Trade Ideas

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I want DeBrincat. A trade like that shows commitment to fielding a team that can win and attracts other trades and signings. He is also young enough that a long-term contract lets you start building a nice young core of Larkin/Cat/Raymond/Berggren/Kasper/Seider/Edvinsson that will be around for 6-8 years.

I'm not sure if I'm willing to trade Berggren as part of acquiring him. Berggren might already be the best passer on the team. If you can get deep enough that Berggren falls to the third line, you can roll three scoring lines and win by committee.

We are big enough at forward and defense that we can play a few smaller guys. Raymond, Berggren, and DeBrincat are the only guys who would be under six feet. Just try not to have them on the same line.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Playing with or behind a HOFer will certainly help with that. On the Wings DeBrincat will suddenly be the focal point of defensive coverage and I don't think he's the kind of player that can deal with that. He's sneaky but he's no Brett Hull in that regard.

If we are burning top shelf assets, bring in a guy that can be the guy. Not the guy riding coattails of the guy. I would gladly pay more in a trade and get an actual play driver. Or go bargain hopping. But giving up 1sts + and then paying $8-9M for a guy that needs to be spoonfed? Nah...

Add a 1st to whatever package you've got penciled in for DeBrincat and get Keller from Arizona. Use the same package and get Nylander, at least he's a bigger body. Split the difference and get Connor. Vancouver is dumb, steal Pettersson. Look for the guys that are driving their lines.

Everyone is focusing on DeBrincat because he's forcing himself out of Ottawa. If he's desperate to come home, he can come home next July. Call up the brass like Hossa did.

Do you honestly believe Yzerman has not explored these options? I think a lot of people around here would prefer Pettersson, Connor, keller, and maybe nylander but are they realistic options to go after?

Debrincat has been linked in multiple publications to detroit. It came out today that he is willing to sign an extension with dallas and detroit. He is the most gettable from the options you have decided to go with.

We all want Pettersson over Debrincat. I feel very confident saying that for everyone on here, including yourself. But has there been trade rumors of pettersson wanting to play in detroit? How about Nylander? Connor? Keller? No. There has been zero connection other than everyone here saying we would love to have them. Could be wrong, but I don't think there has been any news from anywhere saying any of these guys have us on their list. I'll hedge my bets and say maybe Connor.

 

[RabidBadger]

I feel like I'm in the movie "Groundhogs Day" sifting through all these regurgitated Debrincat posts. Same shit, different page.

Anyway, of the teams Debrincat is associated with I think Detroit is the least likely landing spot being a division rival. If we do happen to land him, how about we give it at least half a season before deciding if it was a good pick up or not? I think several people may have changed their tune about Copp during the latter part of last season.

 

[jkutswings]

If we do happen to land him, how about we give it at least half a season before deciding if it was a good pick up or not? I think several people may have changed their tune about Copp during the latter part of last season.

Maybe Debrincat can be the new 2C.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Do you honestly believe Yzerman has not explored these options? I think a lot of people around here would prefer Pettersson, Connor, keller, and maybe nylander but are they realistic options to go after?

Debrincat has been linked in multiple publications to detroit. It came out today that he is willing to sign an extension with dallas and detroit. He is the most gettable from the options you have decided to go with.

We all want Pettersson over Debrincat. I feel very confident saying that for everyone on here, including yourself. But has there been trade rumors of pettersson wanting to play in detroit? How about Nylander? Connor? Keller? No. There has been zero connection other than everyone here saying we would love to have them. Could be wrong, but I don't think there has been any news from anywhere saying any of these guys have us on their list. I'll hedge my bets and say maybe Connor.

The Wings have the cap space, assets, and flexibility to go after more than one guy at a time.

If Yzerman spends assets to acquire a top-6 winger, he'd have to be dumb not to immediately start lining up another center. I think the plan for Copp was always to have him center the third line when we were competing.

With a lot of our core in RFA, now is the time to strike before those years are wasted.

 

[Detroit Knights]

I feel like I'm in the movie "Groundhogs Day" sifting through all these regurgitated Debrincat posts. Same shit, different page.

Anyway, of the teams Debrincat is associated with I think Detroit is the least likely landing spot being a division rival. If we do happen to land him, how about we give it at least half a season before deciding if it was a good pick up or not? I think several people may have changed their tune about Copp during the latter part of last season.

