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Eaton has been O.K.
Engo and Borto serve a purpose.

But, I would feel better if the Pens get a good PK defenseman by the trade deadline, especially if they lose one of their top 7 defenseman in a trade for a winger (or two wingers).
 
Engo's played really well for a couple of weeks now. Right when a few of us were calling for a benching, he's played his best D.

Eaton showed some cracks yesterday, but hopefully it's nothing. He's been nothing if not solid.
 
MtlPenFan said:
Engo's played really well for a couple of weeks now. Right when a few of us were calling for a benching, he's played his best D.

Eaton showed some cracks yesterday, but hopefully it's nothing. He's been nothing if not solid.
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Eaton needs to rest a game or two, but I am absolutely sure Coach will keep throwing him out there no matter what.

Would love to see DB evolve some with his personell management as he has with his system work lately....
 
Crafton! CRAFTON WHERE ARE YOU?!?!?

Come back, Crafton, COME ON!

FINE!

1st, Maatta, Pouliot, Dumoulin, Bennett for Crafton!


Anyhow, hate Bobby Mac saying the wheels are in motion. I just want something to happen. If its not us, I hope it's out west.
 
Shockmaster said:
Well I didn't know I was in the presence of a hockey expert! I shall bow down to your smugness then!

Is Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis worse than Feds-Malkin-Talbot? How could an expert like you forget such a thing?
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I asked a simpe question. It only took two or three shifts to see the coverages they were rolling. My 11 year old nephew could see it and while he has been playing since he was four, you don't have to be a hockey expert to know the answer.

So enlighten me what defense the Bruins were rolling on Crosby.

I'm waiting.

Jaded Fan said:
There is a choice here and a gamble either way. Going for it and mortgaging the future at the cost of the assets you could use for a long term solution at wing, rather than a star rental is a gamble. Standing pat and getting a tier below player than Iggy with those same assets but for the next ten years is also a gamble.

Unless you have a crystal ball neither of those choices are 'better' than the other, simply competing gambles. One could pay off big this year the other could get you multiple cups.

For me though, you need a LOT to go right to get a cup. Health, hot goalie, timing your hot streak, and so on. Even with Iggy a cup is far from a sure thing. Look at Hossa's gamble when he left us for Detroit for a recent example close to home. This team is stacked with or without Hossa and should be for years. Even if Malkin leaves, and I do not think that he will, but with Crosby, Neal and all that young defense this team should be competitive for the better part of the next decade. I am very against an expensive rental of the two gambles I set forth above for that reason. Namely that I would rather address the wing position long term instead and have multiple cracks at a cup rather than one supposedly really good one now.
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Getting Iggy gives them the best shot at a cup. You want to argue otherwise, cool. I vehemently disagree.

I read the same arguments you put forth above when Shero landed Hossa. People were happy, but others were rambling on how much Shero gave up of the future. Three first round picks! Omigod!

You only have so many opportunities like this where the East isn't as strong and there is a potential HOFer available that you can land.

Shero isn't going to give up his best prospects, so once again the handwringing is overly dramatic.
 
Mr Jiggyfly said:
Getting Iggy gives them the best shot at a cup. You want to argue otherwise, cool. I vehemently disagree.

I read the same arguments you put forth above when Shero landed Hossa. People were happy, but others were rambling on how much Shero gave up of the future. Three first round picks! Omigod!

You only have so many opportunities like this where the East isn't as strong and there is a potential HOFer available that you can land.

Shero isn't going to give up his best prospects, so once again the handwringing is overly dramatic.
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100% this. I really don't understand why people think we are going to be "giving up the farm" or "gutting our prospect pool" for Iggy. Shero doesn't get ripped off in trades. He loves these PMD's more than all of us so that's not an issue.

This year just seems like the perfect time to go all in. An Iginla type rental rarely comes around. We have ample D prospects and a few other expendable assets. Let's go for it.
 
IcedCapp said:
Crafton! CRAFTON WHERE ARE YOU?!?!?

