Trade Ideas

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Absolutely. Target high end. Not a tiny top 6 shooter that is only linked to us because he's from the state.

Find a bigger hill to die on than DeBrincat.

A tiny top 6 shooter that has scored fewer than 20 goals once and has averaged 30 goals annually.

You want to ride the Berggren or Zadina or whatever train, that’s your prerogative. Debrincat is an option because he’s a top flight goal scorer that would be joining a team who BADLY BADLY needs one of those

 

[norrisnick]

A tiny top 6 shooter that has scored fewer than 20 goals once and has averaged 30 goals annually.

You want to ride the Berggren or Zadina or whatever train, that’s your prerogative. Debrincat is an option because he’s a top flight goal scorer that would be joining a team who BADLY BADLY needs one of those

Playing with or behind a HOFer will certainly help with that. On the Wings DeBrincat will suddenly be the focal point of defensive coverage and I don't think he's the kind of player that can deal with that. He's sneaky but he's no Brett Hull in that regard.

If we are burning top shelf assets, bring in a guy that can be the guy. Not the guy riding coattails of the guy. I would gladly pay more in a trade and get an actual play driver. Or go bargain hopping. But giving up 1sts + and then paying $8-9M for a guy that needs to be spoonfed? Nah...

Add a 1st to whatever package you've got penciled in for DeBrincat and get Keller from Arizona. Use the same package and get Nylander, at least he's a bigger body. Split the difference and get Connor. Vancouver is dumb, steal Pettersson. Look for the guys that are driving their lines.

Everyone is focusing on DeBrincat because he's forcing himself out of Ottawa. If he's desperate to come home, he can come home next July. Call up the brass like Hossa did.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

I'll take an 8x6.25m extended DeBrincat for a 3rd

Fine. I'll take an 8x6.25m extended DeBrincat for a 3rd AND Zadina

 

[Hen Kolland]

I'll bite.

Berggren's potential is that he scores around the same rate as Debrincat, maybe a little less.

Berggren will also not screw up the cap.

Berggren’s potential has never and will never be as high as DeBrincat’s because DeBrincat has the ace up his sleeve. He can score 40+. He’s done it twice and paced for 50 in a Covid shortened season.

If Berggren’s ultimate potential is a point per game rate (something DeBrincat had done or been near multiple seasons by 23), he will end up cashing in a contract that’s equivalent of DeBrincat. You have to realize that the salary cap landscape creates a sort of earnings certainty for certain levels of performance.

If player A score X number of points and signs for 10% of the cap now, then player B scores X number of points in 3 years, odds are he’s going to sign for around 10% of the cap assuming similar terms.

Good players cost more money. And the rate of pay grows in a non-linear fashion relative to production. Nick can ignore it all he wants, but there’s a trend that makes this abundantly clear. It’s just the landscape of NHL hockey contracts.

 

[Rolo Tomassi]

I like Berggren. Im gonna give myself some good Karma and bet that if he ever scores 40, I will change my handle to “Crosby is GOAT” or something similarly barf-worthy.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Playing with or behind a HOFer will certainly help with that. On the Wings DeBrincat will suddenly be the focal point of defensive coverage and I don't think he's the kind of player that can deal with that. He's sneaky but he's no Brett Hull in that regard.

If we are burning top shelf assets, bring in a guy that can be the guy. Not the guy riding coattails of the guy. I would gladly pay more in a trade and get an actual play driver. Or go bargain hopping. But giving up 1sts + and then paying $8-9M for a guy that needs to be spoonfed? Nah...

Add a 1st to whatever package you've got penciled in for DeBrincat and get Keller from Arizona. Use the same package and get Nylander, at least he's a bigger body. Split the difference and get Connor. Vancouver is dumb, steal Pettersson. Look for the guys that are driving their lines.

Everyone is focusing on DeBrincat because he's forcing himself out of Ottawa. If he's desperate to come home, he can come home next July. Call up the brass like Hossa did.