Definitely agree with second paragraph. It was pretty annoying watching Copp in the beginning before I realized he had what torn abs or something? Yeah, that'll mess you up strength wise and on the faceoff dot. Significantly better towards the end and am excited for this next year with him as a full season without that injury.

The Wings have the cap space, assets, and flexibility to go after more than one guy at a time.

If Yzerman spends assets to acquire a top-6 winger, he'd have to be dumb not to immediately start lining up another center. I think the plan for Copp was always to have him center the third line when we were competing.

With a lot of our core in RFA, now is the time to strike before those years are wasted.

I do not disagree that we have the ability with our picks/prospects/cap space. I would prefer any one of those guys at or more than debrincat; however, we have no links to any of those players at all other than debrincat.

It's simple math at that point. BUT if there becomes a link with us and one of those guys, then I would obviously go for them instead of debrincat more.

 

[jaster]

I'm not a huge Debrincat fan, and I would have some worry about a big contract, but getting him for Berggren (probably the most overrated player on this forum)? Or Zadina? As the centerpieces? Yeah that's an easy one. Debrincat isn't a complete player, but he has an elite talent, and this team sorely lacks elite talent. And it just so happens that the elite talent they lack the most is the one he possesses.

I'm warming up to this idea, given the rumored costs.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Definitely agree with second paragraph. It was pretty annoying watching Copp in the beginning before I realized he had what torn abs or something? Yeah, that'll mess you up strength wise and on the faceoff dot. Significantly better towards the end and am excited for this next year with him as a full season without that injury.


I do not disagree that we have the ability with our picks/prospects/cap space. I would prefer any one of those guys at or more than debrincat; however, we have no links to any of those players at all other than debrincat.

It's simple math at that point. BUT if there becomes a link with us and one of those guys, then I would obviously go for them instead of debrincat more.

I think an overlooked player here is Lindholm out of Calgary. We could likely get him and DeBrincat for 17 OA this year, Boston's first next year, and a combination of Zadina/Veleno/2nds.

Run Debrincat with Lindholm on the second line with Kubalik-Larkin-Raymond drawing attention on the first and he probably pots 40 again.

 

[Detroit Knights]

I think an overlooked player here is Lindholm out of Calgary. We could likely get him and DeBrincat for 17 OA this year, Boston's first next year, and a combination of Zadina/Veleno/2nds.

Run Debrincat with Lindholm on the second line with Kubalik-Larkin-Raymond drawing attention on the first and he probably pots 40 again.

I'm not terribly opposed to this idea. 17OA would really suck to use for this years draft. I think Kubalik is definitely good enough to be on the first and would rather him be there and on PP1. Could even change it to ray with lindholm (both swedish so maybe more of a connection?) and debrincat with larkin (both michigan boys same general area growing up right?). Sometimes those connections do something, sometimes not.

We don't need Zadina, Veleno seems to be staying because we aren't signing Suter (as of now), and yzerman just had a press conference today and he basically said he's willing to move all 3 seconds (don't think he said to move up in the draft or trade for roster players)

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

I think an overlooked player here is Lindholm out of Calgary. We could likely get him and DeBrincat for 17 OA this year, Boston's first next year, and a combination of Zadina/Veleno/2nds.

Run Debrincat with Lindholm on the second line with Kubalik-Larkin-Raymond drawing attention on the first and he probably pots 40 again.

Yes. 100% yes.

With that add as well, I'd love our top two lines. and I'd still like them if a piece was out injured too.

Debrincat
Larkin
Raymond
Lindholm
Perron
Kubalik

would be a hell of a top 6 and outside of Perron, either very young or relatively young.

If you can add those two and can keep in the organization: a first in 2023, a first in 2024, Edvinsson, Kasper, and Raymond? I do it. I do it in a heartbeat.

 

[norrisnick]

Do you honestly believe Yzerman has not explored these options? I think a lot of people around here would prefer Pettersson, Connor, keller, and maybe nylander but are they realistic options to go after?

Debrincat has been linked in multiple publications to detroit. It came out today that he is willing to sign an extension with dallas and detroit. He is the most gettable from the options you have decided to go with.

We all want Pettersson over Debrincat. I feel very confident saying that for everyone on here, including yourself. But has there been trade rumors of pettersson wanting to play in detroit? How about Nylander? Connor? Keller? No. There has been zero connection other than everyone here saying we would love to have them. Could be wrong, but I don't think there has been any news from anywhere saying any of these guys have us on their list. I'll hedge my bets and say maybe Connor.

