Trade Deadline Thread (March 3)

[BloFan4Life]

16 players under contract for next season at $60M in cap hits is 7 players short of a full roster.

I doubt they make a big money move unless they feel the need to trade for an upgrade in net over Comrie/UPL.


Buffalo doesn't make sense as long as Adams is unwilling to part with past or future 1st round picks.

It's 18 players at 60 million.

The rest of the holes will be filled by young kids coming up.

Skinner-Thompson-Tuch
Quinn-Cozen-Peterka
Mittelstadt-Krebs-Olofsson
Maybe they re-sign Jost (I dont see him getting qualified) and Asplund. Or they will just role with kids from rochester.

Dahlin-Samuelsson
Power-Joker
Bryson-Boosh
Stillman

UPL
Comrie

Every player I listed is under contract. So they are essentially looking for a 4th line. Maybe they add another 4 million to this roster.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

I agree with your price. However Nashville just got a better defenseman plus a top 2 prospect from Edmonton AND an unprotected 1st.

I have no interest in paying more than Edmonton did for Ekholm......and I wanted Ekholm more than Chychrun

As said - i was using @Der Jaeger 's OP which IMO made perfect sense as a comparable :

Barrie is better than Jokiharju, but Jokiharju is much younger with some possible upside & is cheaper.

Schaefer is probably a fair comparison with Rosen. Both are most teams' second best prospect but our fourth or fifth best.

Making the pick lottery protected is something I'd prefer given there is no guarantee of us making the playoffs. But if it were a deal breaker - I'd happily offer up the pick with less protection (eg lottery win protected) to get the deal done. And/or I'd sweeten the other pick - eg offer the latest of our '23 R2s instead of the '24 R4 Nashville ended up with.

 

[Jim Bob]

It's 18 players at 60 million.

The rest of the holes will be filled by young kids coming up.

Skinner-Thompson-Tuch
Quinn-Cozen-Peterka
Mittelstadt-Krebs-Olofsson
Maybe they re-sign Jost (I dont see him getting qualified) and Asplund. Or they will just role with kids from rochester.

Dahlin-Samuelsson
Power-Joker
Bryson-Boosh
Stillman

UPL
Comrie

Every player I listed is under contract. So they are essentially looking for a 4th line. Maybe they add another 4 million to this roster.

CapFriendly's table for next year had Tuch & Stillman's cap hits, but not them taking up roster spots. That was the difference in the 16 vs 18.

I doubt they opt to pass on qualifying Jost. He has been a solid pick up and I bet they do qualify him. They could also try and extend him before the QO date, too.

And I doubt they subtract Okposo and Girgensons from the roster and go with kids to replace them.

They would also be losing Anderson and those three are a massive chunk of the leadership core. I won't be surprised if Okposo and Girgensons are back on one year deals.

 

[Fezzy126]

Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds and a 2nd for Mike Richards and Rob Bordson, June 23, 2011. It's been a bit.

Yep, that's kind of my point - the first one that pops into one's mind is from over a decade ago. I think teams value top 10 assets much more these days.

Hell, even with all of these huge deals happening this week, it's really more quantity than quality. I'm not saying that the pieces aren't quality, but none of the prospects look like blue chip level talent.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

If any of this is true, which I doubt, sell the f***ing team!

When he bought them he said he won't stop til he wins a cup. Frankly I believe him.

Prove me right!

Did you believe him when he wouldn't pay out a week of earned vacation for low level staff, when he laid them off during the pandemic?

Explain to me how multiple teams have used their cap room and real dollars to get picks as high as 3rds (good enough to land a Luke Schenn) and the Sabres have been absent on any of them. You'll get the usual excuse.

Did you believe him when a day before Ryan O'Reilly's bonus was due he had to be traded which 100% had to reduce the value we got? (For sure, Tage Thompson worked out but he was the 3rd best prospect on Blues at time and we had to take that. Really, some good luck fans deserve.)

How about Montour trade. If we had traded him with 50% retained for his $3.9 M cap hit, there is almost no doubt we get more than a 3rd. We only used a retain on Hall that year.

I have no idea if we just tried to bridge Dahlin to save money or he wouldn't sign long-term because of mess at time so I will give Pags benefit of then doubt.

The key moment comes in July when Dahlin can be extended. If he starts the year with no extension, I'm not sure what more of a red flag people will need. We have one year of team control after next year and if we do another bridge deal, show me the panic button. I'm pushing it.