They're talking #17 and Jonatan Berggren. Sorry to say, those aren't top shelf assets. Those are the assets that you deal at the deadline to get a rental.

Is Keller actually available?
Is Nylander actually available?
Vancouver isn't going to trade you Pettersson. You might think they're dumb, but they do know when they have good hockey players. Sure, they completely wasted assets on OEL and Garland but that doesn't mean they're going to piss away a top flight player to you for nothing.

Everyone is focusing on Debrincat because he's forcing himself out of Ottawa because you're potentially getting a 40 goal scorer for a mid first and a mid prospect and certainly are getting a guy 6 years into his career who's had less than 20 goals once and has averaged 30 per year his entire career.

He's scored over 180 goals, sorry to say, he wasn't spoonfed all of those. Honestly, I don't give a flying shit that he's from Farmington Hills. He's a damn good goal scorer and this team is in dire need of a damn good goal scorer. And although he's short and slight, he's physically engaged in the play and he hardly ever gets hurt. Add Cat and you've then got Kubalik-Larkin-Raymond/Cat and Perron-Copp/Kasper-Raymond/Cat. You actually have two really great forward lines.

 

[norrisnick]

They're talking #17 and Jonatan Berggren. Sorry to say, those aren't top shelf assets. Those are the assets that you deal at the deadline to get a rental.

Is Keller actually available?
Is Nylander actually available?
Vancouver isn't going to trade you Pettersson. You might think they're dumb, but they do know when they have good hockey players. Sure, they completely wasted assets on OEL and Garland but that doesn't mean they're going to piss away a top flight player to you for nothing.

Everyone is focusing on Debrincat because he's forcing himself out of Ottawa because you're potentially getting a 40 goal scorer for a mid first and a mid prospect and certainly are getting a guy 6 years into his career who's had less than 20 goals once and has averaged 30 per year his entire career.

He's scored over 180 goals, sorry to say, he wasn't spoonfed all of those. Honestly, I don't give a flying shit that he's from Farmington Hills. He's a damn good goal scorer and this team is in dire need of a damn good goal scorer. And although he's short and slight, he's physically engaged in the play and he hardly ever gets hurt. Add Cat and you've then got Kubalik-Larkin-Raymond/Cat and Perron-Copp/Kasper-Raymond/Cat. You actually have two really great forward lines.

And we aren't yet at the point where we should be rental shopping.

Everyone is available with enough offered.

Vancouver gave us a 1st and 2nd for Hronek and a 4th. They can be taken advantage of.

Again, we aren't getting a potential 40 goal scorer out of DeBrincat unless we significantly upgrade around him. Ottawa had a better offense than us and he only got himself 27 there. The one time Debrincat didn't get 20? Kubalik scored 30 as a rookie on the same team and he scored 20 with us in year 4.

Great is stretched mighty thin there.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Canucks fan here.

I was wondering how y’all would feel with a trade around:

Maata, Rasmussen, McIsaac, 17 OA + 43rd

For our 11th OA + 75th + 89th, Nils Hoglander

The idea is that you guys can pick 2 marquee forwards with your 9th and 11th (Benson, Leonard, Wood, Danielson, Barlow) or perhaps even Willander if Yzerman is as high on him as it’s been reported.

To move up 6 spots, you’d give up Rasmussen and Maata. I know it seems like a lot, however, the difference between the 11th OA and the 17th in this draft is significant. We’d be sacrificing getting a top tier forward at 11 for immediate help now, and a lower potential player at 17.

We trade our 2 3rd rounders for our 43rd back. And we swap 2 young players. McIsaac would most likely play on our defense next year, and Hoglander will provide offense and is a speedy, gritty, and skilled player.

Let me know who you’d add, subtract, etc.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Canucks fan here.

I was wondering how y’all would feel with a trade around:

Maata, Rasmussen, McIsaac, 17 OA + 43rd

For our 11th OA + 75th + 89th, Nils Hoglander

The idea is that you guys can pick 2 marquee forwards with your 9th and 11th (Benson, Leonard, Wood, Danielson, Barlow) or perhaps even Willander if Yzerman is as high on him as it’s been reported.