Come back, Crafton, COME ON!

FINE!

1st, Maatta, Pouliot, Dumoulin, Bennett for Crafton!


Anyhow, hate Bobby Mac saying the wheels are in motion. I just want something to happen. If its not us, I hope it's out west.
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True but if it's an over payment I wouldn't mind seeing Boston mortgage their future for him
 
Shady Machine said:
100% this. I really don't understand why people think we are going to be "giving up the farm" or "gutting our prospect pool" for Iggy. Shero doesn't get ripped off in trades. He loves these PMD's more than all of us so that's not an issue.

This year just seems like the perfect time to go all in. An Iginla type rental rarely comes around. We have ample D prospects and a few other expendable assets. Let's go for it.
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or, "offense isn't our problem."

can you have too much offense? Iginla isn't a guy who's going to come into this locker room and create an atmosphere of loafing and skimping on defense.
 
I think there is a trade to be had with Florida that could really help us. I've wanted George Parros here for a long time. Veteran enforcer. Stanley Cup champion. Can play right through the playoffs without hurting you. Provides badly needed muscle. And is a true leader. Pittsburgh-born, to boot.

Also, Peter Mueller. He is having a very strong bounce-back season for them. But he is an RFA so perhaps they'd be willing to part with him. Mueller could be Crosby's right-winger. OR, if we choose to keep Dupuis there for chemistry reasons or whatever, Mueller would look very good with Brandon Sutter imo. A big playmaking right-winger would look very nice on that third line.

Tyler Kennedy would go the other way. Plus a second rounder. Plus a B-type prospect. This is something I would like to explore.


As far as the defense goes, I just think we should try Bortuzzo. I hate the fact he's now buried down the depth chart, with no place to go (because of waivers). I figured this would happen after bringing back Eaton, and Eaton has indeed played well. But Bortuzzo could be the missing piece for us. He might be the stay-at-home guy with size that would complete our postseason blueline. But they're not committed to him at all, clearly. And it's frustrating.


About Iginla now. I think we need to pay special attention here to the teams being listed. According to Marty McSorley, who now works for SportsNet but who is also pretty tight with the Kings organization, Darryl Sutter REALLY is pushing for Iggy to come to LaLaland. The suggestion is that Jonathan Bernier will be the centerpiece for any Kings deal for Iginla. SportsNet also said today that there are those that believe Miikka Kiprusoff will be the Flames veteran who will be dealt...possibly to Toronto. That would leave Bernier to Calgary as a very real and logical move.

ALSO, why do you think Vancouver is in the mix? Obviously, the Flames-Canucks rivalry is pretty intense. The fact Vancouver is popping up a lot is because there is the speculation that the Iginla family (himself, wife and kids) don't want to move too far away from their home in Kelowna, BC (which isn't far from Calgary). So, it's quite conceivable that all of this is really going to come down to a choice Iginla has to make between staying in Calgary, moving to Vancouver or moving to Los Angeles.

Boston and Pittsburgh are in the mix because they'll be able to drive the price up for Vancouver and/or Los Angeles. Both teams have known interest in Iginla, or at least logical ties. Plus they're the two powerhouses of the Eastern Conference, so having them in the mix makes sense if all this is needed for posturing. I have NO IDEA why Detroit is mentioned, and I'll continue to ignore them. The thought of Iggy in Motown makes me ill, to be honest.
 
IcedCapp said:
or, "offense isn't our problem."

can you have too much offense? Iginla isn't a guy who's going to come into this locker room and create an atmosphere of loafing and skimping on defense.
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Exactly. I think my head might explode (figuratively speaking) if I see one more person go "but we are the highest scoring team in the league".
 
I'm going to have to agree with the people who want to add Iginla. He's ideal. He's exactly what we need-a veteran leader who would instantly become the best winger on the Pens. It's just going to cost.
 
Boychuk was placed on waivers for the third time, we could try him again. Many posters here loved that idiot and the only reason he wasn't a 30 goal scorer was because he was snakebitten!

