Trade Deadline Thread (March 3)
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toddkaz
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Push Jost to the depth spot? Thats crazy. Jost is the glue between Mitts and Olofsson.
Defenseman to push Bryson out of the lineup please.
I’m not demanding it, but I wouldn’t complain. I agree it would be tough pushing him out of the lineup, but there are better players and he’d be a perfect depth forward.
As good as jost has been, he doesn’t really produce. 12 points in 31 games with us, 1 point in his last 5 games.
old kummelweck
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Not really interested in disruptive rentals or tweaks to the roster, though if you could push Clague or Bryson to 7th/8th, I wouldn't hate it. Status quo is OK with me, TBH.
Other than that, you have to think long term with this roster, and if there is a home run available like Meier, then disruption may be necessary for long-term aspriations. That may mean moving out some current roster pieces.
Other than that, you have to think long term with this roster, and if there is a home run available like Meier, then disruption may be necessary for long-term aspriations. That may mean moving out some current roster pieces.
toddkaz
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The issue I see is Peterka and Quinn not Jost but there is not much we can do there.
Getting a top 4 like Benning from San Jose would be a dream.
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It's hard to say, but he's playing really good, consistent hockey right now. He'll be 24 in June, so maybe not much upside to him left, but, frankly he's a perfect 4-6th Dman. I don't know why you would mess with that Power/Joker pairing, it's been solid.
Do you throw Cychrun in the top 4? Well, yes, then you push Joker to third pairing and things look quite nice (though not sure how you find your top 3 guys PP time).
He's a bottom 6 player. He shouldn't be producing like a top 6. 12 points in 31 games is fine for a 3rd line center
All the players have their strengths and flaws, but the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. I can't identify any individual whose dogging it, or seems unhappy with their role, or who is so lacking in talent that their teammates feel that he is holding the team back.
Better depth is a need, but carrying 3G on the team makes it hard to add someone without sending out a piece.
When mostly healthy, the team is 26-11-4. That's on pace for 110+ points. Do you really want to do much messing around with that in-season? Let 'em play and see where improvements can be made in the off-season.
Better depth is a need, but carrying 3G on the team makes it hard to add someone without sending out a piece.
When mostly healthy, the team is 26-11-4. That's on pace for 110+ points. Do you really want to do much messing around with that in-season? Let 'em play and see where improvements can be made in the off-season.
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Adams needs to upgrade defense eventually. Sure we can say they're "fine" but could for sure use an upgrade.. I would like to add a Murphy/Benning/Fabbro type of dman but since Marek said teams aren't going to pay the price AZ is asking for Chychrun, I am wondering at what cost can Adams get him at?
Aladyyn
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Some forwards with comparable production to Jost with the Sabres:
Mika Zibanejad
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Jonathan Huberdeau
Jack Roslovic
Top 4 lhd to put on the bottom pair and honestly take on some low term contracts like 1-4 years dumps for picks not saying futures is a need or want but its something we should look into just to get more assets for future moves
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Do you see Jost as a long term center on this team? Or even a center going into next season. I really like him, but I don’t think I do
But curious, how does Jost have comparable production to PPG players? Is this something about production per time and pretending jost production would just increase in a linear fashion with increased time?
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I can’t believe a person exists who can watch Jost save Mittelstadt and Olofsson from the void and actively work to remove him from the lineup.
im stunned.
its stunning.
im stunned.
its stunning.
Zman5778
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I wouldn't hate a guy that can step in and play for Bryson.............but might we already have that in Clague???
Other than that......I think we just stand pat and don't do a darned thing. Let this play out.
Other than that......I think we just stand pat and don't do a darned thing. Let this play out.
Still looking for an improvement on the blueline to better slot what they have and balance their minutes a bit more. Being non-rental, longer term and mid-pairing capable would be best. (And that may also be hard
That they've gotten better play out of Bryson and Clague has plugged in well to fill-in with both Power and Dahlin is cool but that still makes me nervous and would be the place I would like to see them address.
Forwards... things are working. It's hard to look at modest moves and see something that has me thinking they should break up a particular line since three of them are churning along well and the other is having some spotty moments of glory. Swapping Asplund out when he's not been playing much at all is more of a deck chair shuffle. I would rather they hold off there until summer.
That they've gotten better play out of Bryson and Clague has plugged in well to fill-in with both Power and Dahlin is cool but that still makes me nervous and would be the place I would like to see them address.
Forwards... things are working. It's hard to look at modest moves and see something that has me thinking they should break up a particular line since three of them are churning along well and the other is having some spotty moments of glory. Swapping Asplund out when he's not been playing much at all is more of a deck chair shuffle. I would rather they hold off there until summer.
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not enough on the pulse for minor upgrades available (not sure its worth it unless they find someone who doesn't offset the chemistry.)
I would do Meier, he brings an element that is lacking on this roster, more sandpaper/2way/plus scoring
not sure about the implementation tough and if its a year or 2 too early
just if the price is not too steep
I would do Meier, he brings an element that is lacking on this roster, more sandpaper/2way/plus scoring
not sure about the implementation tough and if its a year or 2 too early
just if the price is not too steep
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Rentals I don't think make much sense because even if there's something out there that would help us, I'd rather have our current guys get the opportunity and experience of trying to fill that role in games that matter. And I'd rather keep the assets. Next year will probably be a different story.