To move up 6 spots, you’d give up Rasmussen and Maata. I know it seems like a lot, however, the difference between the 11th OA and the 17th in this draft is significant. We’d be sacrificing getting a top tier forward at 11 for immediate help now, and a lower potential player at 17.

We trade our 2 3rd rounders for our 43rd back. And we swap 2 young players. McIsaac would most likely play on our defense next year, and Hoglander will provide offense and is a speedy, gritty, and skilled player.

Let me know who you’d add, subtract, etc.

McIsaac for Höglander? Ok.

43 for 75+89? Value is bad for the Wings. #89 isn't worth moving down an entire round.

17+Määttä+Rasmussen for 11? Terrible. Subtract Rasmussen and I consider it.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Canucks fan here.

I was wondering how y’all would feel with a trade around:

Maata, Rasmussen, McIsaac, 17 OA + 43rd

For our 11th OA + 75th + 89th, Nils Hoglander

The idea is that you guys can pick 2 marquee forwards with your 9th and 11th (Benson, Leonard, Wood, Danielson, Barlow) or perhaps even Willander if Yzerman is as high on him as it’s been reported.

To move up 6 spots, you’d give up Rasmussen and Maata. I know it seems like a lot, however, the difference between the 11th OA and the 17th in this draft is significant. We’d be sacrificing getting a top tier forward at 11 for immediate help now, and a lower potential player at 17.

We trade our 2 3rd rounders for our 43rd back. And we swap 2 young players. McIsaac would most likely play on our defense next year, and Hoglander will provide offense and is a speedy, gritty, and skilled player.

Let me know who you’d add, subtract, etc.

No interest. I would want so many things added or removed that it would not remotely resemble this trade.

 

[Oddbob]

Playing with or behind a HOFer will certainly help with that. On the Wings DeBrincat will suddenly be the focal point of defensive coverage and I don't think he's the kind of player that can deal with that. He's sneaky but he's no Brett Hull in that regard.

If we are burning top shelf assets, bring in a guy that can be the guy. Not the guy riding coattails of the guy. I would gladly pay more in a trade and get an actual play driver. Or go bargain hopping. But giving up 1sts + and then paying $8-9M for a guy that needs to be spoonfed? Nah...

Add a 1st to whatever package you've got penciled in for DeBrincat and get Keller from Arizona. Use the same package and get Nylander, at least he's a bigger body. Split the difference and get Connor. Vancouver is dumb, steal Pettersson. Look for the guys that are driving their lines.

Everyone is focusing on DeBrincat because he's forcing himself out of Ottawa. If he's desperate to come home, he can come home next July. Call up the brass like Hossa did.

This could easily happen with Nylander as well. He has had the insulation of Matthews, Marner and Tavares his whole career. In Detroit it would be Larkin and that is it. Also, there were still a fair number of times in this years playoffs where he avoids contact at all costs to make a good play to avoid a hit and toss the puck away stupidly, like he did in the game they got eliminated.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

I think Dcat can score 40 with Larkin.

Nick wanting Pettersson now? Last time he was brought up you downplayed his impact and said we shouldn't give up future assets. Now he's a line driver?
Sometimes you are captain contrarian.

 

[DTR]

 

[Oddbob]

Canucks fan here.

I was wondering how y’all would feel with a trade around:

Maata, Rasmussen, McIsaac, 17 OA + 43rd

For our 11th OA + 75th + 89th, Nils Hoglander

The idea is that you guys can pick 2 marquee forwards with your 9th and 11th (Benson, Leonard, Wood, Danielson, Barlow) or perhaps even Willander if Yzerman is as high on him as it’s been reported.

To move up 6 spots, you’d give up Rasmussen and Maata. I know it seems like a lot, however, the difference between the 11th OA and the 17th in this draft is significant. We’d be sacrificing getting a top tier forward at 11 for immediate help now, and a lower potential player at 17.

