Trade Ideas

[Detroit Knights]

here is your leg work with all of the add add add add's

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I don't know why, but for some reason I LOVE a line of soderblom, kasper, berggren for the 3rd line. No idea why, but it seems like it could be a great 3rd line in this league. If anything, switch berggren with mazur to just have a 3rd line that everyone would just be so frustrated to play against because they all can play with some snarl.

 

[kliq]

Article on ESPN Today talking about potential deals:

Red Wings accelerate build, deal for DeBrincat​

Detroit Red Wings get: RW Alex DeBrincat
Ottawa Senators get: LW Carter Mazur, 2023 first-round pick (from NYI via VAN), 2023 second-round pick (from VAN)

Why it works: The return value will be tricky in any DeBrincat deal. The Senators likely want to receive an immediate replacement for DeBrincat who could be inserted into the lineup on opening night. It's possible that particular trade combination might exist elsewhere. But this hypothetical deal does have benefits for both.

The Red Wings need scoring help as they were 24th in goals per game last season. DeBrincat gives them an immediate scoring threat who could also be part of their future plans; let's assume for this that they get a long-term deal inked with him as well. The Red Wings have the cap space, draft capital and prospects to make a deal like this work in their favor. Parting with Mazur would be difficult, because of the promise he has shown at the University of Denver, in the AHL with the Grand Rapids Griffins and with Team USA at the IIHF Men's World Championships. But it allows them to hang on to Simon Edvinsson, Marco Kasper, Sebastian Cossa and Jonatan Berggren.

It is worth noting the Senators currently don't pick until the fourth round in this year's draft. By making this deal, they get a first-rounder, a second-rounder and a 21-year-old prospect in Mazur. That would allow them to recoup something similar to what they gave up last summer when they traded a first-rounder, a second-rounder and a third-rounder to get DeBrincat. Of course, the Sens gave up the No. 7 pick last year, whereas this particular first-round pick would be the No. 17 selection. -- Clark

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Perron re-signs at his current number or a raise. 2nd leading scorer. Wears an A. Well liked. If he wants to stay, he's staying.

Like your Fabbri comment. We can't just pay him less than $4M because he hasn't played. He's already under contract through the '24-'25 season. You want him gone, it will take an asset to move his full contract.

I'm not saying these things because it's what I want to have happen. I'm saying these things because this is the reality we are living in.

He's also in his mid 30s and might just be ready to be done with hockey. OR he might be settling into Detroit and stick by on one year deals for a couple million with the idea that he's a third line guy because they added other players to fill the roles above him. Perron seems like a guy motivated by a comfortable situation more than money at this point in his career.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

That trade would really piss me off. Probably the entire board too.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Article on ESPN Today talking about potential deals:

Red Wings accelerate build, deal for DeBrincat​

Detroit Red Wings get: RW Alex DeBrincat
Ottawa Senators get: LW Carter Mazur, 2023 first-round pick (from NYI via VAN), 2023 second-round pick (from VAN)

Why it works: The return value will be tricky in any DeBrincat deal. The Senators likely want to receive an immediate replacement for DeBrincat who could be inserted into the lineup on opening night. It's possible that particular trade combination might exist elsewhere. But this hypothetical deal does have benefits for both.

The Red Wings need scoring help as they were 24th in goals per game last season. DeBrincat gives them an immediate scoring threat who could also be part of their future plans; let's assume for this that they get a long-term deal inked with him as well. The Red Wings have the cap space, draft capital and prospects to make a deal like this work in their favor. Parting with Mazur would be difficult, because of the promise he has shown at the University of Denver, in the AHL with the Grand Rapids Griffins and with Team USA at the IIHF Men's World Championships. But it allows them to hang on to Simon Edvinsson, Marco Kasper, Sebastian Cossa and Jonatan Berggren.

