Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[CupcakeSprinkles]

If we could somehow take Murray @100% but get back Batherson would people make that deal?

Around 11ishM in, send Kerfoot+ holl put its 5.5M net add.

We'd run Myrray + Woll at G but would get batherson and his crazy good deal.

They won't trade Murray at 100% obviously and batherson is too good to be dumped alongside a cap dump but it's a deal which gives us a complete top 6 for next year

No chance.

So the sweetners at 25% retained are looking to be:

1 of the below:

Zub
Brown
Pinto
Formenton
2023 2nd + a 4th/5th

At 50% retained the value drops for the sweetener we back in return

I think Murray + Formenton + 50% retained for Sandin

 

[TMLeafer]

Campbell is a risk, so we pivot to another risk that (IMO) has a bigger chance to fail in Murray? Is it really just about the the term then - 2 years left on Murray vs. 5-8 on a new Campbell deal?

 

[Fogelhund]

In what world would make you think they are rebuilding with the coaches and players they have or intend to keep?

The world where you read more than one post in this thread, to understand your own question.

 

[ER89]

No chance.


I think Murray + Formenton + 50% retained for Sandin

that would be f***ing ridiculous and an insta fire worthy trade for dubas.

 

[LeafEgo]

They can't even buy him out. They don't have any leverage at all. They either trade him or keep him.

If simply keeping him is a palatable option then that gives them leverage in a potential trade.

Obvious why they want to move him, but not sure why they are so keen on looking desperate.

 

[Dangles McGavin]

It's my birthday tomorrow and all im thinking baout is the 13th lmao...i want trades..

Happy birthday LR!

 

[Morgs]

This Ottawa fan summed up why I'd be pretty happy with Murray.



Of the 59 goalies that faced at least 800 unblocked shot attempts:

GSAx - 20th (between Stolarz & Varly)
GSAA - 30th (between Kahkonen & Fleury)
dFSv - 16th (between Saros & Stolarz)

Essentially the guy proved to be a #1 starter last season, and without being injured might have been a top-half one if he continued the season the way he did. Not to mention the guy got shelled the last two games of his season which crushed his stats.

I'm worried about health, and whether he can actually be healthy enough the next two years to play a significant amount of games, but it appears like he figured out something last year which got him back on track to his good years in Pittsburgh.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

Would be surprised if the deal for Murray is anything other than 50% retained or 25% + a 3rd team retains an amount that brings in Murray's AAV at 3M.

Then they grab another goalie (Comrie?) in UFA, and run a tandem. If neither works, they grab someone at the deadline. The leafs spent the majority of last season getting brutal goaltending (everything after November) - and wound up with 115 points. I prefer shorter term, younger options than blowing the bank on AAV and term on one guy (Campbell, Kuemper) - particularly when those two haven't shown the ability to stay healthy either.

 

[kb]

If simply keeping him is a palatable option then that gives them leverage in a potential trade.

Obvious why they want to move him, but not sure why they are so keen on looking desperate.

Saving every penny is important. They would have to keep him because they can't buy out someone on IR.

 

[Warden of the North]

This Ottawa fan summed up why I'd be pretty happy with Murray.



Of the 59 goalies that faced at least 800 unblocked shot attempts:

GSAx - 20th (between Stolarz & Varly)
GSAA - 30th (between Kahkonen & Fleury)
dFSv - 16th (between Saros & Stolarz)

Essentially the guy proved to be a #1 starter last season, and without being injured might have been a top-half one if he continued the season the way he did. Not to mention the guy got shelled the last two games of his season which crushed his stats.

I'm worried about health, and whether he can actually be healthy enough the next two years to play a significant amount of games, but it appears like he figured out something last year which got him back on track to his good years in Pittsburgh.

The issue is a team with Stanley Cup aspirations putting it's trust in a guy with massive injury history backed up by a rookie.

 

[SprDaVE]

If simply keeping him is a palatable option then that gives them leverage in a potential trade.

Obvious why they want to move him, but not sure why they are so keen on looking desperate.

If it wasn't for Murrays NTC, he would have been traded to Buffalo for the 7th in exchange for the 16th pick (25% retention). Murray apparently will only really accept a deal to Toronto or Edmonton, with Toronto the only team with interest.

Seems like they are pretty set on dumping his contract. He's owed 15M over the next 2 seasons. The relationship appears completely over too with him being waived and what not. Ottawa is a team that values real dollars over the cap hit a lot.