We trade our 2 3rd rounders for our 43rd back. And we swap 2 young players. McIsaac would most likely play on our defense next year, and Hoglander will provide offense and is a speedy, gritty, and skilled player.

Let me know who you’d add, subtract, etc.

First, McIsaac you can have for free. Not even sure he gets qualified by July 1st.

The rest is terribad for us. Maatta and Rasmussen are both more valuable to us than Hoglander. Than we give up a 1st and early 2nd to move up 6 spots for a similar level player while dropping to 3rd round and later for the other 2 picks.

McIsaac for Höglander? Ok.

43 for 75+89? Value is bad for the Wings. #89 isn't worth moving down an entire round.

17+Määttä+Rasmussen for 11? Terrible. Subtract Rasmussen and I consider it.

I still wouldn't do the last part. Maatta was/is exactly the kind of D we need(ed) and for only 6 spots it isn't worth losing him.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

And we aren't yet at the point where we should be rental shopping.

Everyone is available with enough offered.

Vancouver gave us a 1st and 2nd for Hronek and a 4th. They can be taken advantage of.

Again, we aren't getting a potential 40 goal scorer out of DeBrincat unless we significantly upgrade around him. Ottawa had a better offense than us and he only got himself 27 there. The one time Debrincat didn't get 20? Kubalik scored 30 as a rookie on the same team and he scored 20 with us in year 4.

Great is stretched mighty thin there.

"Can be taken advantage of" does not mean "Will trade their 1C for anything but a ridiculous amount".

And that would also be the point. You wouldn't acquire Debrincat and then be done.
Admittedly, great may have been a stretch. But adding Cat, they'd have two actual NHL top 6 lines... for pretty much the first time since 2013? 2014, maybe?

You'd have a gunner for each line (Kubalik, Debrincat), you'd have a feeder for each line (Perron, Raymond), and Larkin would actually not have to be the 100% sole target of any focus of the other team for once in his damn career. The Wings have a whole lot of guys who would be really good if they could have a sniper/finisher above them. If they could have a full line of top line guys and everyone else could be slotted where they ought to be. It's always been Detroit's problem since Dats and Z slowed down. They have a bunch of good to really good hockey players that they simply ask way too much of and Holland gave way too much responsibility to.

The Skinner contract was really bad because Botterill f***ed up their rebuild so badly that they had to start again. But now, he's gone mid 30s in goals the last two years when they've added talent and he's back to playing 17 mins a night.

If you can prove it out to me (beyond "Vancouver is dumb, we can swindle them") that a guy like Connor or Keller comes for anything remotely in the neighborhood of trade value of the Debrincat deal + a first... fine, let's do that. With Cat, you're getting a potentially top flight piece for what at the end of the day are mediocre pieces.

 

[Oddbob]

I think Dcat can score 40 with Larkin.

Nick wanting Pettersson now? Last time he was brought up you downplayed his impact and said we shouldn't give up future assets. Now he's a line driver?
Sometimes you are captain contrarian.

Sometimes here is used loosely to me. I feel the bolded everytime me and him engage in convo.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Offer both first rounders and Berggren + for Petterson.

 

[Gniwder]

WE NEED GOALS WE DONT HAVE GOAL SCORERS I DONT CARE IF THE KID IS 4'11 HE PRODUCES

Zadina is garbage if anyone wants him for free we should let him go .. Veleno can go too

Zadina has negative value because of his contract structure. He's not getting a QO anywhere. Veleno at least can be a cheap 4th liner or sit in a pressbox.

If I'm doing a trade with VAN, it's Maatta for Myers + ?

Wings need a RHD, Vancouver gets cap relief, and Hronek is useless without Maatta. the only reason why I'm not pushing this trade is because Maatta just signed an extension, so I wouldn't trade him unless he agreed to the trade.

I don't see VAN trading Pettersson, they'll use the cap space from Myer's contract expiration.

 

[Holden Caufield]

Wings just signed Maatta. He hasn’t even played a single game on his new contract.
Why is he popping up in trade proposals ?
I know the whacky part of off-season is about to start… but c’mon.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Canucks fan here.