For me, the only real long term trade I'd be looking for is another top 4d, preferably a righty, but either way works. I dont look at it like replacing one guy over another necessarily. If you bring in a good player it just creates better options. Could be pushing Sammy down to get more point production and possession from that top pair, while simultaneously upgrading Bryson with someone who is better defensively and more physical (Sammy). Maybe it's just pushing Joki out of the top 4, either way it sets us up well for the present and future.
This doesn't need to happen this season though. I just think they're going to have to do it eventually, so you might as well be looking and ready to punch at all times.
For me, the only real long term trade I'd be looking for is another top 4d, preferably a righty, but either way works. I dont look at it like replacing one guy over another necessarily. If you bring in a good player it just creates better options. Could be pushing Sammy down to get more point production and possession from that top pair, while simultaneously upgrading Bryson with someone who is better defensively and more physical (Sammy). Maybe it's just pushing Joki out of the top 4, either way it sets us up well for the present and future.
This doesn't need to happen this season though. I just think they're going to have to do it eventually, so you might as well be looking and ready to punch at all times.
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Bryson then Jost but what I'm really looking for is more Joker's to rotate around the bottom 3. And with the kids line being such an unreliable point producer, Jost needs to be someone better. Love Jost next year on the 4th line, this year hes the legs that line needs but not the hands. However, Jost is not an active detriment to anyone, he makes Mitts and VO a little more consistent on a shift by shift basis. Bryson is purposeless, he adds nothing beyond being a body while other guys are resting.
Hot take Peterka or Quinn. This is the Timo Meier argument. I'd only consider it for an NHL player with equivalent reasonable expectations (ie quinn/peterka in a Meier deal). While far from old the top line is older than everyone else and it wouldn't be a bad thing to open the window a season early. Power is here and ready, Cozens may still be a year or 2 from his potential but is still at 2nd line center level already. The roster outside of 5/6/7 D is kinda ready to compete. If any of the goalies hit a stretch of consistent play, they'll be competitive with any top tier team. Would rather it be Peterka but if I'm "insert other GM" I'd want the better player over other considerations.
Roll out of the trade deadline with:
Skinner-Thomspon-Tuck
Quinn-Cozens-Meier
Mitts-ROR-VO
with Jost able to sub in throughout the lineup or to rotate the fourth line.
Dahlin-sammy
power-bewsh
McCabe-Joker
Clague
Theoretically you aren't ever afraid of getting stuck on the ice with anyone. In fact the Thompson line might be the one most in need of sheltering and every pairing can respectfully be on the ice with any forward line without the fear of the apocalypse. That roster is a hot goalie away from the ECF.
If it could be done with just this years draft and 1 under 21 player I'd be interested. Not selling out the prospect pool but I'd be willing to cash 1 draft given the contract status and age of the NHL roster. I think there's an opportunity to open the window 2 playoff runs early without shortening the windows length or significantly hampering the organizations ability to keep the window open. 3 1st last year and 4 in the top 60 I think this year. Plenty of high value draft currency that could be used for immediate results.
Just to add there's a world where we finish 7th and get crossed into the Metro's bracket. I like our odds of making a run better playing the canes, rags, and devils than if we had to go through the bruins and lightning.
Hot take Peterka or Quinn. This is the Timo Meier argument. I'd only consider it for an NHL player with equivalent reasonable expectations (ie quinn/peterka in a Meier deal). While far from old the top line is older than everyone else and it wouldn't be a bad thing to open the window a season early. Power is here and ready, Cozens may still be a year or 2 from his potential but is still at 2nd line center level already. The roster outside of 5/6/7 D is kinda ready to compete. If any of the goalies hit a stretch of consistent play, they'll be competitive with any top tier team. Would rather it be Peterka but if I'm "insert other GM" I'd want the better player over other considerations.
Roll out of the trade deadline with:
Skinner-Thomspon-Tuck
Quinn-Cozens-Meier
Mitts-ROR-VO
with Jost able to sub in throughout the lineup or to rotate the fourth line.
Dahlin-sammy
power-bewsh
McCabe-Joker
Clague
Theoretically you aren't ever afraid of getting stuck on the ice with anyone. In fact the Thompson line might be the one most in need of sheltering and every pairing can respectfully be on the ice with any forward line without the fear of the apocalypse. That roster is a hot goalie away from the ECF.
If it could be done with just this years draft and 1 under 21 player I'd be interested. Not selling out the prospect pool but I'd be willing to cash 1 draft given the contract status and age of the NHL roster. I think there's an opportunity to open the window 2 playoff runs early without shortening the windows length or significantly hampering the organizations ability to keep the window open. 3 1st last year and 4 in the top 60 I think this year. Plenty of high value draft currency that could be used for immediate results.
Just to add there's a world where we finish 7th and get crossed into the Metro's bracket. I like our odds of making a run better playing the canes, rags, and devils than if we had to go through the bruins and lightning.
