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The Podium said:
I don’t get why everyone is so afraid of Florida?

They are us with worse star forwards and worse D.

The only place Florida has Toronto beat is depth forwards and goaltending, but even then the Leafs depth isn’t a weakness.

Even their goaltending has some question marks.
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Florida hasn't done a thing. A lot like the Leafs. Recently lost 3-in-a-row but followed it up with 5 wins. Only 7-5 in last 12. I hope they run away with the division and get the President's trophy. That pressure will be interesting to see on them. Tampa had it on them a few years ago and got swept by the Jackets. Bob knows it can happen as he was part of making it happen against Tampa. Let's see how Bob does when he's the one backing the top team in the league. Bet it will be different.

I'd much rather face them than Tampa, but Florida, on paper, and in the stats column, can light it up like nobody else when it comes to putting it in the net. You're not likely to outscore them unless your goalie is unconscious and the odds of that with us are to dress it up, unlikely.

Some pray for rain. I pray for Canes. Gimme them. We know we can beat them even with goalie problems and no Matthews. I said this before. Carolina has the only goalie I trust less than our situation in Andersen. That guy is a choke artist. Caniacs are in for a surprise with him in net.
 
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TheDoldrums said:
why is our PP so much better if just about every one of their players up front is better

the real difference between the teams is goaltending, as it is with every team the Leafs might face. Their special teams and 5v5 play can match up with anyone. But they need Campbell to rediscover his form to have any chance obvously
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You mean "the regular season Leafs 5v5 play" can match up with anyone? Because this core constantly has disappeared in the playoffs 5 years running.
 
The Podium said:
Their D is awful after the first pair, the Leafs defensive depth, especially after the Lyubushkin and Gio additions, is absolutely better

Their top 6 forwards?
Matthews > Barkov
Marner < Huberdeau
Nylander > Giroux
Tavares > Bennett
Kerfoot =< Verhaghe
Bunting > Duclair

Close but I’d still take Torontos

Better forward depth and physicality? Yes

Better defensive depth and physicality? No

Goaltending?
Maybe currently but Bobrovsky has made it out of the 1st round once in his career and is sporting a 0.899 save % in 41 career playoff games

Campbell: 7 GP .934
Mrazek: 29 GP .911
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Matthews>Barkov
Marner<Huberdeau (It gets worse when you consider AAV)
Nylander<Reinhart
Tavares>Giroux
Kerfoot<Bennett
Bunting<Verhaeghe
Kase<Duclair

The remaining depth forwards all skew in Florida's favor too.

You're really sleeping on their defence. Forsling for example would be the Leafs 4th best d-man behind a healthy Muzzin. I'd take Gudas over Lybushkin. Jury's out on Giordano. He's been far from Norris form the last 2 years, but maybe playing fewer minutes will help his play.

Bob this year has been far better than anyone the Leafs have. I agree he can struggle at inappropriate times, but then they also have Knight who ended up being the guy for last year's playoffs, and has looked great again since being called up. Either way Florida has the best two there.
 
Mr_Fun said:
I'm not sure where all the anger is coming from directed at you but your posts have always been solid, even when I disagree (going back to the old board).
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Pipes man is that you? Either way I appreciate the love.

My intent is certainly never to troll, although when the opinion goes against the group it certainly ruffles feathers lol.
 
JKG33 said:
Matthews>Barkov
Marner<Huberdeau (It gets worse when you consider AAV)
Nylander<Reinhart
Tavares>Giroux
Kerfoot<Bennett
Bunting<Verhaeghe
Kase<Duclair

The remaining depth forwards all skew in Florida's favor too.

You're really sleeping on their defence. Forsling for example would be the Leafs 4th best d-man behind a healthy Muzzin. I'd take Gudas over Lybushkin. Jury's out on Giordano. He's been far from Norris form the last 2 years, but maybe playing fewer minutes will help his play.

Bob this year has been far better than anyone the Leafs have. I agree he can struggle at inappropriate times, but then they also have Knight who ended up being the guy for last year's playoffs, and has looked great again since being called up. Either way Florida has the best two there.
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First of all you have 7 players in their top 6 and a lot of your arrows are in the wrong direction.

Floridas D is awful, Forsling and Gudas would maybe be on the bottom pair here, maybe press box. They aren’t better than any of Reilly, Gio, Brodie or Muzzin, arguable between them, Lyubushkin, Lilly, Sandin* and Holl.

Bob 2.57 GAA 917 save %
Jack 2.65 GAA 914 save %

“Far better”

Bob is average at best with a suspect playoff history.
 
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The Podium said:
First of all you have 7 players in their top 6 and a lot of your arrows are in the wrong direction.

Floridas D is awful, Forsling and Gudas would maybe be on the bottom pair here, maybe press box. They aren’t better than any of Reilly, Gio, Brodie or Muzzin, arguable between him, Lyubushkin, Lilly, Sandin* and Holl.

Bob 2.57 GAA 917 save %
Jack 2.65 GAA 914 save %

“Far better”
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We're going to have to agree to disagree on the arrows. I included 7 for two reasons: Reinhart is their 3rd best forward and there is a clear talent drop off for both teams after the best 7.

Florida's D is not awful. Reilly-Brodie would be their 2nd pairing if you wanna play that game.

Bob's play has been relatively consistent throughout the season. Campbell was unreal the first couple months and awful ever since. I'll take the guy who's shown consistency, and in saying that I do absolutely love Campbell. But tbh I'd be most comfortable with Knight starting over either of them. He's shown to be a big game goalie in his young career.
 