I was wondering how y’all would feel with a trade around:

Maata, Rasmussen, McIsaac, 17 OA + 43rd

For our 11th OA + 75th + 89th, Nils Hoglander

The idea is that you guys can pick 2 marquee forwards with your 9th and 11th (Benson, Leonard, Wood, Danielson, Barlow) or perhaps even Willander if Yzerman is as high on him as it’s been reported.

To move up 6 spots, you’d give up Rasmussen and Maata. I know it seems like a lot, however, the difference between the 11th OA and the 17th in this draft is significant. We’d be sacrificing getting a top tier forward at 11 for immediate help now, and a lower potential player at 17.

We trade our 2 3rd rounders for our 43rd back. And we swap 2 young players. McIsaac would most likely play on our defense next year, and Hoglander will provide offense and is a speedy, gritty, and skilled player.

Let me know who you’d add, subtract, etc.

lol wut

To get 11th overall Detroit would just have to trade 17 and one of their 2nds. NOT add Rasmussen, Maatta AND McIsaac.

And to get Hoglander? Detroit could probably get away with trading a 3rd or 4th for the guy. Or Zadina straight up.

 

[ridilon]

We should go Ken Holland scorched picks and use all four 1st round and all 4 second round picks for the next two years and acquire Karlsson, Debrincat & Helleybuck. Throw in any prospects other than Edvinsson or Kasper to make it work. Extension & retention conditions apply. Let's go into next year with a Vezina starting goalie, a capable backup, two Norris caliber D-men (1 off and 1 def) and have at it. This would start a multi year run if we extend both Deb and Hell.

 

[saska sault]

We should go Ken Holland scorched picks and use all four 1st round and all 4 second round picks for the next two years and acquire Karlsson, Debrincat & Helleybuck. Throw in any prospects other than Edvinsson or Kasper to make it work. Extension & retention conditions apply. Let's go into next year with a Vezina starting goalie, a capable backup, two Norris caliber D-men (1 off and 1 def) and have at it. This would start a multi year run if we extend both Deb and Hell.

This would start a multi year run to mediocracy. I would actually welcome all 3 of those players but not at the cost of our future, we arent at that point yet. Cupboards need to be stocked before you move away that much of your future.

 

[norrisnick]

I think Dcat can score 40 with Larkin.

Nick wanting Pettersson now? Last time he was brought up you downplayed his impact and said we shouldn't give up future assets. Now he's a line driver?
Sometimes you are captain contrarian.

I'm still not giving up Kasper + Edvinsson + 1sts for Pettersson. So no, not contrarian. That and he did in fact drive a line this season bumping his career high from the 60s to triple digits. Good job Elias!

 

[JediOrderPizza]

I'm still not giving up Kasper + Edvinsson + 1sts for Pettersson. So no, not contrarian. That and he did in fact drive a line this season bumping his career high from the 60s to triple digits. Good job Elias!

Oh yeah, I mean I called myself stupid when I posted that proposal. But you were wrong about Pettersson, maybe you are wrong about Debrincat?

 

[norrisnick]

This could easily happen with Nylander as well. He has had the insulation of Matthews, Marner and Tavares his whole career. In Detroit it would be Larkin and that is it. Also, there were still a fair number of times in this years playoffs where he avoids contact at all costs to make a good play to avoid a hit and toss the puck away stupidly, like he did in the game they got eliminated.

Tavares wasn't insulation for Nylander. He was the boat anchor that Will was dragging around. And he's just another name tossed into the ether. The point is more not to fixate in the one guy that's obviously on the outs. Reeks of desperation.

Fun fact time! DeBrincat's one foray into the playoffs he was outscored on his own team by Kubalik and Maatta.

Oh yeah, I mean I called myself stupid when I posted that proposal. But you were wrong about Pettersson, maybe you are wrong about Debrincat?

Maybe? But at least Elias is a decently sized center. Makes the whole line driving thing more plausible.