Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[ToneDog]

I think Muzzin to Edm would make a lot of sense for both sides
I think Yamamoto , Poolparty, Mcleod, would all be solid targets for leafs

If you are planning to replace Muzzin with Sandin then you better load up the forward group so that we spend less time in our end. As funny as that sounds, it makes sense if you choose to go the cheap route in goal (that is a reliable less expensive tandem) and cheap on D.

 

[pspot]

was $1 million more than Holl.

Justin Braun?

 

[Stephen]

Elliot Freidman mentioned Max Domi as an option for Toronto and I'd be all for that. I think he could play anywhere in the top 9.

Ideally he'd be on the 3rd line.

But I do think Domi Tavares Nylander could work well


Or even Domi Matthews Marner

Yeah, I've speculated Max Domi for a couple of years now just as a Toronto guy with Leaf roots and a bit of a nomadic career. I also wonder if Andrew Cogliano would slide in as the new Spezza.

 

[Stephen]

If you are planning to replace Muzzin with Sandin then you better load up the forward group so that we spend less time in our end. As funny as that sounds, it makes sense if you choose to go the cheap route in goal (that is a reliable less expensive tandem) and cheap on D.

Whenever I complain about the defensive construction on this team and their draft track record, I always think about how Muzzin is this designated unicorn of a physical two way defenseman with size and cup winning experience, but we don't draft and develop this player type with very much frequency who could one day replace him.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Start your replacement list at $1 million if you keep McCann because he was $1 million more than Holl.

Keep in mind that salary cap thing? It's inconvenient, I understand that.

Schann signed for 850k,

Hakanpan makes 1.5M

Cole at 2.9M

They also could have dealt Kerfoot, he has value right?

Or sign a less expensive back up, Raanta at 2x2M saves 900k. The Mrazek contract still blows my mind.

 

[ULF_55]

Yeah, I've speculated Max Domi for a couple of years now just as a Toronto guy with Leaf roots and a bit of a nomadic career. I also wonder if Andrew Cogliano would slide in as the new Spezza.

I wonder if Cogliano is going to get a pretty big bump up from his last contract for being an effective piece (albeit small) on the Cup winner? Can they afford to give him $2mm?

 

[zeke]

What’s hilarious is claiming the leafs are ruthless by letting replaceable depth players go. That isn’t moving the needle.

McDonagh is on the decline, TB see it and are acting now before having to add a premium to move the contract.

"On the decline" doesn't change that they just lost their #2D for nothing, due only to cap concerns.

You don't congratulate a team for forcing itself to lose one of its best players for nothing.

 

[ToneDog]

Whenever I complain about the defensive construction on this team and their draft track record, I always think about how Muzzin is this designated unicorn of a physical two way defenseman with size and cup winning experience, but we don't draft and develop this player type with very much frequency who could one day replace him.

I believe Hunter tried and failed. Dubas doesn't seem to value it and now we have to watch Schnieder on Broadway.

 

[deprw]

I would be more philosophical about Muzzin as a should he stay or go if we had a decently priced goalie.

I'd maybe try to first trade Holl and go from there. Then next off season we have more options to trade Muzzin and maybe get some small value back from it. Now it's basicly free dump which Muzzin fully controls and if he declines there is nothing we can do. I'd take value out of Holl and Kerfoot, since I think Muzzin can have bigger impact in playoffs.

I think interest of trading Muzzin comes more from the decision that Tampa made, rather than it being best possible solution for us. We see Tampa trading McDonagh we see asset pretty close to that and want to copy it.

If we need cap space and assets then trade first those future UFAs and keep Muzzin that as player type is more vital to us than Holl.

 

[ToneDog]

"On the decline" doesn't change that they just lost their #2D for nothing, due only to cap concerns.

We lost our #1G and #1LWer last year and will probably lose our #1G, #2LWer this year for nothing.

They dumped a 6.7m x 4 declining dman for a couple of warm bodies one year too early which is better than making that move one year too late. You need to take off your blue and white glasses to see how good this move is for Tampa.

 

[ULF_55]

I believe Hunter tried and failed. Dubas doesn't seem to value it and now we have to watch Schnieder on Broadway.

What's worse is the Leafs passed on Sheskerkin 3 times in 2014.

 

[ULF_55]

We lost our #1G and #1LWer last year and will probably lose our #1G, #2LWer this year for nothing.

Who is the Leafs #2LW?

I'm curious, who we think is that?

Honestly, I just don't see one. Okay, yes they had someone play on the 2nd. line at the LW position, but who do you consider a 2nd. line LW?

I think that is a major hole, and I haven't been impressed with any of the try-outs yet. Kind of hampers the effectiveness of that line.

 

[pspot]

Who is the Leafs #2LW?

I'm curious, who we think is that?

Honestly, I just don't see one. Okay, yes they had someone play on the 2nd. line at the LW position, but who do you consider a 2nd. line LW?

I think that is a major hole, and I haven't been impressed with any of the try-outs yet. Kind of hampers the effectiveness of that line.

