Trade Ideas

[norrisnick]

Yeah, Press X to doubt. Not that Fantilli isn't fantastic... but the Wings don't have anything to realistically move up and have it be a good move for them. To get a team to give up Fantilli, you're overpaying like a mother.

Exactly. If X is a trade you'd make all day every day, it most definitely isn't a trade the other side is going to make. Any trade that would actually interest Anaheim or Columbus is a trade we should be sprinting away from.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

To Ducks: Raymond, #9 and #17
To Detroit: #2

Adam Fantilli

If Ducks go another way:

To BJs: #9 & #17
To Detroit: #3 pick

Adam Fantilli

If we're trading into the top 3 I'm taking Carlsson and keeping Raymond so we can roll the Berggren - Carlsson - Raymond line.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

I forget, did we talk ourselves out of Erik Karlsson? He gets to pick where he goes with his NMC, owed 11.25M for the next 4 years (ends when he's 37), and SJ and him are committed to finding a situation to get him out of there. Coming off of a 101pt season (probably Norris), and he's a RHD. This isn't enticing to us? Having him as a RHD to Ed as our 2nd Pair? And our top QB?

"too expensive" - is he though? Pretty sure we're one of the few teams that can eat his salary cleanly, and by the time we really need the money, he's off the books anyway

"he wants a contender" - his stipulation is he wants to contend and not be part of a lengthy rebuild. With him added to our D core, another year of development and some upfront scoring, we're probably right in there around the 8th seed with a lot of upside in 24, 25, 26 seasons

Using him as a general piece and leader on the team to bridge through the development and have him drop off probably around the time that Wallinder is year 2-3, Ed is in year 2-3 and both of them are looking for extensions.

I'm kind of shocked that this hasn't been debated more?

 

[Ricelund]

I don't like the idea of taking on that Karlsson contract.

 

[norrisnick]

I forget, did we talk ourselves out of Erik Karlsson? He gets to pick where he goes with his NMC, owed 11.25M for the next 4 years (ends when he's 37), and SJ and him are committed to finding a situation to get him out of there. Coming off of a 101pt season (probably Norris), and he's a RHD. This isn't enticing to us? Having him as a RHD to Ed as our 2nd Pair? And our top QB?

"too expensive" - is he though? Pretty sure we're one of the few teams that can eat his salary cleanly, and by the time we really need the money, he's off the books anyway

"he wants a contender" - his stipulation is he wants to contend and not be part of a lengthy rebuild. With him added to our D core, another year of development and some upfront scoring, we're probably right in there around the 8th seed with a lot of upside in 24, 25, 26 seasons

Using him as a general piece and leader on the team to bridge through the development and have him drop off probably around the time that Wallinder is year 2-3, Ed is in year 2-3 and both of them are looking for extensions.

I'm kind of shocked that this hasn't been debated more?

This has been beaten to death. A few people like him because yay offense. Several don't because of cost and a complete disinterest in playing any semblance of defense. That and if you rewind just one year it would have been unanimously against. It's amazing how one season of all gas no brakes erases his prior SJ tenure.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

This has been beaten to death. A few people like him because yay offense. Several don't because of cost and a complete disinterest in playing any semblance of defense. That and if you rewind just one year it would have been unanimously against. It's amazing how one season of all gas no brakes erases his prior SJ tenure.

I mean, I'm ancient so I can remember the long ago times of 2010's when he was an absolute beast for the Sens, Captain, leader, perennial Norris candidate until his teammates wife went full psycho and OTT handled the situation about as poorly as possible.

I get that he's looked not the same guy in SJ, but that wasn't exactly an ideal situation and the argument makes sense of "How can I accept 11.25M AAV for a guy whose at 0.65ppg pace and looks disinterested?". 5M? 6M? Sure, 11 is a lot. You had to question if he still had it or not. 101pts campaign kind of shows that he does?

I mean, our offense is not great, and adding a pace pushing badass like EK who can glide through transition and kick off our O, etc. feels like a good thing? I'm not even entirely sure if he would be "expensive" in terms of assets to actually trade for at this point? Especially without retention. It just strikes me as weird that we have an obvious RHD gap, an offense gap, oodles of cap space, oodles of picks, and probably more prospects and young players that we have appropriate roles for (i.e. lots of bottom six forwards under 25 years olds), that this doesn't seem like a logical pick up?

 

[SirloinUB]

Ras, Zadina, Veleno for DeBrincat lol

I think trading Rasmussen would be a mistake.