It is worth noting the Senators currently don't pick until the fourth round in this year's draft. By making this deal, they get a first-rounder, a second-rounder and a 21-year-old prospect in Mazur. That would allow them to recoup something similar to what they gave up last summer when they traded a first-rounder, a second-rounder and a third-rounder to get DeBrincat. Of course, the Sens gave up the No. 7 pick last year, whereas this particular first-round pick would be the No. 17 selection. -- Clark

I'd rather give them something else than Mazur. I'm excited to see Mr. Rackham in Detroit.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Article on ESPN Today talking about potential deals:

Red Wings accelerate build, deal for DeBrincat​

Detroit Red Wings get: RW Alex DeBrincat
Ottawa Senators get: LW Carter Mazur, 2023 first-round pick (from NYI via VAN), 2023 second-round pick (from VAN)

Why it works: The return value will be tricky in any DeBrincat deal. The Senators likely want to receive an immediate replacement for DeBrincat who could be inserted into the lineup on opening night. It's possible that particular trade combination might exist elsewhere. But this hypothetical deal does have benefits for both.

The Red Wings need scoring help as they were 24th in goals per game last season. DeBrincat gives them an immediate scoring threat who could also be part of their future plans; let's assume for this that they get a long-term deal inked with him as well. The Red Wings have the cap space, draft capital and prospects to make a deal like this work in their favor. Parting with Mazur would be difficult, because of the promise he has shown at the University of Denver, in the AHL with the Grand Rapids Griffins and with Team USA at the IIHF Men's World Championships. But it allows them to hang on to Simon Edvinsson, Marco Kasper, Sebastian Cossa and Jonatan Berggren.

It is worth noting the Senators currently don't pick until the fourth round in this year's draft. By making this deal, they get a first-rounder, a second-rounder and a 21-year-old prospect in Mazur. That would allow them to recoup something similar to what they gave up last summer when they traded a first-rounder, a second-rounder and a third-rounder to get DeBrincat. Of course, the Sens gave up the No. 7 pick last year, whereas this particular first-round pick would be the No. 17 selection. -- Clark

I'm not ashamed that I would jettison Berggren 100 times out of 100 over Mazur and not feel a single ounce of doubt.

 

[norrisnick]

here is your leg work with all of the add add add add's

(Snip)

czarnick and chiasson are place holders for whoever we sign. Lindholm was traded for picks and prospects, could include fabbri as well there (i put this for 2024-25 season so lindholm was already ufa in their system).

This also assumed that we don't trade chiarot to arizona (for example) to promote wallinder or sign vet depth D and make aljo full time (as I believe read somewhere that he can play right side?)

I even gave raymond 3x6 and not the 5 mil AAV you put in your spreadsheet.


Would love to bet on this because it won't happen.

Even if it did, take chiasson out of the above roster, slot perron at 4 (he has said he willing to move down in the lineup to stay because he doesn't want to move anymore, so he will also take less then, then again we wont be re-signing him, especially at 4.7) and this roster still fits under the 88 mil cap that has been floating around in reports.

Thank you for showing your work.

Chiarot has an A. I want to disappear him as much as everyone, but he's here for his contract.

2nd pair RD is still an issue. Fixing that should take precedent over a 2nd top 6 forward.

Brace yourself for the Perron extension.

 

[norrisnick]

Article on ESPN Today talking about potential deals:

Red Wings accelerate build, deal for DeBrincat​

Detroit Red Wings get: RW Alex DeBrincat
Ottawa Senators get: LW Carter Mazur, 2023 first-round pick (from NYI via VAN), 2023 second-round pick (from VAN)

Why it works: The return value will be tricky in any DeBrincat deal. The Senators likely want to receive an immediate replacement for DeBrincat who could be inserted into the lineup on opening night. It's possible that particular trade combination might exist elsewhere. But this hypothetical deal does have benefits for both.

The Red Wings need scoring help as they were 24th in goals per game last season. DeBrincat gives them an immediate scoring threat who could also be part of their future plans; let's assume for this that they get a long-term deal inked with him as well. The Red Wings have the cap space, draft capital and prospects to make a deal like this work in their favor. Parting with Mazur would be difficult, because of the promise he has shown at the University of Denver, in the AHL with the Grand Rapids Griffins and with Team USA at the IIHF Men's World Championships. But it allows them to hang on to Simon Edvinsson, Marco Kasper, Sebastian Cossa and Jonatan Berggren.

