Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[notdoneyet]

Tampa bay management
Lets keep kucherov and others on ltir until the playoffs
So we can be 18 million over the cap
Lets trade our 2nd best dman so we can sign a couple more important pieces to stay in the hunt for another cup

Leafs management
Lets play muzzin the last three games of the season instead of putting him on ltir so we can add more depth at the deadline.
Lets not move any of the big four like tavares so we can add more depth

One team will do whatever it takes to win
One team wants to be friends and be happy losing every first round

 

[showtime8]

This stuff is hilarious.

The Leafs are constantly ruthless and let their depth players go instead of overpaying. They get mocked for "own rentals" and "losing assets for nothing".

Meanwhile now Tampa gets praised for being forced to literally give away their 2nd best dman for nothing.

Crazy town.

There are a lot of teams that get saddled with contracts because GM's are too proud and aren't diligent enough to trade a player because of the optics of the situation.

Tampa traded a player that has 4 more seasons at almost 7 mill at age 33. Teams around the league knew that they were in cap trouble, so they took the best deal they could get and move on. I'm not sure how much better of a return they could have got if they waited another month.

 

[Stephen]

This stuff is hilarious.

The Leafs are constantly ruthless and let their depth players go instead of overpaying. They get mocked for "own rentals" and "losing assets for nothing".

Meanwhile now Tampa gets praised for being forced to literally give away their 2nd best dman for nothing.

Crazy town.

I dunno, seems unrealistic to expect Toronto-Tampa comparisons to be flattering for the Leafs when the Lightning were this close to winning 3x straight Stanley Cups.

 

[notdoneyet]

Absolutely brilliant from tampa point of view
They trade an old dman so they can keep palat and others and keep the team in the hunt for another cup. Im sure they will pick up another decent dman who will give them a deal for a chance for a cup.

 

[DcW]

Solid addition, just needs to play RW instead of centre.

Blackwell was the definition of “just a guy”. Was he bad? No. Was he in anyway good?…No. He’s just a guy who takes up minutes. I’d rather someone who impacts the game in some shape or form (great at draws, physical, something).

 

[Kurtz]

Tampa bay management
Lets keep kucherov and others on ltir until the playoffs
So we can be 18 million over the cap
Lets trade our 2nd best dman so we can sign a couple more important pieces to stay in the hunt for another cup

Leafs management
Lets play muzzin the last three games of the season instead of putting him on ltir so we can add more depth at the deadline.
Lets not move any of the big four like tavares so we can add more depth

One team will do whatever it takes to win
One team wants to be friends and be happy losing every first round

Gonna disagree on that one. Trading their 2nd best dman to make room for Palat doesn't help them stay in the hunt. It makes them worse next year.

Where the deal pays off for them is 3,4 years from now when they're not stuck with a diminishing dman making $7 mil. It's a smart move in the long term, but make no mistake about it, it makes them notably weaker next season.

 

[Nineteen67]

Can’t help but feel like Tampa sniped that cap credit Myers buyout AND offloaded McDonagh the way we should have gotten Myers and dumped Muzzin. But they have championship level management for a reason.

Preds don’t want Muzzin.

 

[Nineteen67]

Taking their #2D for free isn't bailing them out.

What worse penalty do you want Tampa to pay for their cap hell than losing their #2D for nothing?



Players rarely refuse to waive their NTCs.

No reason to think Tavares wouldnt waive his as well.

But why would we give away our ppg C?

It’s not cap hell. They won. Cap hell prevents you from winning.

 

[Mess]

I dunno, seems unrealistic to expect Toronto-Tampa comparisons to be flattering for the Leafs when the Lightning were this close to winning 3x straight Stanley Cups.

Winning comes at a price and its hard to keep a winning team together, particularly when you reward your players for success because they earned their contracts and raises.

 

[ACC1224]

Any Leaf fan that wouldn’t welcome Tampas situation is lying to themselves.

 

[deprw]

Numerous reports had McDonagh playing well below his standards during this run and battling a ton of injuries and mileage. Tampa is being quite proactive in moving on from this massive contract before it can be a problem for them. This is the approach I want to take with Muzzin. If things are bad enough there's always LTIR. But what if he's just a severely distressed asset in and out of the lineup? Couldn't we spend the $5.6 million on something less rickety?

This off season Muzzin controls his destination and it might be trade to LA as only option with no real assets coming back. Next summer there is 10 teams that he can be traded to, so this isn't equal situation with McDonagh. Though in case of Muzzin choosing his destination it might be the case that we get nothing back. Is Muzzin more valuable next season than that nothing and few UFA players? Maybe, maybe not.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Elliot Freidman mentioned Max Domi as an option for Toronto and I'd be all for that. I think he could play anywhere in the top 9.

Ideally he'd be on the 3rd line.

But I do think Domi Tavares Nylander could work well


Or even Domi Matthews Marner

 

[Nylander88]

Not sure why but I just have this gut feel that Fleury is going to be a Leaf. Personally would be happy with it, just need a solid partner that can take 30-35 games

Elliot Freidman mentioned Max Domi as an option for Toronto and I'd be all for that. I think he could play anywhere in the top 9.

Ideally he'd be on the 3rd line.