Mik? I thought Kerfoot was tbh

I think Kubalik would be an under the radar nice add....but he's probably looking for 4 mill range

 

[zeke]

We lost our #1G and #1LWer last year and will probably lose our #1G, #2LWer this year for nothing.

They dumped a 6.7m x 4 declining dman for a couple of warm bodies one year too early which is better than making that move one year too late. You need to take off your blue and white glasses to see how good this move is for Tampa.

The Leafs lost non-core players - a goalie who stunk and a complementary winger - and easily replaced them and had a better season.

The Bolts just lost a core player for nothing.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Who is the Leafs #2LW?

I'm curious, who we think is that?

Honestly, I just don't see one. Okay, yes they had someone play on the 2nd. line at the LW position, but who do you consider a 2nd. line LW?

I think that is a major hole, and I haven't been impressed with any of the try-outs yet. Kind of hampers the effectiveness of that line.

Mik? I thought Kerfoot was tbh

I guess the hope is/was is Amirov, Knies or Robertson take it.

 

[ToneDog]

What's worse is the Leafs passed on Sheskerkin 3 times in 2014.

The difference is Schneider was on our radar and Schneider was the exact type of dman we needed and the Leafs probably didn't know Sheskerkin existed.

 

[Stephen]

I wonder if Cogliano is going to get a pretty big bump up from his last contract for being an effective piece (albeit small) on the Cup winner? Can they afford to give him $2mm?

He deserves a raise but the minimum wage and Toronto would probably be more likely if he wanted to do it.

 

[ToneDog]

The Leafs lost non-core players - a goalie who stunk and a complementary winger - and easily replaced them and had a better season.

The Bolts just lost a core player for nothing.

Agreed but McDonagh is a declining asset. Better to cut bait sooner than later. They will promote Sergachev to soften the blow. Would you move Muzzin if you could ?? Love the guy but I'd move him if I could and had a capable replacement.

 

[ULF_55]

We lost our #1G and #1LWer last year and will probably lose our #1G, #2LWer this year for nothing.

They dumped a 6.7m x 4 declining dman for a couple of warm bodies one year too early which is better than making that move one year too late. You need to take off your blue and white glasses to see how good this move is for Tampa.

Really, they had to do something, and it is quite possible they have a prospect that could be in the line-up.

Sergachev is only a year older than Liljegren, so they do have some youts.
Cal Foote could be slated to take a bigger role, he around Liljegren's age.

Need to keep moving the younger guys in.

 

[Stephen]

I'd maybe try to first trade Holl and go from there. Then next off season we have more options to trade Muzzin and maybe get some small value back from it. Now it's basicly free dump which Muzzin fully controls and if he declines there is nothing we can do. I'd take value out of Holl and Kerfoot, since I think Muzzin can have bigger impact in playoffs.

I think interest of trading Muzzin comes more from the decision that Tampa made, rather than it being best possible solution for us. We see Tampa trading McDonagh we see asset pretty close to that and want to copy it.

If we need cap space and assets then trade first those future UFAs and keep Muzzin that as player type is more vital to us than Holl.

I have no problem with a free dump if it means we can spend $5.6 million freely somewhere else. But yeah Holl would probably be flushed out as well, carving out a pool of $7.6 million between the two to work with. My only reason for getting it done sooner is the decline of Muzzin could turn him into a toxic asset. But a wait and see does give you more time.

 

[zeke]

Who is the Leafs #2LW?

I'm curious, who we think is that?

Honestly, I just don't see one. Okay, yes they had someone play on the 2nd. line at the LW position, but who do you consider a 2nd. line LW?

I think that is a major hole, and I haven't been impressed with any of the try-outs yet. Kind of hampers the effectiveness of that line.

Last Year:

Kerfoot: EV 13gl/47pt pace -- PP 0:06, 0gl/1pt pace
Killorn: EV 19gl/45pt pace -- PP 3:12, 6gl/14pt pace
Burakovsky: EV 18gl/51pt pace -- PP 2:01, 4gl/11pt pace

 

[Stephen]

I believe Hunter tried and failed. Dubas doesn't seem to value it and now we have to watch Schnieder on Broadway.

Well, also Miller in New York because they traded up to draft him and we traded down to get Sandin and at the moment it doesn’t feel like there’s a defined career path for him.

And Guhle in Montreal.

 

[ULF_55]

I guess the hope is/was is Amirov, Knies or Robertson take it.

Knies seems to be the future for that line.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I have no problem with a free dump if it means we can spend $5.6 million freely somewhere else. But yeah Holl would probably be flushed out as well, carving out a pool of $7.6 million between the two to work with. My only reason for getting it done sooner is the decline of Muzzin could turn him into a toxic asset. But a wait and see does give you more time.

Waiting and seeing on Mrazek went from being about to trade Mrazek and getting a minor asset to now having to trade Mrazek and attach some kind of sweetener. I prefer to get ahead of things.

If Muzzin can move now and get something useful, just do it.

 

[pspot]

I guess the hope is/was is Amirov, Knies or Robertson take it.

cap wise that would be fantastic