It is worth noting the Senators currently don't pick until the fourth round in this year's draft. By making this deal, they get a first-rounder, a second-rounder and a 21-year-old prospect in Mazur. That would allow them to recoup something similar to what they gave up last summer when they traded a first-rounder, a second-rounder and a third-rounder to get DeBrincat. Of course, the Sens gave up the No. 7 pick last year, whereas this particular first-round pick would be the No. 17 selection. -- Clark

f*** everything about this trade.

 

[jkutswings]

"90% of the roster is easily replaceable" doesn't exactly scream "playoff team" even assuming some moves will be made

I'm simply hopeful without anointing our prospects prematurely, let alone panicking about cap space. Today's question marks can be tomorrow's great young players, but I'm neither putting the cart before the horse nor handing out contacts like candy.

In practice, I think that along with adding a big piece or two, Raymond will take a big step forward, Edvinsson and Kasper will show solid development, and there will be a surprise or two (maybe Mazur or Berggrens or Soderblom). And yet I'm confident that Yzerman will run things like he always has, knowing who to retain and who to deal in order to keep the roster in good cap shape as his team building unfolds.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Thank you for showing your work.

Chiarot has an A. I want to disappear him as much as everyone, but he's here for his contract.

2nd pair RD is still an issue. Fixing that should take precedent over a 2nd top 6 forward.

Brace yourself for the Perron extension.

Highly doubt chiarot will keep his A this season with seider outperforming him and staying on the first line, especially since you love Lindholm so much he would get the other A from perron. I also said that we could try to trade him since everyone here seems to hate his cap hit for what he does. It was a suggestion and he was still on the roster that I put in there.

Gudas could probably overtake chiarot for 2nd RD if Chiarot doesn't step up. Or we could do what I have been saying and add some more picks to a trade for 11OA + Tyler Myers, maybe have Chiarot go the other way and place Myers in Chiarot's position. We would still be under the cap.

No need to brace myself for that extension impact because it isn't coming at the price you think it is, or at all for that matter.

f*** everything about this trade.

Yes, this trade proposal is disgusting

 

[WaW]

f*** everything about this trade.

Yup, agreed. I think everyone kinda looks at the Fiala for #19 + Brock Faber as the comparable, but so many people (particularly Ottawa fans) get the value of that trade horribly wrong.

It was #19 + the 2022, still very much a "B" prospect who had a disappointing D+2 year version of Brock Faber. Not the player who absolutely popped off in 2023 and morphed into a B+/A- prospect after the trade.

I would at least consider #17 + a player in that 2022 mould. I would consider someone like Berggren, Johansson, or Soderblom to be more of that value. They don't get an equivalent to the 2023 version of Brock Faber...I don't get why these people still think that's the comparison.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Article on ESPN Today talking about potential deals:

Red Wings accelerate build, deal for DeBrincat​

Detroit Red Wings get: RW Alex DeBrincat
Ottawa Senators get: LW Carter Mazur, 2023 first-round pick (from NYI via VAN), 2023 second-round pick (from VAN)

Why it works: The return value will be tricky in any DeBrincat deal. The Senators likely want to receive an immediate replacement for DeBrincat who could be inserted into the lineup on opening night. It's possible that particular trade combination might exist elsewhere. But this hypothetical deal does have benefits for both.

The Red Wings need scoring help as they were 24th in goals per game last season. DeBrincat gives them an immediate scoring threat who could also be part of their future plans; let's assume for this that they get a long-term deal inked with him as well. The Red Wings have the cap space, draft capital and prospects to make a deal like this work in their favor. Parting with Mazur would be difficult, because of the promise he has shown at the University of Denver, in the AHL with the Grand Rapids Griffins and with Team USA at the IIHF Men's World Championships. But it allows them to hang on to Simon Edvinsson, Marco Kasper, Sebastian Cossa and Jonatan Berggren.

