. I'd rather attempt a reclamation project with Dumba on a two-year deal until Wallinder is ready.

We don't have better options on the right side. If we can buddy Peeke up with Ed then Maatta gets to become the Chia whisperer.

 

[Hoog]

So, after hearing Steve's comments today about holding on to the first rounders but using the seconds for trades, here is my new Travis Konecny trade offer:

Pick #17, picks # 42 and #43, AlJo, and either Zadina or Veleno

for

Pick #22 and Konecny

 

[norrisnick]

So, after hearing Steve's comments today about holding on to the first rounders but using the seconds for trades, here is my new Travis Konecny trade offer:

Pick #17, picks # 42 and #43, AlJo, and either Zadina or Veleno

for

Pick #22 and Konecny

I don't hate the value, per se. I hate that that almost definitely takes us out of Willander range. I'd rather give Philly our 1sts next year and see if they bite.

Or...

#42 + #43 + AlJo + Veleno + Bos '24 1st + Det '24 1st (protected)

for

#22 and Konecny

Basically two 1sts + Veleno for Konecny and two 2nds + AlJo for #22.

 

[DoMakc]

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Swap out that AlJo for Willy Wally. Same difference.

Not that I agree with Henkka's wet dreams, but your agument is dishonest. Nobody is going to pay 4500000 to a "Kubalik" to be 4 th line winger. You already have DeBrincat, Konecny, Raymond, Rasmussen, Fabbri, Berggren, Perron. Copp can be also shifted to the wing if Veleno is retained on a cheap contract. And there are also Söderblom and Mazur. It is also debatable, why somebody pays that much to a 36-year-old Perron, other than you saying it has to be done. The premise of "must" resigning Perron and Kubalik is false - you actually acquire DeBrincats and Konecnys to replace them.

As per now Red Wings commited 37 mil to 9 players. Let's subtract Zadina to make Ogee happy - 35,1 for 8 After spending say 20 mil on Seider, Raymond, Berggren and Moose, you still have 30 to sign 10 players:

x-Larkin-Raymond
y-Copp-Rasmussen
Fabbri-Kasper-Berggren
f1-f2-f3
spares

Walman-Seider
Edvinsson-D
Maatta-Chiarot
spare

Husso
G

3 of which are spares, say 2.5 mil, 3 are 4th line player, say 4,5 mio and one is backup goalie max. 3mil. That leaves you with round about 20 mio for a top 4 RD say 4 mil and two top line forwards say 8 mil each. Should be enough. And then, you can consider bridges, moving Fabbri in favour of Mazur/Söderblom, moving Chiarot/Maatta, saving on backup, etc.. But if you are paying Moose, Berggren, Fabbri and Copp middle 6 money, you don't need Perron and Kubalik to play on your 4th line.