 

[Sypher04]

Would be surprised if the deal for Murray is anything other than 50% retained or 25% + a 3rd team retains an amount that brings in Murray's AAV at 3M.

Then they grab another goalie (Comrie?) in UFA, and run a tandem. If neither works, they grab someone at the deadline. The leafs spent the majority of last season getting brutal goaltending (everything after November) - and wound up with 115 points. I prefer shorter term, younger options than blowing the bank on AAV and term on one guy (Campbell, Kuemper) - particularly when those two haven't shown the ability to stay healthy either.

Imo good with going this route, but the second goalie in the tandem has to be more established than Comrie imo.

 

[kb]

Would be surprised if the deal for Murray is anything other than 50% retained or 25% + a 3rd team retains an amount that brings in Murray's AAV at 3M.

Then they grab another goalie (Comrie?) in UFA, and run a tandem. If neither works, they grab someone at the deadline. The leafs spent the majority of last season getting brutal goaltending (everything after November) - and wound up with 115 points. I prefer shorter term, younger options than blowing the bank on AAV and term on one guy (Campbell, Kuemper) - particularly when those two haven't shown the ability to stay healthy either.

Ottawa is saving $5 million over the next 2 seasons by trading with full retention. So the Leafs are negotiating the return for saving the Sens $5 million in actual money.

The issue is a team with Stanley Cup aspirations putting it's trust in a guy with massive injury history backed up by a rookie.

Why are people convinced that if Murray is acquired, that he's meant to be the sole solution in net?

 

[Morgs]

The issue is a team with Stanley Cup aspirations putting it's trust in a guy with massive injury history backed up by a rookie.

Who says they won't grab another guy? They need to fill two spots on the roster. I like Murray for one of them if he comes with massive retention AND asset(s).

 

[aingefan]

I would trade Kerfoot elsewhere for picks.

Otherwise we tank his value by sending it for Murray and his negative asset value.

Again, I’m not 100% sure on the value, but Murray @75% was worth 9 draft slots.
There’s a break even point for the Sens too.

Can almost guarantee that Ottawa isn't on Kerfoot's list of acceptable trade destinations.

a) because Ottawa is always on players' NTC lists
b) because he's not moving to a situation where he'd end up with 3rd, or maybe even 4th line, minutes in a contract year. Ottawa has no room for him at W or C.

Fair points, maybe with a third team involved?

 

[LeafEgo]

Saving every penny is important. They would have to keep him because they can't buy out someone on IR.

True. They would have budgeted him in when signing the contract so I see it more about wanting to use those dollars to be more competitive. Perhaps there is a revenue projection component to consider but strictly from a team building perspective holding on to him doesn't seam like the end of the world.

Moving him makes sense, just don't get the transparent desperation.

 

[Sypher04]

The issue is a team with Stanley Cup aspirations putting it's trust in a guy with massive injury history backed up by a rookie.

Who says he’d be backed up by a rookie or that he would even be the #1?

 

[kb]

Again, I’m not 100% sure on the value, but Murray @75% was worth 9 draft slots.
There’s a break even point for the Sens too.

Definitely. Having said that, the Leafs would be saving the Sens $5 million in actual dollars even with full retention by the Sens.

So there's a ton of room to negotiate on that cost savings for the Sens.

 

[Cor]

The issue is a team with Stanley Cup aspirations putting it's trust in a guy with massive injury history backed up by a rookie.

I am pretty certain we’ll be getting two goalies

 

[Fogelhund]

I am pretty certain we’ll be getting two goalies

Odds are good the other one is Blackwood.

 

[ToneDog]

It's my birthday tomorrow and all im thinking baout is the 13th lmao...i want trades..

Dubie gonna give you a Matt Murray for your birthday. Like I said, be careful what you ask for. HB.

 

[stickty111]

Odds are good the other one is Blackwood.

Don't remember what reporter but they said Devils are going into the season with Vanacek and Blackwood as their goalies

I am pretty certain we’ll be getting two goalies

If we are going tandem and looks like we are, Reimer is as good as they come.

 

[TMLeafer]

I don't even know what the price would be. Do the Leafs pay a premium for Ottawa/3rd team to retain or is it cheaper because Ottawa saves hard cash and the NTC is limiting the options.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Wish they'd just make the trade already.

 

[notdoneyet]

Don't remember what reporter but they said Devils are going into the season with Vanacek and Blackwood as their goalies


If we are going tandem and looks like we are, Reimer is as good as they come.

Reimer wont come back here. The stupid fans insulted his wife and practically ran him out if town

Cant see him or his family ever coming back