GDT: Trade Deadline week around the league

[Navin R Slavin]

I would really hate it if we used our cap space just to facilitate a bunch of other trades or bought picks from other teams (because its highly unlikely we would be buying 1st rounders).

Our untradeable asset this TDL was a guy we picked up at 69th overall (nice).

A brief reminder of the potential value of picks outside the first round:
Aho 35
Pesce 66
Nikishin 69
Slavin 120

Our theory of roster construction is based around identifying undervalued, potentially cost-controlled talent. If we continue to be good at that, then it makes sense to acquire as many 2nd and even 3rd round picks as we can, assuming we've already exhausted better value options.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Ok that's fine.

We need one big move that improves the current roster, and ideally shores up the Top 6 with another goal scorer that allows Jarvis to play on the 4th line on the stretch run/playoffs.

After that, if there's room for a reclamation project, sure why not.

We need 2 moves ideally. An impact forward that replaces what we lost in Pacioretty and a depth defenseman, so that when there's an injury, we don't have to insert Coghlan into the line-up.

We have no legitimate depth. Yeah, I get that we can call up a guy like Drury or Rees for 4th line, but that just moves a non-ideal asset into the top 6 if there's an injury there.

I'll be surprised if Carolina doesn't make 2 moves for those reasons. They felt they needed Pacioretty before the season started and that doesn't change.

 

[UNCCHcane]

Our untradeable asset this TDL was a guy we picked up at 69th overall (nice).

A brief reminder of the potential value of picks outside the first round:
Aho 35
Pesce 66
Nikishin 69
Slavin 120

Our theory of roster construction is based around identifying undervalued, potentially cost-controlled talent. If we continue to be good at that, then it makes sense to acquire as many 2nd and even 3rd round picks as we can, assuming we've already exhausted better value options.

This is a good point and also interesting to compare to what Julien Brisbois said in response to people calling him crazy for trading a draft's worth of picks for Tanner Jeannot.

 

[Daeavorn]

This is a good point and also interesting to compare to what Julien Brisbois said in response to people calling him crazy for trading a draft's worth of picks for Tanner Jeannot.

Its easy to do this when you have Hedman Stamkos and Point to lean on.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Its easy to do this when you have Hedman Stamkos and Point to lean on.

And Kucherov.

But he's not wrong. They have only a couple more years of those guys being in their prime, so go all in and mortgage the future. Worry about rebuilding down the road.

 

[Daeavorn]

And Kucherov

Dang yeah forgot him too LOL

 

[The Faulker 27]

Thanks Chris for buying the used car well above market. That definitely helps other buyers out.

 

[cptjeff]

Since we're moving here, my response to this:

All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

I just hope they make some moves soon so we can move on. Justin Williams on a PTO?

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No, no you do not. Adding a player only moves the needle a small amount. This isn't the NBA where one player changes the fate of a team. History shows that deadline adds rarely have much impact on the receiving team, and most Cup winners don't add anyone significant. I get that people have fear of missing out, but it's an emotional response, not a logical one.

This meltdown is just flat out moronic. Can't wait until this thing is over.

 

[Chrispy]

Its easy to do this when you have Hedman Stamkos and Point to lean on.

And when you consider that Stamkos and Kucherov are 32 and signed through 2024 and 2025, it makes a lot of sense to focus on improvements in the next 2-3 years in lieu of picks.

Even Kucherov, signed through 2027, is unlikely to play with many of the traded picks.

Carolina's strategy is to make the window longer and it has a younger core that makes that idea feasible. The picks are more valuable to Carolina because of roster construction.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Thanks Chris for buying the used car well above market. That definitely helps other buyers out.

The TDL is always a seller's market, and the obvious assets are also the most valuable. This team will very rarely be the highest bidder for an obviously valuable asset. Some big market and/or "win this year or bust" team will always "overpay".

 

[violaswallet]

We need 2 moves ideally. An impact forward that replaces what we lost in Pacioretty and a depth defenseman, so that when there's an injury, we don't have to insert Coghlan into the line-up.

We have no legitimate depth. Yeah, I get that we can call up a guy like Drury or Rees for 4th line, but that just moves a non-ideal asset into the top 6 if there's an injury there.

I'll be surprised if Carolina doesn't make 2 moves for those reasons. They felt they needed Pacioretty before the season started and that doesn't change.