If Carolina trades Pesce, we should be all over that.

 

[norrisnick]

I mean, I'm ancient so I can remember the long ago times of 2010's when he was an absolute beast for the Sens, Captain, leader, perennial Norris candidate until his teammates wife went full psycho and OTT handled the situation about as poorly as possible.

I get that he's looked not the same guy in SJ, but that wasn't exactly an ideal situation and the argument makes sense of "How can I accept 11.25M AAV for a guy whose at 0.65ppg pace and looks disinterested?". 5M? 6M? Sure, 11 is a lot. You had to question if he still had it or not. 101pts campaign kind of shows that he does?

I mean, our offense is not great, and adding a pace pushing badass like EK who can glide through transition and kick off our O, etc. feels like a good thing? I'm not even entirely sure if he would be "expensive" in terms of assets to actually trade for at this point? Especially without retention. It just strikes me as weird that we have an obvious RHD gap, an offense gap, oodles of cap space, oodles of picks, and probably more prospects and young players that we have appropriate roles for (i.e. lots of bottom six forwards under 25 years olds), that this doesn't seem like a logical pick up?

We have a hole for a steady RH partner for Ed. Babysitting Karlsson is not it.

That and $11M is going to cause some serious problems retaining the group of players that need new deals before next summer. Mo, Ray, Ras, Bergie, Kubalik, Perron or his replacement all need new deals. We need a backup goalie and a top line winger.

Karlsson creates way more problems than he solves. Need proof? Look at San Jose looking to be rid of him. There is no good reason that team should have been as bad as it was with the players they have/had.

 

[ricky0034]

This has been beaten to death. A few people like him because yay offense. Several don't because of cost and a complete disinterest in playing any semblance of defense. That and if you rewind just one year it would have been unanimously against. It's amazing how one season of all gas no brakes erases his prior SJ tenure.

wait you mean people are less concerned about his injuries after he managed to stay healthy for a full year? what a bunch of weirdos

 

[better Red than Dead]

I have a strong feeling the Wings make a huge trade and moves this summer starting at the draft. I think the summer is pivotal and there needs to be a bit more urgency unlike past summers

 

[norrisnick]

wait you mean people are less concerned about his injuries after he managed to stay healthy for a full year? what a bunch of weirdos

Totally agreed. A five year stretch of missing 18 games a season is nothing compared to that good ol' recency bias...

 

[Retire91]

Is retaining salary still a thing. Maybe if they retained like 5-6 million of that contract per year. We could trade them like a 4th round pick and absorb some of that contract for them. I don't think Karlson waves his NMC to come here anyway though. That would be a long 4 years if he phones it in. Pass for me.

I am also still not convinced Chris will spend like Mike. He seems like a penny pincher.

 

[Oddbob]

I would definitely argue that fantilli would be better than raymond for what they bring to the table. Fantilli will most likely have a better career barring injuries

Yeah, but you don't know that and he is certainly not held in high enough regard to already be giving up 3 1sts round picks for him. For example, Auston Matthews had 10 pts in the WC in his draft year, while Fantilli had 3 in his. To me that gives at least a small sample of that he may not be Matthews level good or close to it.

 

[Oddbob]

Pretty good, versus a player who may rival Bedard. Small, non checking winger versus #1 6'2" center.

I make this trade all day every day.

Detroit Red Wings: Buzz around a trade up to target Adam Fantilli

The Detroit Red Wings have been in the news as they may be looking to move up and grab University of Michigan forward, Adam Fantilli, in the NHL Draft.

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So you trade a hopefully at worst 55-60 pt winger for a guy who has never played, and add 2 more high pieces on top of it. Then Fantilli comes in and is only a 25-40 pt center let's say. Is that a good trade? No one has mentioned Fantilli as anywhere close to Bedard. Lots of high ranked guys are much less than hoped for and Raymond is still super young, he may get better, while Fantilli could easily bust. Size is irrelevant to any topic if a player is not good.

 

[KasperTheGrittyGhost]

Veleno/Zadina + 1st round 17th overall ?

I would not cry after that, if he'll sign 1M less than Larkin.

Then trade for Keller after this.
He would be the "kane" for DeBrincat.

Keller-Kasper-Cat would be so fun

 

[Oddbob]

Word out of NJD is Sharangovich is available. Might be something to poke around for.

I have been thinking more about Karlsson. What if we were able to get him for cheap (because he doesn't want to play in SJS anymore so their leverage is pretty low) and we were able to get them to do 50% retention. Then at the trade deadline, we trade him to whoever at another 50% retention (is that possible?) and a playoff contender (barring us being one at that time) would be getting karlsson for 25% of his current AAV.