The only reason there is any noise with Debrincat and Detroit is his place of birth and assumptions being made about that. Same thing will happen with Connor if/when news starts cranking up about his departure. We will never hear anything about who Yzerman is interested in or who he has asked about.

No one knows what is realistic until it happens.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

The Wings have the cap space, assets, and flexibility to go after more than one guy at a time.

If Yzerman spends assets to acquire a top-6 winger, he'd have to be dumb not to immediately start lining up another center. I think the plan for Copp was always to have him center the third line when we were competing.

With a lot of our core in RFA, now is the time to strike before those years are wasted.

He could go after ROR in free agency and not spend assets.

 

[jaster]

He could go after ROR in free agency and not spend assets.

The only reason there is any noise with Debrincat and Detroit is his place of birth and assumptions being made about that.

Wasn't it reported that Debrincat said he would only re-sign for Dallas or Detroit? Seems like more than just assumptions, unless that news piece was pure conjecture.

 

[norrisnick]

I think an overlooked player here is Lindholm out of Calgary. We could likely get him and DeBrincat for 17 OA this year, Boston's first next year, and a combination of Zadina/Veleno/2nds.

Run Debrincat with Lindholm on the second line with Kubalik-Larkin-Raymond drawing attention on the first and he probably pots 40 again.

I'm down to play this game. For now DeBrincat can be a placeholder for a similarly salaried winger.

Some key questions.
1. What is the contract for DeBrincat and the extension for Lindholm? 8x$8.5M for DeBrincat/Mystery Winger and 8x$8M for Lindholm? That seems to be market value, right?
2. Are there any efforts to shore up the right side of the defense behind Mo?
3. What are the plans for Perron and Kubalik after this year? Kubalik would need a substantial raise if retained.
4. Are we locking in Mo and Ray for full term? Trying to bridge? Same question for Ras and Bergie (provided he survives the trade).

I keep stressing these points in various threads because there are 4 players under a combined contract of $4.2M this season (the ones referenced in question 4) that we'll be hard pressed to keep under a combined $20M next season. We have what looks like a ton of cap space this year. But any additions that are beyond one year, will need to be carefully scrutinized.

 

[norrisnick]

Wasn't it reported that Debrincat said he would only re-sign for Dallas or Detroit? Seems like more than just assumptions, unless that news piece was pure conjecture.

Reported by whom and when?

Good luck shoe-horning him into Dallas. Is Ottawa planning to take on Seguin? But if those are legitimately his only choices? That just drives his trade value and contract price even further down. I wouldn't mind DeBrincat for a 2nd and extended at $6M.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

He could go after ROR in free agency and not spend assets.

Not preferred but I wouldn't oppose it. ROR could be a good stopgap until we see if Kasper can handle 2c.

I am not too worried about the cap as it's expected to rise over the next few years and we aren't carrying any 10+ million contracts. Perron, Fabbri, and Chiarot's contracts all end within the next 3 seasons and will likely be replaced by younger, cheaper players (assuming trades/signings of legit top-6 forwards). That frees up 13 million.

Yzerman has to build a winning team before our RFAs hit UFA if he wants any chance at discounts, otherwise they will all bolt.

 

[jaster]

Reported by whom and when?

Good luck shoe-horning him into Dallas. Is Ottawa planning to take on Seguin? But if those are legitimately his only choices? That just drives his trade value and contract price even further down. I wouldn't mind DeBrincat for a 2nd and extended at $6M.

I think Sean Shapiro? Within the past couple days? Someone posted a link in one of these threads. Pretty sure it was one of those "inside sources" things where it's up to us to decide how much credibility we want to give it. But it's not the first time in recent weeks someone reported that Detroit is on his short list. Where there's smoke....

 

[norrisnick]

I think Sean Shapiro? Within the past couple days? Someone posted a link in one of these threads. Pretty sure it was one of those "inside sources" things where it's up to us to decide how much credibility we want to give it. But it's not the first time in recent weeks someone reported that Detroit is on his short list. Where there's smoke....

I can't wait for the year of Hellebuyck smoke that awaits us... that'll be fun...

Not preferred but I wouldn't oppose it. ROR could be a good stopgap until we see if Kasper can handle 2c.

That's what Copp is for. How many expensive 3Cs do we need to squeeze into this roster?

I don't get the bipolar viewpoints of this board.

We need skill and talent and yes it will be expensive!