GMs are meeting today, lets hope Shero takes tubby feaster out for a dinner buffet tonight to work out a deal for Iginla.
 
No Wingers said:
Boychuk was placed on waivers for the third time, we could try him again. Many posters here loved that idiot and the only reason he wasn't a 30 goal scorer was because he was snakebitten!

GMs are meeting today, lets hope Shero takes tubby feaster out for a dinner buffet tonight to work out a deal for Iginla.
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Laugh, but he'd be a better 4th liner than Glass. One thing Boychuk wasn't was a liability.
 
Jags,

I would be fine with Parros although I don't see the need for an enforcer in the playoffs. Fights typically go down in the playoffs and he isn't a better hockey player than Glass so I don't really see the need.

Mueller I would love, but why would the Panthers trade him? They took a gamble on him and it seemed to pay off. He's an RFA so it would have to be more of a hockey trade.

Also, why would LA want Iggy (other than the fact that he's Iggy)? They are strong on the wing, especially RH wingers. The obvious need really isn't there. I really don't see why they would trade their most valuable chip (Bernier) for a short term fix. It's a much different situation in Pittsburgh. We have a need and many assets that could be in play. I just think your analysis is off.
 
Chancellor Vitale said:
Komisarek waived by Toronto, including NMC. A little surprising. Is he that bad now?

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=418640

At his salary my guess is he won't be picked up / this was done to make a trade possible.
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Komisarek has been terrible since leaving Montreal and the only reason he was half decent back then was cause he was paired with Markov. The guy was finished after deciding to be a hero and fight Lucic, from there it was game over

He is a borderline NHLer now and at that price most teams can do better
 
If you are going to go ALL IN, I damn sure wouldn't do it for Iginla and I like him. But, if you going to give up major pieces of your future, go to Buffalo and get Pominville. Fulfills that RW spot for Crosby for YEARS to come .... at least more than Iginla. Iginla's price is going to get pushed up as many teams see him as a possible necessary piece.

I think Pominville would flourish here, not having to be a leader on this team. And hell, it's not like Buffalo would be stopping us from going to the playoffs from the other division, just like Calgary would not.
 
Shady Machine said:
Jags,

I would be fine with Parros although I don't see the need for an enforcer in the playoffs. Fights typically go down in the playoffs and he isn't a better hockey player than Glass so I don't really see the need.

Mueller I would love, but why would the Panthers trade him? They took a gamble on him and it seemed to pay off. He's an RFA so it would have to be more of a hockey trade.

Also, why would LA want Iggy (other than the fact that he's Iggy)? They are strong on the wing, especially RH wingers. The obvious need really isn't there. I really don't see why they would trade their most valuable chip (Bernier) for a short term fix. It's a much different situation in Pittsburgh. We have a need and many assets that could be in play. I just think your analysis is off.
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Sutter wants him. We don't know if Lombardi wants to break anything up to add him. But he has never been afraid to gamble, either. What you said about LA is how other fans describe our situation. "Why does Pitt need more scoring, blah blah". The fact is you can ALWAYS improve, and LA has an 'in' with Iginla's former coach.


Le Magnifique 66 said:
Komisarek has been terrible since leaving Montreal and the only reason he was half decent back then was cause he was paired with Markov. The guy was finished after deciding to be a hero and fight Lucic, from there it was game over

He is a borderline NHLer now and at that price most teams can do better
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If I were the Islanders, I'd take a chance with Komisarek based on leadership alone. That team badly needs some.
 
Chancellor Vitale said:
Komisarek waived by Toronto, including NMC. A little surprising. Is he that bad now?

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=418640

At his salary my guess is he won't be picked up / this was done to make a trade possible.
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What's weird is I thought he was good this year in the 4 games he played. He waived because he just wants to play and he'll get that opportunity on the Marlies.

From all accounts, he's an awesome guy and great in the room. That means dick on the ice, but I'm pulling for him to find a place in the NHL. (Not with the Pens at that price...)
 
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