E. Staal as the depth piece? 11 goals (pacing for 17.5 over full season but even since he started scoring)

Can play on the fourth line but also move up?

 

[Stickpucker]

What about Buchnevic? Is he at all available from Stl?

E. Staal as the depth piece? 11 goals (pacing for 17.5 over full season but even since he started scoring)

Can play on the fourth line but also move up?

I have to ask....any way Reinhart would be available?

 

[violaswallet]

What about Buchnevic? Is he at all available from Stl?



I have to ask....any way Reinhart would be available?

Yeah, I think Reino is likely available for the right price? There is some smoke, plus it looks like he might be the odd man out of the top 6 given lack of chemistry with Barkov.

My guess is if we trade Reino in conference, we want the major pieces for a Chychrun trade so first+A prospect+something small

 

[cptjeff]

E. Staal as the depth piece? 11 goals (pacing for 17.5 over full season but even since he started scoring)

Can play on the fourth line but also move up?

JR is in Vancouver now.

 

[Stickpucker]

Yeah, I think Reino is likely available for the right price? There is some smoke, plus it looks like he might be the odd man out of the top 6 given lack of chemistry with Barkov.

My guess is if we trade Reino in conference, we want the major pieces for a Chychrun trade so first+A prospect+something small

How much do you like Drury?

1st + Drury + minor prospect or 3rd?

 

[The Faulker 27]

The TDL is always a seller's market, and the obvious assets are also the most valuable. This team will very rarely be the highest bidder for an obviously valuable asset. Some big market and/or "win this year or bust" team will always "overpay".

Was kidding but yes, I agree.

JR is in Vancouver now.

But he'll always be in our hearts.

 

[spockBokk]

on Daily Faceoff Live - Saravelli just said the Canes have circled back with the Flyers about Hayes after missing out on Meier, says it all depends on the amount of $$$ they'd be willing to retain. the Avs and Wild also sniffing around he says...return could be "juicy" if the right amount of salary retained

 

[cptjeff]

on Daily Faceoff Live - Saravelli just said the Canes have circled back with the Flyers about Hayes after missing out on Meier, says it all depends on the amount of $$$ they'd be willing to retain. the Avs and Wild also sniffing around he says...return could be "juicy" if the right amount of salary retained

What about JVR? Wouldn't be a huge move, but we can absorb the cap hit and he'd likely come nearly free due to it.

 

[The Jerk Store]

Thanks Chris for buying the used car well above market. That definitely helps other buyers out.

intentional for sure

 

[spockBokk]

What about JVR? Wouldn't be a huge move, but we can absorb the cap hit and he'd likely come nearly free.

He may have said more about JVR, but I only caught that teams that missed on a Meier might circle back to him, no real specifics. I didn’t catch the whole show though, just really the part about Hayes

 

[Borsig]

Hayes? WTF no. 30 years old, under 50% in the dot, and has never even sniffed a point per game pace?

F No.

JVR is worse than Hayes.

Just do nothing. Don't give anything for this junk.

ETA at this point please just don't do anything dumb. Take a cap dump that ends this year or something to help out a west team. Who cares. Just don't give anything for the likes of Hayes, JVR, or other flat garbage

 

[ndp]

And Kucherov.

But he's not wrong. They have only a couple more years of those guys being in their prime, so go all in and mortgage the future. Worry about rebuilding down the road.

Like PIT when Crosby finally hangs them up. TB will probably sell the farm, put in a few good tank years, draft a few top tens and start the whole shebang over. It’s the ebb and flow of the thing.

It’s the one thing the Hurricanes never could seem to force themselves to do under Karmanos. And judging by recent Dundon comments he has no intention of ever playing the tank game either.

From a business point of view I understand not wanting to have a few down years. From a drafting and developing superstar talent point of view that allows you to have the REALLY good years it seems tough to pull off without a few really bad seasons mixed in every 10-15 seasons.

 

[Svechhammer]

uhhhhh

 

[cptjeff]

Why would we care about a goalie? Andersen is playing well, Koochie is ready to come up if we need depth, Raanta is perfectly serviceable as a backup.

 

[Borsig]

uhhhhh

WHY.

f***. Anderson kooch and Raanta are fine. God we're gonna do something dumb.