It is worth noting the Senators currently don't pick until the fourth round in this year's draft. By making this deal, they get a first-rounder, a second-rounder and a 21-year-old prospect in Mazur. That would allow them to recoup something similar to what they gave up last summer when they traded a first-rounder, a second-rounder and a third-rounder to get DeBrincat. Of course, the Sens gave up the No. 7 pick last year, whereas this particular first-round pick would be the No. 17 selection. -- Clark

Mazur for debrincat (in the current situation, not signed or a trade deadline deal) would make a lot more sense as far as value goes, but I still won't give up Mazur for debrincat, no matter how much I would like debrincat. That would be too expensive at that point.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Florida needs D. At the same time is there a better fit for him on linemates than Tkachuk and Bennett. They have cap space too…

Adding a small scoring winger to Florida doesn't make them win over Vegas. Like you said, they need defense. Montour and Ekblad as your #1 and #2 is mid tier in the league and was probably the worst top pair of any playoff team this year. If they're smart they'll add some depth behind those guys.

Article on ESPN Today talking about potential deals:

Red Wings accelerate build, deal for DeBrincat​

Detroit Red Wings get: RW Alex DeBrincat
Ottawa Senators get: LW Carter Mazur, 2023 first-round pick (from NYI via VAN), 2023 second-round pick (from VAN)

Why it works: The return value will be tricky in any DeBrincat deal. The Senators likely want to receive an immediate replacement for DeBrincat who could be inserted into the lineup on opening night. It's possible that particular trade combination might exist elsewhere. But this hypothetical deal does have benefits for both.

The Red Wings need scoring help as they were 24th in goals per game last season. DeBrincat gives them an immediate scoring threat who could also be part of their future plans; let's assume for this that they get a long-term deal inked with him as well. The Red Wings have the cap space, draft capital and prospects to make a deal like this work in their favor. Parting with Mazur would be difficult, because of the promise he has shown at the University of Denver, in the AHL with the Grand Rapids Griffins and with Team USA at the IIHF Men's World Championships. But it allows them to hang on to Simon Edvinsson, Marco Kasper, Sebastian Cossa and Jonatan Berggren.

It is worth noting the Senators currently don't pick until the fourth round in this year's draft. By making this deal, they get a first-rounder, a second-rounder and a 21-year-old prospect in Mazur. That would allow them to recoup something similar to what they gave up last summer when they traded a first-rounder, a second-rounder and a third-rounder to get DeBrincat. Of course, the Sens gave up the No. 7 pick last year, whereas this particular first-round pick would be the No. 17 selection. -- Clark

No. That's an overpay.

Ottawa are not getting a better deal for DeBrincat than they gave Shitcago last season.

They'll likely get a 1st and a 2nd. NOT a prospect with that package.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Like I said. Everyone is "add add add add" but don't do any of the legwork to see if it is even feasible. Fabbri isn't just magically going away. We have to pay someone to take his full $4M. Perron is wearing an A, if he wants to stay, he's staying. If not Kubalik, who and for how much?

They are listed because either them or a replacement player will need to be in those spots. If you have things in mind? Great. Show your work.

Typically, and I would expect in any deal for Debrincat or Lindholm, teams include a salary "dump." In our case that would be Fabbri I would speculate.

I am not sure if we added those two names that it meant Perron was coming back and for more money.. but he may

Likewise for Kubalik

Everything else though is just hypothetical.

I agree though with your other point that fixing the 2nd pair RD takes precedence over adding 2 top 6 forwards this summer via trade

f*** everything about this trade.

100% agree with you on this.

 

[saska sault]

Blake Wheeler possible trade or buy out.. Id take him for Zadina.. They save money, we swap spare parts. Wheeler becomes a solid veteran to stabilize middle of the line up.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Blake Wheeler possible trade or buy out.. Id take him for Zadina.. They save money, we swap spare parts. Wheeler becomes a solid veteran to stabilize middle of the line up.

and then could be trade deadline bait with retention.

 

[Henkka]

No. That's an overpay.

Ottawa are not getting a better deal for DeBrincat than they gave Shitcago last season.

They'll likely get a 1st and a 2nd. NOT a prospect with that package.

Nice trade but not for Mazur. Some other prospect please. I see also it as 1st + 2nd, and that's it. Wouldn't mind if Zadina goes too.

That would be nice goal-scorer fix from the 2018 draft.