That seems like we would be able to get a solid return at the trade deadline for him at that low of a cap hit.

Karlsson has 4 years left, meaning any retaining is 4 years long, and besides SJS cause they want him gone I don't see any second team wanting to retain that long. Even 50% of his already retained salary would be a lot to take on. Also, how does Karlsson fit with anything Detroit is doing? We don't need more vet defenders, and if they retain the Sharks are said to want a lot, which would totally not be worth it. SJS have said they aren't willing to do 50% retention on him, they only want to do like 25-35% or so and at that retention they want 1st round picks+ back somehow. To me even at 50% retention, the Sharks have to pay to remove that as well as that is still high 5 mil for a 33 year old guy who's career could end any day or year now.

 

[Oddbob]

I mean, I'm ancient so I can remember the long ago times of 2010's when he was an absolute beast for the Sens, Captain, leader, perennial Norris candidate until his teammates wife went full psycho and OTT handled the situation about as poorly as possible.

I get that he's looked not the same guy in SJ, but that wasn't exactly an ideal situation and the argument makes sense of "How can I accept 11.25M AAV for a guy whose at 0.65ppg pace and looks disinterested?". 5M? 6M? Sure, 11 is a lot. You had to question if he still had it or not. 101pts campaign kind of shows that he does?

I mean, our offense is not great, and adding a pace pushing badass like EK who can glide through transition and kick off our O, etc. feels like a good thing? I'm not even entirely sure if he would be "expensive" in terms of assets to actually trade for at this point? Especially without retention. It just strikes me as weird that we have an obvious RHD gap, an offense gap, oodles of cap space, oodles of picks, and probably more prospects and young players that we have appropriate roles for (i.e. lots of bottom six forwards under 25 years olds), that this doesn't seem like a logical pick up?

You remember all that, but not that he had 2 major knee surgeries? His is 33 years old with a banged up body. Those types of players don't age well and his offence comes at great defensive cost so it isn't nearly as enticing. He also doesn't make sense for a rebuilding team. He had 101 pts this year, but he also only had seasons of 20 and 30 something right before it and was injured as well.

 

[HisNoodliness]

To Ducks: Raymond, #9 and #17
To Detroit: #2

Adam Fantilli

If Ducks go another way:

To BJs: #9 & #17
To Detroit: #3 pick

Adam Fantilli

I'm totally in for the second trade regardless and absolutely opposed to the first.

 

[better Red than Dead]

I'm totally in for the second trade regardless and absolutely opposed to the first.

If you switched the first one to Berggren I would be in favor

 

[Snuggs]

I'll trade... my right air Jordan, both socks, a used pair of underwear for your authentic cashmere sweater.

I'll trade... a peice of lint, bottle cap, yo-yo string, chew'd gum, and it's wrapper for your Hersey's chocolate bar.

 

[heyfolks]

Yeah, Press X to doubt. Not that Fantilli isn't fantastic... but the Wings don't have anything to realistically move up and have it be a good move for them. To get a team to give up Fantilli, you're overpaying like a mother.

Raymond, #9 and #17 is, to me realistic. If it isn't, I add Wallinder. Raymond was the #4 pick and no one has him slotted down in a redraft. In fact many higher and a few #1. Not as strong a draft (at least as seen today) but he is a plug and play top line or 2nd line winger. a top 10 and 17..... that is, to me, very realistic. It all depends on the needs and wants of the Ducks.


Down the middle, Larkin, Fantilli, Kasper, Copp. (flip Larkin and Fantilli after year 1 or 2).


D is anchored by Mo, Chiarot, Edvisson, Matta, Walmen


Wingers are weak, losing Raymond is tough, but Mazur and Hanas are moving through the system. Short term.... Tarasanko and Drouin.

Plenty of back up goalies on the market.

Instant playoff team.

 

[heyfolks]

So you trade a hopefully at worst 55-60 pt winger for a guy who has never played, and add 2 more high pieces on top of it. Then Fantilli comes in and is only a 25-40 pt center let's say. Is that a good trade? No one has mentioned Fantilli as anywhere close to Bedard. Lots of high ranked guys are much less than hoped for and Raymond is still super young, he may get better, while Fantilli could easily bust. Size is irrelevant to any topic if a player is not good.

Your first question is rhetorical.

Your premise is easily countered by sating Fantilli comes in and breaks all first year scoring records for centerman.


