Trade Ideas

[lilidk]

Blake Wheeler possible trade or buy out.. Id take him for Zadina.. They save money, we swap spare parts. Wheeler becomes a solid veteran to stabilize middle of the line up.

Yzerman said Larkin age or younger

 

[Frk It]

Thank you for showing your work.

Chiarot has an A. I want to disappear him as much as everyone, but he's here for his contract.

2nd pair RD is still an issue. Fixing that should take precedent over a 2nd top 6 forward.

Brace yourself for the Perron extension.

Glendening wore an A and Yzerman didn’t re-sign him. Abdelkader wore an A and Yzerman bought him out.

I don’t think Yzerman gives a f***.

 

[norrisnick]

Glendening wore an A and Yzerman didn’t re-sign him. Abdelkader wore an A and Yzerman bought him out.

I don’t think Yzerman gives a f***.

Perron was our 2nd leading scorer last season.

Aren't we all "we need offense" and we're also banging the table to run Perron out of town? Pick a lane...

 

[lilidk]

Kubalik - Larkin - Raymond
Perron -Copp - Berggren
Zadina - Veleno - Rasmussen
Soderblom - Kasper - Czarnik
Very important evaluate half of the team before we made any moves

 

[norrisnick]

Kubalik - Larkin - Raymond
Perron -Copp - Berggren
Zadina - Veleno - Rasmussen
Soderblom - Kasper - Czarnik
Very important evaluate half of the team before we made any moves

Then why did you already get rid of Fabbri?

 

[Holden Caufield]

Kubalik - Larkin - Raymond
Perron -Copp - Berggren
Zadina - Veleno - Rasmussen
Soderblom - Kasper - Czarnik
Very important evaluate half of the team before we made any moves

Why aren’t we evaluating the current team with Fabbri ?

Edit; beat to the punch you nn.
I do find it funny how a lot of posters seem to intentionally ignore Fabbri’s existence. Could easily score 50 points this year.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Perron was our 2nd leading scorer last season.

Aren't we all "we need offense" and we're also banging the table to run Perron out of town? Pick a

Come on now

Now we're being silly

Kubalik - Larkin - Raymond
Perron -Copp - Berggren
Zadina - Veleno - Rasmussen
Soderblom - Kasper - Czarnik
Very important evaluate half of the team before we made any moves

How any years does it take to evaluate an entire roster.. 1.. 3.. 5?

 

[Detroit Knights]

Yzerman said Larkin age or younger

he said that on the basis of who our core is. I dont think acquiring wheeler would make him a part of our core.

The core of your team is what you build around and the players you bring to build around the core are expendable by any means necessary.

 

[norrisnick]

Why aren’t we evaluating the current team with Fabbri ?

Edit; beat to the punch you nn.
I do find it funny how a lot of posters seem to intentionally ignore Fabbri’s existence. Could easily score 50 points this year.

I think subconsciously it's a factor of he's never actually playing and his $4M cap hit is pretty inconvenient.

Come on now

Now we're being silly

Exactly. If Perron wants to stay, he's staying. Two 4th liners with A's not being kept around has no bearing on Perron.

 

[Holden Caufield]

Exactly. If Perron wants to stay, he's staying. Two 4th liners with A's not being kept around has no bearing on Perron.

In ‘20/‘21 our leading scorer was Hronek and our 3rd leading scorer was Mantha. Both shipped within a year and a half

In 21’/‘22 our 2nd leading scorer was Bertuzzi. Shipped within a year.

Last year Hronek was actively the leading scoring defenseman when he was shipped.

Perron is about as much a core piece as the above were…. Yzerman said as much yesterday. He will be trade deadline fodder just like them if Wings are bad again.

 

[Frk It]

Why aren’t we evaluating the current team with Fabbri ?

Edit; beat to the punch you nn.
I do find it funny how a lot of posters seem to intentionally ignore Fabbri’s existence. Could easily score 50 points this year.

I have time for Fabbri as a player. Hard to count on him staying healthy though. Funny thing they compare Benson to Fabbri in the Black Book this year.

 

[norrisnick]

In ‘20/‘21 our leading scorer was Hronek and our 3rd leading scorer was Mantha. Both shipped within a year and a half

In 21’/‘22 our 2nd leading scorer was Bertuzzi. Shipped within a year.

Last year Hronek was actively the leading scoring defenseman when he was shipped.

Perron is about as much a core piece as the above were…. Yzerman said as much yesterday.

Wearing an A/veteran leadership. 2nd leading scorer. Wants to be here without having to sign a set for life contract.

Hronek, Mantha, and Bertuzzi aren't in the same section of the Venn diagram as Perron.

And Perron isn't a piece of the core. He's the veteran presence to support the growth of the core. Shoving him out the door flies in the face of the whole reason he was brought in to begin with. He's like Larionov back in the day. He did leave in free agency, but then was immediately reacquired mid season.

 

[lilidk]

Why aren’t we evaluating the current team with Fabbri ?

Edit; beat to the punch you nn.
I do find it funny how a lot of posters seem to intentionally ignore Fabbri’s existence. Could easily score 50 points this year.

I didn't ignore him , just was thinking about other questionable for our future players and forgot about him.