DeBrincat has scored more than any 2018 draft forward except Brady Tkachuk on last 2 seasons as a comparison. Of course he is a bit older, but par with Andrei Svechnikov.

2018 draft class

Last 2 season scoring
Q.Hughes 0.94 points per game
B.Tkachuk 0.93
(DeBrincat 0.88, 2016 draft class)
A.Svechnikov 0.87
Dahlin 0.80
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Farabee 0.50 (3rd best 2018 class forward)
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Zadina 0.30 (30th best player of 2018 class)

It was just a weak class and this kind of trade for strong class player would be a perfect fix, if the price is right and caphit won't skyrocket.

 

[norrisnick]

Blake Wheeler possible trade or buy out.. Id take him for Zadina.. They save money, we swap spare parts. Wheeler becomes a solid veteran to stabilize middle of the line up.

Zadina? I'd take him for their 1st round pick.

We have a ton of space this year then let him walk. Yeet him to wherever if he is in fact the source of issues in Winterpeg's locker room.

 

[Holden Caufield]

Blake Wheeler possible trade or buy out.. Id take him for Zadina.. They save money, we swap spare parts. Wheeler becomes a solid veteran to stabilize middle of the line up.

I doubt it. He has NMC/NTC
He can force a buyout and take the 5.5M from Winny and then sign with whatever team (presumably a contender) he wants.

But I am an enormous Blake Wheeler Stan. Always been a favorite non Wings player of mine. So it would be awesome to see him in a winged wheel

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Adding a small scoring winger to Florida doesn't make them win over Vegas. Like you said, they need defense. Montour and Ekblad as your #1 and #2 is mid tier in the league and was probably the worst top pair of any playoff team this year. If they're smart they'll add some depth behind those guys.



No. That's an overpay.

Ottawa are not getting a better deal for DeBrincat than they gave Shitcago last season.

They'll likely get a 1st and a 2nd. NOT a prospect with that package.

Having a pp not go 0fer would have helped…

I just think they will invest on the backend. But I like the fit for him there. That line would be a nightmare to play against. They could move Reinhart for some defensive answers or in the Debrincat package.

I think if Yzerman does acquire him he moves a couple of the seconds to jump back into the first. Perhaps he does that offering them a pick in the 20s and keeps 17.

 

[GreatGordie9]

I hope the Wings are not looking at OEL in FA. ?

 

[norrisnick]

I hope the Wings are not looking at OEL in FA. ?

10 years too late for that. We don't need a LHD. We should be fine on that front.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Blake Wheeler possible trade or buy out.. Id take him for Zadina.. They save money, we swap spare parts. Wheeler becomes a solid veteran to stabilize middle of the line up.

Blake Wheeler is a locker room problem. Guy was stripped of his captaincy and is apparently a world class douchenozzle. No thank you.

 

[Henkka]

I hope the Wings are not looking at OEL in FA. ?

Think that's a contender gamble. HE could sign for 1.5M or what ever. Not fit on our timeline.

I'd rather have righty Strålman as 8th D for league minimun to mentor Wallinder/Edvinsson.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Having a pp not go 0fer would have helped…

I just think they will invest on the backend. But I like the fit for him there. That line would be a nightmare to play against. They could move Reinhart for some defensive answers or in the Debrincat package.

I think if Yzerman does acquire him he moves a couple of the seconds to jump back into the first. Perhaps he does that offering them a pick in the 20s and keeps 17.

That's more in line with what I would assume. I think DeBrincat is worth 2 2nds and a B prospect now, or a mid/late 1st and a B/C prospect. The most recent deal for a player like DeBrincat is the Fiala trade and that was a 1st and Brock Faber (An A prospect), and Fiala is better than DeBrincat. Also Fiala didn't give a list that said to trade him to tax-free states or his hometown team.

When trading prospects I think our top 6 of Edvinsson, Kasper, Mazur, Soderblom, Wallinder and Cossa are untouchable. I'm hesitant to trade AlJo or Buchelnikov, but any other prospect is on the table. Hanas, Buium, Viro, McIsaac, Dower-Nilsson or anyone else.