Pre-Game Talk: Trade Deadline: Valid Rumors ONLY (Confirmed Trades in OP / Vanek to MTL )

[Holocene]

Yeah, still don't want him at his "discounted" price. I'd rather keep Richards.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

are we to resign every player whos contract comes up irregardless? no.

cally is asking for top line money. hes a 2/3 tweener trending down with a broken body and limited offensive upside. hes not worth 6/6.

anyone who agrees to his contract demands is a legit dope.

see, the thing is with contracts and negotiating, its always adversarial. its always minimize your positives and maximize the negative so as to get the best deal for your side. that the art of the deal. buy low, sell high... donald trump. all that.

hockey is a business. business isnt always nice. life isnt nice.

nothing personal but it is what it is, as they say.

Bingo. We shouldn't even be offering him above 5.5. The fact that we've supposedly gone as high as 6 (which is idiotic) and he hasn't signed it is just embarrassing. Don't want him and can't believe we haven't dealt him. Honestly, deal him for a prospect whose blocked behind too much depth somewhere and a 2nd and I'm happy. Done.

 

[OverTheCap]

It's the term that bothers me with this potential Callahan deal, I wish Sather hadn't buckled on years and stuck firm to the 5-year offer. If Cally re-signs for 6 years, it wouldn't surprise me if the Rangers look to buy him out at some point during this deal (if he isn't injured, that is). I just can't imagine him being effective into his mid-30s, especially because his game relies on such a grinding style of play.

 

[NewLife]

Yeah, still don't want him at his "discounted" price. I'd rather keep Richards.

No its time to let go. Sell him as rental even if the return is somewhat disappointing.

 

[Miller Time NYR]

Calling 6 x 6.25 now, hopefully sather holds out until the "arms race" is over out west, at this point we can only hope someone overpays significantly for Callahan because one of San Jose, LA, or Anaheim lost out on Vanek/Moulson/Cami etc

 

[AHB*]

Sather, heed our pleas, sell the man.

 

[Glennsoe]

Found at another message board;

The Rangers are mulling over Ales Hemsky and if they can get him for a third round pick. The Oilers will want a second round pick because they don’t have one. (Sportsnet)

Spector also notes that if the Rangers lose Ryan Callahan may they look at Alex Burrows around the draft. (Sportsnet)

 

[poeman]

I dont want to overpay for Callahan...Come on man

 

[Cassano]

Hemsky for a 3rd is OK in my books. But I'd rather have that 3rd moved for Stempniak. This is of course on condition that Callahan is traded. Either Stempniak or Hemsky would suffice as rental players.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Rossi is reporting Kesler wants to play for his USA coach, Bylsma, in Pittsburgh. Probably on Sid's wing.

i love it the Penguins and Bruins continue to trade for players that help, yet the Rangers rather overpay their own players or some UFA that does not fit here.. great thinking Glen Sather. does he know its not 1980, and teams need size and grit to win in the playoffs.

 

[offdacrossbar]

I don't want to split hairs but he's not asking for top line money. Vanek is probably going to ask for something like 10 million per.

You're right about it being a business. When you negotiate for x amount of dollars, you don't ask for x, you ask for x + y. It seems like a lot of fans have been insulted by Callahan. I'm sure Girardi's agent bounced around some pretty high figures before they agreed to a deal. His negotiations just haven't been as public.

well that's debatable. for what cally brings and will likely bring going forward, i submit that his demand IS top line money. dollars divided by production for him is pretty dismal.

vanek asking for top line money is reasonable as hes a proven sniper and top line type guy. his dollars divided by production quotient is much better.

callys is terrible.

 

[stan the caddy]

well that's debatable. for what cally brings and will likely bring going forward, i submit that his demand IS top line money. dollars divided by production for him is pretty dismal.

vanek asking for top line money is reasonable as hes a proven sniper and top line type guy. his dollars divided by production quotient is much better.

callys is terrible.

I don't understand what you're trying to say. 6 million per is not what a top line player asks for in free agency unless he's offering a discount.

If you just don't think Callahan is a good player, that's fine.

 

[RGY]

I don't understand what you're trying to say. 6 million per is not what a top line player asks for in free agency unless he's offering a discount.

If you just don't think Callahan is a good player, that's fine.

He is not a $6 million dollar player.