Let's sign an old 3C to top 6 money because... reasons!

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

DeBrincat to Dallas is pretty tough.

Dallas Stars Salary Cap, Draft Picks, and Player Contracts - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

7.394 mil in space, 17 players signed. If they are able to give Benn the boot then it's an easy deal. If they move Marchment there's a little bit of wiggling and he seems to fit the kind of player that Dorion values above all others, though it would be a huge downgrade at forward for them.

From a cap and fit standpoint Detroit makes the most sense. However if Ottawa wants to play hardball then I'd guess DeBrincat takes what arbitration offers and then he's traded at the deadline as a rental. I think that is the most likely of events.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

That's what Copp is for. How many expensive 3Cs do we need to squeeze into this roster?

Copp is a below-average 2c on his best day. He's the kind of "core" roster player that helps guarantee you a pick in the 8-14 range.

ROR has won a cup and his worst uninjured season is still worlds ahead of Copp's best.

 

[norrisnick]

Copp is a below-average 2c on his best day. He's the kind of "core" roster player that helps guarantee you a pick in the 8-14 range.

Where is St Louis picking? ROR was the captain of that particular ship for most of the season.

And note that I did refer to Copp as an expensive 3C...

 

[RedHawkDown]

Yes. 100% yes.

With that add as well, I'd love our top two lines. and I'd still like them if a piece was out injured too.

Debrincat
Larkin
Raymond
Lindholm
Perron
Kubalik

would be a hell of a top 6 and outside of Perron, either very young or relatively young.

If you can add those two and can keep in the organization: a first in 2023, a first in 2024, Edvinsson, Kasper, and Raymond? I do it. I do it in a heartbeat.

Man, this is not a hell of a top 6. I sometimes feel like people here have no concept of what the rest of the league is icing.

Let’s stick to JUST our division.

Marner-Matthews-Bunting
Nylander-Tavares-Knies

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Batherson
Xx-Norris-Giroux

Tkachuk-Barkov-Verhaeghe
Bennett-Reinhart-duclair

Kucherov-Stamkos-Hagel
Cirelli-Point-Killorn


The bruins speak for themselves. Only the Sabres and Montreal would have an arguably comparable or worse top 6, and the Sabres only because they’re unproven. And then there’s Carolina, NJ, NYR, etc in the east that we’d be firmly behind.

 

[jkutswings]

Off-Season Watch: Who's on Ottawa Senators RFA Alex DeBrincat's preferred trade list? | TSN

Ahead of the NHL Draft on June 28-29 and the opening of free agency on July 1, TSN.ca keeps you up to date with all the latest rumours and speculation from around the NHL beat.

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"TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun reported earlier this month that DeBrincat had submitted a preferred list of trade destinations to the Senators, with Bruce Garrioch of Postmedia now revealing some of those teams."

"Garrioch reports DeBrincat's list is believed to include the Dallas Stars, Nashville Predators, Florida Panthers, Vegas Golden Knights and the Detroit Red Wings."


There it is in black and white. Detroit is at least an option. We'll see how mutual that interest is with regards to whether there's a deal and a contract both sides could agree upon.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Man, this is not a hell of a top 6. I sometimes feel like people here have no concept of what the rest of the league is icing.

Let’s stick to JUST our division.

Marner-Matthews-Bunting
Nylander-Tavares-Knies

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Batherson
Xx-Norris-Giroux

Tkachuk-Barkov-Verhaeghe
Bennett-Reinhart-duclair

Kucherov-Stamkos-Hagel
Cirelli-Point-Killorn


The bruins speak for themselves. Only the Sabres and Montreal would have an arguably comparable or worse top 6, and the Sabres only because they’re unproven. And then there’s Carolina, NJ, NYR, etc in the east that we’d be firmly behind.

Guess we should just fold the team then, no point in trying to add better players than the handful of AHLers and empty roster spots we have now.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Guess we should just fold the team then, no point in trying to add better players than the handful of AHLers and empty roster spots we have now.

That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying we need to target real difference makers that let us compete with those teams that have Barkovs and Hughes and Stutzles up front, and if we can’t get those, then try to build through the draft and be patient. Signing guys like Cat and Lindholm to be the key pieces to take us to a competitive phase is how you end up making the playoffs for a bunch fo years, losing every year in round 1-3, then having to rebuild.

See: Nashville, San Jose, NYI, MTL, Calgary, etc