 

[Holden Caufield]

I have time for Fabbri as a player. Hard to count on him staying healthy though. Funny thing they compare Benson to Fabbri in the Black Book this year.

He has very bad injury luck. But I don’t think you can assume an injury either.

If you combine the last 2 seasons, Fabbri basically played one full season and scored 46 points.

Which is fairly impressive considering he was laid up for an entire offseason. And twice returning to hockey after long injury layoffs. And he wasn’t exactly playing on a good offensive team.

Makes you wonder if he has a great offseason and hits the ground running that he might be able to elevate his game and breakout above the .5 PPG this year.

I just think some people are sleeping on Fabbri

 

[jaster]

I have time for Fabbri as a player. Hard to count on him staying healthy though. Funny thing they compare Benson to Fabbri in the Black Book this year.

Fabbri's health is a significant flaw in terms of his overall value, but it also seems to make people forget how offensively talented he is. A complementary winger, to be sure, but he's sneaky good offensively, more than a 3rd-liner as some people like to pencil him in as. And he's hard-nosed in the O-zone, which helps his offense play up even more.

 

[norrisnick]

Fabbri's health is a significant flaw in terms of his overall value, but it also seems to make people forget how offensively talented he is. A complementary winger, to be sure, but he's sneaky good offensively, more than a 3rd-liner as some people like to pencil him in as. And he's hard-nosed in the O-zone, which helps his offense play up even more.

Yeah, he's almost as good as Kubalik.

 

[ricky0034]

Fabbri couldn't even make it to the end of the season after not playing any games till January without getting injured for multiple months AGAIN

he's a decent enough player when he's around and has done well to have the career he's had in spite of it but he's made of glass and has never played enough games to put up 40 points in a season let alone 50

 

[SirloinUB]

Which is just GM-speak, and could translate into anything on draft day from using all of them to trading several of them if the right offer comes along.

I don't expect Yzerman to deal #9. But saying he intends something a week before the draft means absolutely nothing once things actually begin and phone calls start flying.

You’re right in the sense he would have said something similar even if he was explicitly planning on trading the picks. However, if you take a step back and consider the moves yzerman has made and things he has said in his media availabilities its extremely clear his plan is to continue to be patient. I’m pretty sure he has said the word “patience” in every single press conference. When you see him trade our 2nd best forward and 2nd best dman (both in their mid 20s) he is walking his talk.

What do you mean desperation?

How is the desire to add some, an, actual NHL talent desperate?

I think trading multiple first rounders, immediately after trading away some of our best prime aged players, is the opposite of the patience yzerman has been preaching every chance he gets.

 

[Henkka]

he said that on the basis of who our core is. I dont think acquiring wheeler would make him a part of our core.

The core of your team is what you build around and the players you bring to build around the core are expendable by any means necessary.

Exactly. People should learn to read.

There still will be short-tearm vets around for the next decade and probably forever, which will come and leave, new vets will join and leave.

But long-term contracts are the basis of the core you build around.

So far we have one. Dylan Larkin. After Seider extension and things like DeBrincat trade, we could have three and so on. Raymond next etc.

 

[jaster]

Yeah, he's almost as good as Kubalik.

....the 30% of the time Kubalik is not in vanish mode.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I think subconsciously it's a factor of he's never actually playing and his $4M cap hit is pretty inconvenient.


Exactly. If Perron wants to stay, he's staying. Two 4th liners with A's not being kept around has no bearing on Perron.

So... is it safe to say that our roster this year and next in your opinion will and should be the same as the one we finished with in April, albeit raises for Perron, Kubalik, Raymond, Berggren, Rasmussen and Seider?

That is pretty depressing cause that roster was atrocious

 

[norrisnick]

....the 30% of the time Kubalik is not in vanish mode.

So, he's more visible than Fabbri. Got it!

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

If Yzerman goes into the next two drafts with his highest pick being #9 and ends up drafting four guys who won't see NHL ice for 4-5 years, Larkin needs to demand a trade.

 

[jaster]

So, he's more visible than Fabbri. Got it!

Both are fairly equal in terms of visibility. Fabbri vanishes half the time because he's injured. Kubalik vanishes half the time because he's elite in terms of inconsistency. At least when Fabbri vanishes, the team has an opportunity to insert another useful player

 

[norrisnick]

Exactly. We have more than enough room to get a top line player, a 2nd pairing RD, a goalie, and depth. If we go nuts and try to add 2 top line players because we show a ton of space this season we run into serious problems next season. Too many people are all gung ho "cap out" for this summer. We can't cap out. We need to reserve at least $15M for raises on guys we have. We could easily add a guy that's expiring that we have no intention of keeping, but nothing with term.

The only 1 player disagreement I have is just DeBrincat. I don't think he's the guy to invest $8M in for our top 6.

You're welcome.

So... is it safe to say that our roster this year and next in your opinion will and should be the same as the one we finished with in April, albeit raises for Perron, Kubalik, Raymond, Berggren, Rasmussen and Seider?

That is pretty depressing cause that roster was atrocious

See above.

Both are fairly equal in terms of visibility. Fabbri vanishes half the time because he's injured. Kubalik vanishes half the time because he's elite in terms of inconsistency. At least when Fabbri vanishes, the team has an opportunity to insert another useful player

Have you seen our 13th forwards?