 

[Boom Boom Geoffrion*]

Hemsky for a 3rd is OK in my books. But I'd rather have that 3rd moved for Stempniak. This is of course on condition that Callahan is traded. Either Stempniak or Hemsky would suffice as rental players.

I'd rather have a 3rd round pick than Hemsky or Stempniak.

I don't understand what you're trying to say. 6 million per is not what a top line player asks for in free agency unless he's offering a discount.

If you just don't think Callahan is a good player, that's fine.

6M is more than what 2nd line forward command. You combine that much money by the amount of years Callahan wants and it's very much a top-line contract. Not for an elite player but you don't see the average 2nd liner asking for a 40M contract.

 

[AHB*]

i love it the Penguins and Bruins continue to trade for players that help, yet the Rangers rather overpay their own players or some UFA that does not fit here.. great thinking Glen Sather. does he know its not 1980, and teams need size and grit to win in the playoffs.

Pens and Bruins are in win now mode. They can gut their future somewhat because they have Malkin and Crosby and fantastic depth up and down each lineup.

Us on the other hand, not so much.

 

[offdacrossbar]

I don't understand what you're trying to say. 6 million per is not what a top line player asks for in free agency unless he's offering a discount.

If you just don't think Callahan is a good player, that's fine.

on the contrary, hes an excellent hockey player and a top notch 3rd line rw. on a good team, he would be a terrific 3rd line/pk/energy guy.

however, hes got lobster claws for hands.

not a top line player. hes asking for more money then hes worth. hes expecting we will overpay based upon some affinity or loyalty premium. hes in essence asking for us to pay him more than market. to me, thats top line money.

theres nothing "discounted" about callahan and his demands.

his negotiating team is playing on emotions and loyalty to squeeze us into agreeing to overpay.

thats fine, its part of the ballet that is negotiation. nothing personal. were it me, i would walk away from the deal rather than offer a middle ground.

hes not worth those numbers. period.

 

[KreiMeARiver*]

6x6 will be one of worst signings ever

 

[Jim Morrison]

No, PLEASE, NO. I do not want Callahan at 6x6. Please, I beg you. That contract will set NYR back years.

 

[Garv23]

Hearing names like Hemsky and Stempniak make my stomach turn. These guys are poster boys for "I'll show up when I want to" No thanks. I'd be much happier with Cally.

 

[stan the caddy]

He is not a $6 million dollar player.

He's worth around six million. Go look at Horton, Clarkson, and Clowe's contracts. That's the market.

Top line players don't ask for 6+ per, they ask for 8-10 per. That's where contracts are trending. When you reach free agency you get paid, it is what it is.

 

[RGY]

He's worth around six million. Go look at Horton, Clarkson, and Clowe's contracts. That's the market.

Top line players don't ask for 6+ per, they ask for 8-10 per. That's where contracts are trending. When you reach free agency you get paid, it is what it is.

So....because other teams make mistakes the rangers should follow suit? The Clowe and Clarkson contracts are disasters...

 

[RiceCooker]

I'd much rather pay 6 million dollars to someone who ....you know... is a bona fide scorer, not a 3rd line grinder with a little bit of offensive skill.

 

[poeman]

6x6 Callahan...

STAY BACK!

 

[Balej20]

He's worth around six million. Go look at Horton, Clarkson, and Clowe's contracts. That's the market.

Top line players don't ask for 6+ per, they ask for 8-10 per. That's where contracts are trending. When you reach free agency you get paid, it is what it is.

None of Clarkson, Horton or Clowe make 6 mill a year. Clowe makes under 5 and that may even be too much for the injury risk he is. Clarkson makes close to 5 per and he's way overpaid. And Horton, when healthy, isn't even in the same league as Callahan, he's a much better player. And he too doesn't make 6 mill per. So what are you trying to prove here?

 

[AHB*]

He's worth around six million. Go look at Horton, Clarkson, and Clowe's contracts. That's the market.

Top line players don't ask for 6+ per, they ask for 8-10 per. That's where contracts are trending. When you reach free agency you get paid, it is what it is.

Clowe and Clarkson are already albatross contracts. At signifcantly less then Cally.

Horton is a signifcantly better player then Callahan with a major injury to start the season.

I'd take Horton over Cally any day of the week and twice on Sunday, assuming both are healthy, which is rare.