Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[stickty111]

Another bottom 6 option

 

[Sypher04]

I hear you. But I think that was long time ago. I just don't think it makes sense to assemble the best leafs team ever and then pair that with a goalie that is bottom 15 in the league. And I'd agree IF they add assets but the issue is I don't think guys like brown or just formenton is nearly enough to take on a guy with that much risk.

For what it’s worth, at the end of February last year Murray had a better save percentage than Campbell did on an Ottawa team that was an absolute train wreck defensively. Half the games but still .920 through like 18 games. The last game of the season against Arizona ranked his save percentage from .915

 

[Fogelhund]

I don't think Murray has the health to backstop a team with playoff aspirations.

Pens won 2 Cups with Murray but that was a long time ago now and lots of injuries in-between.

Murray only played in 20 games last year the same as Mrazek and goalies that can't stay healthy are not reliable.

Murray has been on IR Seven times since he was acquired by Ottawa... he's had repeated Concussions, as was the latest. That's pretty problematic.

 

[SprDaVE]

It seems really insane that Murray isn't healthy enough to be bought out. That asset(s) back with Murray really need to be worth the risk of taking him on.

The big thing with Campbell was his inability to stay healthy (and consistency). Mrazek couldn't stay healthy. Murray being acquired is fine if the assets attached to him are good to great, but another goaltender that goes on the IR after a bump is really what put us back last season.

Dubas needs another goaltender to pair him with that can carry a load and stay healthy.

 

[Sebastien]

I would do any of the following with a big splash

Hellyebuck
Markstrom
Lehner (ONLY if you bring Allen(or similar) to back him up since he's injury prone)

Jets aren't trading helly. Calgary is under no circumstances trading markstrom. Vegas isn't trading leaner. None of them are realistic

 

[Warden of the North]

Friedman implies on the new 32 Thoughts podcast it's pretty much done barring the Leafs are satisfied with his medical reports

 

[Fogelhund]

Jets aren't trading helly. Calgary is under no circumstances trading markstrom. Vegas isn't trading leaner. None of them are realistic

Both Jets and Calgary could be undergoing rebuilds of some sort... Keeping your 32 year old, and 29 year old goalie, who could return decent assets, at the start of a rebuild, doesn't make sense. Both Jets and Calgary have had rumours of players wanting out, and if these players are moved, you'd have to think they would rebuild. If they rebuild, it's not unrealistic. If they don't, it is.

 

[Clark4Ever]

I don't mind squeezing assets out of Ottawa for Murray at a retained salary provided he is the backup/1B option. His recent injury history is a major concern though.

We still absolutely need another established starter.

 

[Coachcorner]

Murray/Blackwood would be a nice duo

Blackwood is now able and allowed to play in all hockey arenas too.

Murray should only be an option after and if we don't sign Campbell hard.

 

[Apex Predator]

Friedman implies on the new 32 Thoughts podcast it's pretty much done barring the Leafs are satisfied with his medical reports

Let’s hurry up with this!! Rip the bandaid off and let’s see what else we got with Murray.

 

[Zero1]

I would be okay with something like Murray 50% retained + Brown 50% retained and Ottawa pays a 3rd team to retain Murray another 50%.

Murray @ $1.56 mill
Brown @ $1.8 mill

Leafs can get a tandem partner for Murray in free agency like Comrie @ $2 mill and still have money to add a legit top-6 forward @ $5 mill.

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Nichushkin-Tavares-Brown
Engvall-Kerfoot-Nylander
x-Kampf-x

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Liljegren
Sandin-Gio

Murray
Comrie

 

[A1LeafNation]

Everyone's so focused on the goalies, I wouldn't care if we went cheap on them, as long as it gets us this top 6:

Bunting Matthews Marner
Kane Tavares Nylander

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I'm not sure how much more we can squeeze Ottawa for assets other than the 50% retention. Maybe some mid-round picks.

 

[Chief Berube]

Jets aren't trading helly. Calgary is under no circumstances trading markstrom. Vegas isn't trading leaner. None of them are realistic

- Jets are potentially entering a rebuild.. rumours suggest a few of their top guys want out. Things could fall quickly.
- Calgary could lose both Gaudreau and Tkachuck.. that would easily close their window
- Lehner does not want to be a knight, it's been pretty clear.