Advanced stats said:
Solidify it with what though?
37 year old MAF who isn't playing great this year?
Kahonen who is unproven?
Varlamov?

Non of them are enticing options... Unless you give up multiple 1st for Gibson
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A down year for MAF is better than anything we have. Also he knows what winning feels like. All we have are losers and an unproven rookie goalie who should be spared the weight of all the pressure on these current Leafs. Dubas would be a dick to try to force him to be the solution.

And yeah I’d give up 2 1sts for Gibson. Those will be late firsts and we have absolutely jack shit in the pipelines for goaltending. Maybe if we prioritized drafting/developing a goalie we wouldn’t be in this situation.
 
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JKG33 said:
We're going to have to agree to disagree on the arrows. I included 7 for two reasons: Reinhart is their 3rd best forward and there is a clear talent drop off for both teams after the best 7.

Florida's D is not awful. Reilly-Brodie would be their 2nd pairing if you wanna play that game.

Bob's play has been relatively consistent throughout the season. Campbell was unreal the first couple months and awful ever since. I'll take the guy who's shown consistency, and in saying that I do absolutely love Campbell. But tbh I'd be most comfortable with Knight starting over either of them. He's shown to be a big game goalie in his young career.
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If you are going best 6 to best 6 disregarding the exact lines, the Leafs still come out on top.

Matthews > Barkov
Marner < Huberdeau*
Nylander > Giroux
Tavares > Reinhart
Bunting > Bennett
Kerfoot > Verhaghe

* Huberdeau arguably is the worst defensive forward in the league and actually is a net negative despite the godly offensive output but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt

Like I said Floridas D is bad after Ekblad and Weegar, and Ekblads hurt

Their goaltending has question marks, albeit less than ours
 
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That's a pretty cheap price to pay, for Domi @ 25% (75% withheld)

Maybe he's a guy Dubas doesn't like at any price, and I could understand why.

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The Podium said:
If you are going best 6 to best 6 disregarding the exact lines, the Leafs still come out on top.

Matthews > Barkov
Marner < Huberdeau*
Nylander > Giroux
Tavares > Reinhart
Bunting > Bennett
Kerfoot > Verhaghe

* Huberdeau arguably is the worst defensive forward in the league and actually is a net negative despite the godly offensive output but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt

Like I said Floridas D is bad after Ekblad and Weegar, and Ekblads hurt

Their goaltending has question marks, albeit less than ours
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I'll meet you in the middle and call Giroux and Reinhart equal to Tavares and Nylander. Bennett however is far better than Bunting, and its not particularly close. Bunting is a great passenger on the top line, but Bennett is more skilled and physical.

Florida's D depth is not bad but I don't think we'll agree on that one.
 
BrannigansLaw said:
A down year for MAF is better than anything we have. Also he knows what winning feels like. All we have are losers and an unproven rookie goalie who should be spared the weight of all the pressure on these current Leafs. Dubas would be a dick to try to force him to be the solution.

And yeah I’d give up 2 1sts for Gibson. Those will be late firsts and we have absolutely jack shit in the pipelines for goaltending. Maybe if we prioritized drafting/developing a goalie we wouldn’t be in this situation.
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I'd sure be glad going from Fred's career .916 SV% in the playoffs to Fleury's .912 and .914 from the last 3 seaons. Sure beats Campbell's .934 from last year too.

Gibson is a different story. Even if the Leafs had genuine interest in him AND were willing to pay what he cost, how do you know he'd be better? He's been meh the last few seasons. How do you fit him under the cap? How do you fit him going forward?
 
Morgs said:
I'd sure be glad going from Fred's career .916 SV% in the playoffs to Fleury's .912 and .914 from the last 3 seaons. Sure beats Campbell's .934 from last year too.

Gibson is a different story. Even if the Leafs had genuine interest in him AND were willing to pay what he cost, how do you know he'd be better? He's been meh the last few seasons. How do you fit him under the cap? How do you fit him going forward?
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Oh yeah that .934 looked great on that OT goal
in Game 6 or that brutal Gallagher goal in Game 7! If only things were as simple as you think things are.

As for your second point, let’s not trade or sign anybody then! What do you want? A guarantee in the contract that he’ll be better than what we have? Lmfao. Gtfo with that dumb shit.
 
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Fogelhund said:
That's a pretty cheap price to pay, for Domi @ 25% (75% withheld)

Maybe he's a guy Dubas doesn't like at any price, and I could understand why.

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I had Hreschuk as a top 50 prospect last year (although only top 75 in quality), but he went at the end of the 3rd round.

There is some upside in that play, considering losing Hreschuk is not really a big deal them and they desperately need depth scoring up front, but Domi is not really anything spectacular outside of that one year he had in Montreal. We will see if he can buy in to Carolina's system and maybe blossom there, but I am not really worried about Carolina as much as teams with high end goaltending (not that Andersen has been bad, but he hasn't shown he can show up in the playoffs).
 
Morgs said:
How I'd go next game (assuming Kase plays, and Gio/Blackwell lineup)

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Kase-Tavares-Nylander
Engvall-Kampf-Mikheyev
Robertson-Kerfoot-Blackwell

If Kase is out, give Blackwell a shot on L2 and put Spezza in his spot.

Defense:
Rielly-Liljegren
Brodie-Holl
Giordano-Lyubushkin
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Unless there are some injuries Robertson is a Marlie until he isnt
 
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