 

[Djp]

Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds and a 2nd for Mike Richards and Rob Bordson, June 23, 2011. It's been a bit.

it was summer
Richards had 4+ yrs of term

Kings were also at the end of their rebuild after some 6 yrs of drafting high


at the draft teams have moved top 10 picks outright before the draft…but those generally were more panic/ pressure moves

As said - i was using @Der Jaeger 's OP which IMO made perfect sense as a comparable :

Barrie is better than Jokiharju, but Jokiharju is much younger with some possible upside & is cheaper.

Schaefer is probably a fair comparison with Rosen. Both are most teams' second best prospect but our fourth or fifth best.

Making the pick lottery protected is something I'd prefer given there is no guarantee of us making the playoffs. But if it were a deal breaker - I'd happily offer up the pick with less protection (eg lottery win protected) to get the deal done. And/or I'd sweeten the other pick - eg offer the latest of our '23 R2s instead of the '24 R4 Nashville ended up with.

Barrie better than Jokerbin off stats…yes. Any other D duties…no.

Schaffer was drafted at 32..Rosen at 14 or so….big difference.

BUF 1st in 23= EDM 1st+ Schaffer

 

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“Our biggest opportunities for success are internal growth”

Ugh.

Spotify link with Kevyn Adams from yesterday.
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[Rowley Birkin]

Yep, that's kind of my point - the first one that pops into one's mind is from over a decade ago. I think teams value top 10 assets much more these days.

Hell, even with all of these huge deals happening this week, it's really more quantity than quality. I'm not saying that the pieces aren't quality, but none of the prospects look like blue chip level talent.

How often has any GM been in the position Adams is currently in though? With an absolute abundance of highly regarded forward prospects all of which may struggle to even make the team?

I get that there is bust potential with any of these guys & Adams might want to see exactly what he has in all of these guys before moving on.... But while there's an obvious need to fill on a roster which is on the cusp of finally being competitive - Adams stubbornness may end up being detrimental.

 

[BloFan4Life]

CapFriendly's table for next year had Tuch & Stillman's cap hits, but not them taking up roster spots. That was the difference in the 16 vs 18.

I doubt they opt to pass on qualifying Jost. He has been a solid pick up and I bet they do qualify him. They could also try and extend him before the QO date, too.

And I doubt they subtract Okposo and Girgensons from the roster and go with kids to replace them.

They would also be losing Anderson and those three are a massive chunk of the leadership core. I won't be surprised if Okposo and Girgensons are back on one year deals.

Jost aint worth 2.25 million. Nice player, but you can find someone that offers the same as Jost, but with leadership and better at faceoffs.

Okposo is done. The guy is terrible. Everything he does is slow. Maybe they sign Girgs, but I have heard he wants to end up in Pitt where he has a home and a better chance at making the playoffs. If the Sabres were out of it this year, he would have been traded there already.

The leadership is coming from Dahlin, Thompson, and Tuch. That has always been the projected takeover.

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

it was summer
Richards had 4+ yrs of term

Kings were also at the end of their rebuild after some 6 yrs of drafting high


at the draft teams have moved top 10 picks outright before the draft…but those generally were more panic/ pressure moves



Barrie better than Jokerbin off stats…yes. Any other D duties…no.

Schaffer was drafted at 32..Rosen at 14 or so….big difference.

BUF 1st in 23= EDM 1st+ Schaffer

Schaefer has Poile/Trotz written all over him. Big kid, likes to hit and play physical, willing to go net front to score greasy goals. At least that was the scouting report on him from what I remember.

 

[TheMistyStranger]

Jost aint worth 2.25 million. Nice player, but you can find someone that offers the same as Jost, but with leadership and better at faceoffs.

Okposo is done. The guy is terrible. Everything he does is slow. Maybe they sign Girgs, but I have heard he wants to end up in Pitt where he has a home and a better chance at making the playoffs. If the Sabres were out of it this year, he would have been traded there already.

The leadership is coming from Dahlin, Thompson, and Tuch. That has always been the projected takeover.

Source on Girgs? That sounds Facebook-y

 

[billsandsabres]

i posted this in the main board and haven't gotten a response. i think it's a valid point that would take columbus out of the running for chychrun.

Short version: Our GM Bill Armstrong was in the process of starting the rebuild ie trading everyone away, and at first had let all other teams know that Chychrun was the only untouchable player. Then Bill changed his mind and was like, "hey Jacob we're rebuilding, do you want to sit through this for the next few years or be dealt to a team that might win?" And Jacob thinks about it and is like, "yeah ok I'd rather go to a team who's fighting for the Stanley Cup" Which is completely reasonable.