But I do think Domi Tavares Nylander could work well


Or even Domi Matthews Marner

No sense fixing something that ain't broken. Bunting-Matthews-Marner should stay intact. But I agree I think Domi would be a nice add and could fit in with Tavares-Nylander. Be nice to have a player to maybe drag Tavares and Willy into the odd scrum, light a fire under them

 

[WTFMAN99]

Muzz is cheaper, signed for a shorter term and has a modified ntc next season opening up trade options.
I’m totally on board with moving Muzz, but I see the logic in keeping him for this season considering he’s the only D man who brings something different to the group

I'd rather trade Muzzin this summer than wait a year too long.

Keep in mind we had teams actually calling us on Mrazek in-season and we turned them down, now we gotta call them and ask what we gotta include for them to take him.

Blackwell was the definition of “just a guy”. Was he bad? No. Was he in anyway good?…No. He’s just a guy who takes up minutes. I’d rather someone who impacts the game in some shape or form (great at draws, physical, something).

Blackwell is good defensively, will finish checks (but smaller) but definitely isn't a centre...it would be like putting Marner at centre and complaining you're not getting the best out of him.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Not sure why but I just have this gut feel that Fleury is going to be a Leaf. Personally would be happy with it, just need a solid partner that can take 30-35 games


No sense fixing something that ain't broken. Bunting-Matthews-Marner should stay intact. But I agree I think Domi would be a nice add and could fit in with Tavares-Nylander. Be nice to have a player to maybe drag Tavares and Willy into the odd scrum, light a fire under them

It's not about fixing what's not broken it's about getting deeper.

Yes Bunting Matthews Marner worked but if Bunting Tavares Nylander works that's even better because that fills the hole on the 2nd line.

Domi Matthews Marner

Bunting Tavares Nylander

If that can work as a top 6 that would be great because then we aren't talking about needing a top 6 LW anymore which we did all last season.

Like I said though ideally Domi would be on the 3rd line

 

[The Podium]

I'd rather trade Muzzin this summer than wait a year too long.

Keep in mind we had teams actually calling us on Mrazek in-season and we turned them down, now we gotta call them and ask what we gotta include for them to take him.



Blackwell is good defensively, will finish checks (but smaller) but definitely isn't a centre...it would be like putting Marner at centre and complaining you're not getting the best out of him.

You’d rather trade Muzzin when he has a full NTC vs a pending UFA with a 10 team modified NTC?

Keeping him for 1 more season only makes him easier to move, despite how he performs.

 

[Fogelhund]

It's not about fixing what's not broken it's about getting deeper.

Yes Bunting Matthews Marner worked but if Bunting Tavares Nylander even better because that fills the hole on the 2nd line.

Domi Matthews Marner

Bunting Tavares Nylander

If that can work as a top 6 that would be great because then we aren't talking about needing a top 6 LW anymore which we did all last season.

Like I said though ideally Domi would be on the 3rd line

Multiple challenges with Domi, as far as fit on this team. Domi isn't very good defensively, and I'm not sure that's the type of player we should be searching for. He also isn't very physical, which I think we need more of.

I had thought about him some as well, but changed my mind when I looked into him.

 

[ACC1224]

Elliot Freidman mentioned Max Domi as an option for Toronto and I'd be all for that. I think he could play anywhere in the top 9.

Ideally he'd be on the 3rd line.

But I do think Domi Tavares Nylander could work well


Or even Domi Matthews Marner

Easy pass. Unless Tannenbaum has started making personnel decisions can’t see any way they bring the Domi circus to town.

 

[Fogelhund]

Maple Leafs off-season rumblings & outlook

Weird URL for sure, but good article. Click on the North Star link below... the twitter link doesn't seem to take you to the article.

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NorthStar

Interesting Chris Johnston article.

 

[ITM]

Maple Leafs off-season rumblings & outlook

Weird URL for sure, but good article.

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NorthStar

Interesting Chris Johnston article.

Interesting indeed. Worth the read. Thanks.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Maple Leafs off-season rumblings & outlook

Weird URL for sure, but good article.

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NorthStar

Interesting Chris Johnston article.

It might just be me but I'm not actually seeing the article when I click on it.

I assume Vilke Husso is mentioned because that is a picture of Ville Husso but I don't know because I can't actually see the article

 

[WTFMAN99]

You’d rather trade Muzzin when he has a full NTC vs a pending UFA with a 10 team modified NTC?

Keeping him for 1 more season only makes him easier to move, despite how he performs.

He had a pretty bad season last year, he repeats that again and it's gonna be hard to move him.

One thing that helps is he had a good playoff and a good history so you can still likely move him.

 

[ULF_55]

It might just be me but I'm not actually seeing the article when I click on it.

I assume Vilke Husso is mentioned because that is a picture of Ville Husso but I don't know because I can't actually see the article

I just did a google search for Chris Johnston and the article was there.

 

[ULF_55]

He had a pretty bad season last year, he repeats that again and it's gonna be hard to move him.

One thing that helps is he had a good playoff and a good history so you can still likely move him.

I don't think there'd be a problem moving a capable defender, however the return might not be great, but doesn't it really matter why you are moving him?

Lightning dumped their guy for cap space, and that's an asset.

Muzzin's only $6mm in cash over the next 2 years.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I don't think there'd be a problem moving a capable defender, however the return might not be great, but doesn't it really matter why you are moving him?

Lightning dumped their guy for cap space, and that's an asset.

Muzzin's only $6mm in cash over the next 2 years.

It depends on what you think you're getting moving forward. I believe Muzzin is in decline and becoming more injury prone. I'd rather get Sandin going too since he figures to have longer to play in the league vs Muzzin who may be out of the league in 2-3 years entirely.

Some people think the injury was a blip on the radar.