If Steve truly believes in Fantilli he has the capital to get him. How far does he want to strip the team down for the next MacKinnon? I'd do a Raymond, #9, both 2024 1st rounders, and AlJo to get it done.
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I don't know if there is just a general feeling of the need to dream, but for pragmatic purposes there is no pathway for us to get a top 3 pick.
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I’ll save you guys a lot of time/effort and tell you right now the draft slot that can get you Fanitlli or Carlsson is not going to get traded away. I’ll bet any amount of $$ on that.
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Gniwder
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Your offer is too low, I'm sure you could offer them all 4 first round picks for 2023/2024 and they would still decline.
People here don't have the appetite to trade for Logan Cooley, Fantilli will come at an even higher price.
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A) this team will not be a lottery team
B) Stevie will come out with almost cappin out
I'd give up whatever it takes for both...but teams that have them or a chance for them they won't trade them.
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Why exactly would we pay a Raymond less if Anaheim takes Carlsson instead of Fantilli.
Make it make sense. I know everyone loves the flashy toy, but think.
I'd say this is quite a talented team.. Stevie is close to nailing it!
Andrew Copp - Dylan Larkin - David Perron
Dominik Kubalík - Robby Fabbri - Lucas Raymond
Jonatan Berggren - Marco Kasper - Filip Zadina
Michael Rasmussen - Joe Veleno - Elmer Söderblom
Carter Mazur - Amadeus Lombardi - Cross Hanas
Ben Chiarot - Erik Karlsson (for the firstrounder and Wallinder, 1.5 retained)
Olli Määttä - Moritz Seider
Jake Walman - Gustav Lindström
Simon Edvinsson
Ville Husso
Sebastian Cossa
Andrew Copp - Dylan Larkin - David Perron
Dominik Kubalík - Robby Fabbri - Lucas Raymond
Jonatan Berggren - Marco Kasper - Filip Zadina
Michael Rasmussen - Joe Veleno - Elmer Söderblom
Carter Mazur - Amadeus Lombardi - Cross Hanas
Ben Chiarot - Erik Karlsson (for the firstrounder and Wallinder, 1.5 retained)
Olli Määttä - Moritz Seider
Jake Walman - Gustav Lindström
Simon Edvinsson
Ville Husso
Sebastian Cossa
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jkutswings
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Larkin is the only player there worthy of playing on the first line. I'll pass.
The kids will grow into things on defense, maybe with one second pair veteran added. But Detroit desperately needs a first line winger, and EK impersonating a turnstyle isn't what I mean.
I do t think so unfortunately
The team needs some game breaking talent upfront in a big way.
I hope we use 3 of the 4 first rounders we have this year and next on forwards and use the other in a deal to acquire a top line winger.
We're still a few years away
Gniwder
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Curious, what makes you think the team will make the playoffs next season? What's the lineup?
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I don't think I'd do it or that Stevie is likely to do it but I think you could make some major transformations on this team if you wanted to.
#2 for #9 & Edvidsson
- You only do this if you think WW has top 2 potential but it gives you your future number 1 center.
Boston 1st + 41+ Aljo for Pesce
Gives you your 2nd pairing RD for the next 5ish years
#17 + Mazur + 42 & Fabbri for Debrincat
Gives you a big time goal scorerer.
Kubalik-Larkin- Debrincat
Ray-Fantilli-Ras
Berggy-Copp-Soderblom
Perron-Veleno- Kasper
Walman- Seider
Matta- Pesce
Chiarot- UFA
Thats 4 solid scoring lines, two solid pairs (and the Chiarot mess).
It leaves you basically with only Cossa, Wallinder, and Lombardi as viable prospects though as everyone else has major questions and even those 3 have some questions.
#2 for #9 & Edvidsson
- You only do this if you think WW has top 2 potential but it gives you your future number 1 center.
Boston 1st + 41+ Aljo for Pesce
Gives you your 2nd pairing RD for the next 5ish years
#17 + Mazur + 42 & Fabbri for Debrincat
Gives you a big time goal scorerer.
Kubalik-Larkin- Debrincat
Ray-Fantilli-Ras
Berggy-Copp-Soderblom
Perron-Veleno- Kasper
Walman- Seider
Matta- Pesce
Chiarot- UFA
Thats 4 solid scoring lines, two solid pairs (and the Chiarot mess).
It leaves you basically with only Cossa, Wallinder, and Lombardi as viable prospects though as everyone else has major questions and even those 3 have some questions.
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- Anaheim doesn't do that.
- Massive overpay for a 1 year rental
- Again an overpay and we're giving up a player who could easily be better than DeBrincat in a few years
Anaheim does not accept
Would consider #2
Would not do #3. If we get Debrincat it should be #17, Fabbri(salary move) and either Zadina or a 2nd whichever Ottawa feels has more value and nothing more.
I know that they probably will not be looking to move on, but if the negotiations get a bit tumultuous with Tampa, I would like the Wings to inquire on Tanner Jeannot. The physical presence that the team could use and has a year that indicated there should be more offense than he showed last year.
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jkutswings
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No arguments with any of this.
Huh? If you mean Mazur, that's an astronomical stretch. The kid is off to a great start, but saying he even has a chance to score 30-40 goals a year in the NHL is premature, let alone implying he could do even better.
Pavels Dog
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He can be a better player while scoring less goals. Defensively and with his grit he's almost sure to bring a lot more to the table besides goals. If DeBrincat scores 18 or 27 goals (as he has 2 of the last 4 years) he's simply not that valuable of a player.
Every DeBrincat trade discussion really comes down to whether or not you view him as a ~40 goal or a ~25 goal scorer. Personally I can't see him coming close to 40 playing in Detroit.
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Would anyone be willing to trade for Trevor Zegras? If Anaheim is set on keeping their pick maybe they’d move Zegras given that he’s not a Verbeek pick and he’s coming up on a large payday.
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Not shopping him, of course not, doesn’t mean they wouldn’t listen. They have a logjam of centers and Zegras is up for a payday so….more
plausible than trading their pick
He's got 6 years in the league and his 82 game pace for goals are 28, 41, 21, 50, 41, 27. There's enough pointing toward a 30+ goal norm than 25 and certainly not under 20. It's unrealistic to try to paint him as a 20 goal guy. He might not be a 40+ guy, but he's been near 30 goal pace wise all but one season.
A true one touch goal scoring threat. Basically he's a lot of what Vrana was without any of the baggage. Something that we just don't have at all right now. And don't have in the system at any level.
There are pieces that I would be weary of giving away, but f***, if the sticking point is giving up Berggren, I will move him to Ottawa myself. Sorry if that offends you and others. I'm moving a guy with a very small chance of being a pass-first first line winger for a guy who has a reasonable track record of being a 30+ goal scoring first line winger.
It's time to set aside loyalty to good prospects that aren't going to materially impact the outlook of our future.
There's as good of a chance as Anaheim listening on Zegras as you are willing to listen on Seider. Meaning you aren't, and they aren't. You should drop it here.
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I agree with the sentiment, but the proposal was to move Mazur, not Berggren.
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