All of these could happen. Not likely but they are not unrealistic

 

[CelticDruid]

Can't disagree about the injuries. But maybe our top notch medical staff and training can help him get back to where he was.

Murray has had some serious concussions and his next one could end his career.

 

[Chief Berube]

Everyone's so focused on the goalies, I wouldn't care if we went cheap on them, as long as it gets us this top 6:

Bunting Matthews Marner
Kane Tavares Nylander

With no one in net, we will outscore our problems until we can't.

 

[Stephen]

It seems really insane that Murray isn't healthy enough to be bought out. That asset(s) back with Murray really need to be worth the risk of taking him on.

The big thing with Campbell was his inability to stay healthy (and consistency). Mrazek couldn't stay healthy. Murray being acquired is fine if the assets attached to him are good to great, but another goaltender that goes on the IR after a bump is really what put us back last season.

Dubas needs another goaltender to pair him with that can carry a load and stay healthy.

I agree. Feels like the other guy should be the solid starter choice and Murray kind of as the PTO home run option on a league minimum. Depending on what happens with Mystery Box, if we get Murray and he’s as up and down and injury prone as he has been, this could set up for an incredible come up story for Kallgren or Woll. Or a full on regime change. Why are the Leafs making such long bets like this?

 

[kb]

I'm not sure how much more we can squeeze Ottawa for assets other than the 50% retention. Maybe some mid-round picks.

If Ottawa buys him out, they have him on the books for the next 4 years, with the last 2 both being at $2.5 million.

Trading with 50% retention still saves them $2.5 million dollars, and the Leafs know this. So the Leafs are bargaining hard on that $2.5 million to extract as much as possible. Otherwise they will just wait until Ottawa buys him out, then they get him for cheap.

 

[Fogelhund]

- Jets are potentially entering a rebuild.. rumours suggest a few of their top guys want out. Things could fall quickly.
- Calgary could lose both Gaudreau and Tkachuck.. that would easily close their window
- Lehner does not want to be a knight, it's been pretty clear.

All of these could happen. Not likely but they are not unrealistic

Of course the challenge on WAITING for a Markstrom/Hellebuyck type situation, is neither team have started selling off their pieces... how long can we afford to wait for this to happen? I mean imagine the other goalies are scooped up while we are waiting, then they don't become available?

If we did pick up a Murray for example, and then these guys become available, I'd hope we'd attempt to make moves anyway to improve the team, even if it cost us assets to get rid of the inferior solution.

I agree. Feels like the other guy should be the solid starter choice and Murray kind of as the PTO home run option on a league minimum. Depending on what happens with Mystery Box, if we get Murray and he’s as up and down and injury prone as he has been, this could set up for an incredible come up story for Kallgren or Woll. Or a full on regime change. Why are the Leafs making such long bets like this?

A lack of other viable options.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

Friedman implies on the new 32 Thoughts podcast it's pretty much done barring the Leafs are satisfied with his medical reports

interested to see what the return/retention is. Do u have a link to it?

 

[SprDaVE]

If Ottawa buys him out, they have him on the books for the next 4 years, with the last 2 both being at $2.5 million.

Trading with 50% retention still saves them $2.5 million dollars, and the Leafs know this. So the Leafs are bargaining hard on that $2.5 million to extract as much as possible. Otherwise they will just wait until Ottawa buys him out, then they get him for cheap.

They can't even buy him out. They don't have any leverage at all. They either trade him or keep him.

 

[Cor]

I think we might be getting Zub.

That would be sick.

 

[SprDaVE]

 

[kb]

They can't even buy him out. They don't have any leverage at all. They either trade him or keep him.

Hmmm.....so they in essence are now negotiating against a possible $5 million savings because the Sens couldn't buy him out until next season?

Oh boy, does that ever make the sweetener required even so much bigger!

 

[Warden of the North]

I'm scared.

The plus coming with him better be damn good and we better be getting another goalie somewhere too