Raymond - No where near the upside of Fantilli.


Heck, I add Wallinder to get the #2 pick.

2023 NHL Draft mailbag: Could Fantilli end up better than Bedard?​

Pronman's 2023 NHL Draft mailbag: Could Fantilli end up better than Bedard?

Corey Pronman opens up the floor to questions from readers to hear what's on your mind with the 2023 NHL Draft fast approaching.

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THIS Is Why Adam Fantilli Could Be BETTER Than Connor Bedard.. (Top 2023 NHL Draft Prospects Rumors)

Adam Fantilli Emerging as Much More than a Consolation Prize - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

Make no mistake: the team that takes Adam Fantilli in the 2023 NHL Draft will not be upset about missing out on Connor Bedard.

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“Fantilli is the only player in the 2023 draft with any hope of challenging Connor Bedard for first overall,” wrote The Hockey News draft and prospect writer Tony Ferrari. “His combination of size, speed, power, and skill hasn’t been seen since Auston Matthews’ draft year. Fantilli’s statistical output resembles Jack Eichel’s college production. In any other year, Fantilli very well could be the runaway number one but instead, he’ll legitimately challenge the players we’ve all deemed ‘generational’.”

Can Adam Fantilli make a legit case to go No. 1 over Bedard in the 2023 NHL draft?

Adam Fantilli looks poised to put up one of the best NCAA freshman seasons ever after his outrageously hot start with the University of Michigan.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Oddbob]

Your first question is rhetorical.

Your premise is easily countered by sating Fantilli comes in and breaks all first year scoring records for centerman.


Raymond - No where near the upside of Fantilli.


Heck, I add Wallinder to get the #2 pick.

2023 NHL Draft mailbag: Could Fantilli end up better than Bedard?​

Pronman's 2023 NHL Draft mailbag: Could Fantilli end up better than Bedard?

Corey Pronman opens up the floor to questions from readers to hear what's on your mind with the 2023 NHL Draft fast approaching.

theathletic.com

THIS Is Why Adam Fantilli Could Be BETTER Than Connor Bedard.. (Top 2023 NHL Draft Prospects Rumors)

Adam Fantilli Emerging as Much More than a Consolation Prize - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

Make no mistake: the team that takes Adam Fantilli in the 2023 NHL Draft will not be upset about missing out on Connor Bedard.

thehockeywriters.com

“Fantilli is the only player in the 2023 draft with any hope of challenging Connor Bedard for first overall,” wrote The Hockey News draft and prospect writer Tony Ferrari. “His combination of size, speed, power, and skill hasn’t been seen since Auston Matthews’ draft year. Fantilli’s statistical output resembles Jack Eichel’s college production. In any other year, Fantilli very well could be the runaway number one but instead, he’ll legitimately challenge the players we’ve all deemed ‘generational’.”

Can Adam Fantilli make a legit case to go No. 1 over Bedard in the 2023 NHL draft?

Adam Fantilli looks poised to put up one of the best NCAA freshman seasons ever after his outrageously hot start with the University of Michigan.

www.yahoo.com

Pronman doesn't know much, and the rest I have never heard of. One of them is just something from a Ducks fan/person on Reddit.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Raymond, #9 and #17 is, to me realistic. If it isn't, I add Wallinder. Raymond was the #4 pick and no one has him slotted down in a redraft. In fact many higher and a few #1. Not as strong a draft (at least as seen today) but he is a plug and play top line or 2nd line winger. a top 10 and 17..... that is, to me, very realistic. It all depends on the needs and wants of the Ducks.


Down the middle, Larkin, Fantilli, Kasper, Copp. (flip Larkin and Fantilli after year 1 or 2).


D is anchored by Mo, Chiarot, Edvisson, Matta, Walmen


Wingers are weak, losing Raymond is tough, but Mazur and Hanas are moving through the system. Short term.... Tarasanko and Drouin.

Plenty of back up goalies on the market.

Instant playoff team.

It’s not realistic. Every reason you want Fantilli is why Anaheim does.

Think about it this way… would you accept this trade going the other way?

 

[Gniwder]

That and $11M is going to cause some serious problems retaining the group of players that need new deals before next summer. Mo, Ray, Ras, Bergie, Kubalik, Perron or his replacement all need new deals. We need a backup goalie and a top line winger.

Dude, this is a lottery team, if Stevie comes out anywhere close to capping out with this roster, the team needs a new GM.

This team needs a 2C and first line winger more than it needs Karlsson. That's why it won't happen.