There is literally no drama here, there never has been. That's the main reason Bill Armstrong hasn't been in a rush to deal him (and hasn't been dealt when he requested the trade early in the 2021-2022 season)

based on this, it seems as though there is an implicit understanding between chychrun and armstrong that he will be traded to a team that is fighting for the cup. that would seem to rule out columbus who is in last place in the nhl. chychrun doesn't have an ntc so armstrong can trade him wherever, but to trade him to columbus after that statement from chychrun would be doing him dirty. coyotes fans, am i off base here?

 

[Beerz]

i posted this in the main board and haven't gotten a response. i think it's a valid point that would take columbus out of the running for chychrun.

In turn would rule us out too

 

[Zman5778]

So LA got a #1 Goalie and a top 4 Dman for a first round pick....

Just because Korpisalo has been better than Merzlikins doesn't mean he's a legit starting goalie. And I don't think that Gavrikov is a legit top 4 Dman on a good team. IMO, on a good team, Gavrikov is a good #5.

 

[Djp]

It's 18 players at 60 million.

The rest of the holes will be filled by young kids coming up.

Skinner-Thompson-Tuch
Quinn-Cozen-Peterka
Mittelstadt-Krebs-Olofsson
Maybe they re-sign Jost (I dont see him getting qualified) and Asplund. Or they will just role with kids from rochester.

Dahlin-Samuelsson
Power-Joker
Bryson-Boosh
Stillman

UPL
Comrie

Every player I listed is under contract. So they are essentially looking for a 4th line. Maybe they add another 4 million to this roster.

I see moves happening in the off season

i think Jost can be resigned, below QO level and avoid arbitration

i think Olofsson is traded because they woukd probably not want the distraction

bryson, Asplund, Joker are up in the air. Joker is only getting moved if buffalo gets another D for him or in another deal

Mitts trade is possible but it would be in a bigger trade.

I see Girgs resigned. I don’t see KO resigned….I think he retires.

 

[Fezzy126]

How often has any GM been in the position Adams is currently in though? With an absolute abundance of highly regarded forward prospects all of which may struggle to even make the team?

I get that there is bust potential with any of these guys & Adams might want to see exactly what he has in all of these guys before moving on.... But while there's an obvious need to fill on a roster which is on the cusp of finally being competitive - Adams stubbornness may end up being detrimental.

Off the top of my head? The Kings, Canes, Avs, Rangers, and Wild have had some really well stocked and regarded pipelines over the past few years and they've all held on to their blue chippers, even when their teams were on the verge of playoff races.

 

[billsandsabres]

In turn would rule us out too

perhaps, depends on your definition of "fighting for the cup". the sabres are certainly not a contender this year but i think most impartial fans would say they are a team on the rise, and that might be enough for chychrun. i don't think you could say the same for columbus.

 

[Mattilaus]

In turn would rule us out too

I depends on Chychrun's view. Maybe he thinks we will be solidly a playoff team in a year or two. I think most people know Columbus will not.

 

[Beerz]

I depends on Chychrun's view. Maybe he thinks we will be solidly a playoff team in a year or two. I think most people know Columbus will not.

I don't think Columbus is that bad.. they've got a lot in the pipeline. They were killed by injuries this year. But we are for sure ahead.

 

[Dubi Doo]

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Off the top of my head? The Kings, Canes, Avs, Rangers, and Wild have had some really well stocked and regarded pipelines over the past few years and they've all held on to their blue chippers, even when their teams were on the verge of playoff races.

The Rangers did just trade the bluest of blue chippers for a 7th round pick and an AHL forward.

 

[The Blunder Years]

I get Adams wants to keep the room and prospect pool intact but man we really could improve the roster right now for a tiny dent in our pile of futures.

 

[toddkaz]

Adams is just playing us.

 

[UnleashRasmus]

Peterka + Jokiharju + Savoie + 2nd for Chychrun + Bjustad

Do it. Do it.

Ugh, No thank you. I'm willing to give up Savoie, but not with Peterka. I think we're closer to trading for a player like Bjugstad than we are in the Chychrun sweepstakes. Great idea, but hard pass.

 

[DapperCam]

Adams is just playing us.

He’s playing hardball. Better than giving them the whole farm like Murray.