Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[ErnieLeafs]

Murray is not a good enough goalie to backstop a team with aspirations like our’s. This can’t be the answer in net

 

[2 Slick]

So the solution to the Leafs goaltending issues is to ditch an injury riddled trash goaltender in Mrazek and give up draft spots to try and acquire another injury riddled goaltender who has been garbage for several years now? That's their solution?

Yeah, no thanks.

 

[kb]

I don't disagree which is why i find it crazy that we're going after a guy who has even more questions than jack. Like dubas shat the bed here and I generally like him. We're now backed into a corner with no fking goalie.

I missed the part where the Leafs have missed out on a goalie upgrade so far. Could you tell me which goalies are better that have signed with other teams?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Friedman is saying he'll be shocked if Jack isn't an Oiler.

Serious question: How was this not tampering?

It is tampering, especially with dollar figures and terms being thrown around. Campbell should not know that Edmonton is offering 5x5 before the free agency period opens

 

[Rob Brown]

Murray is not a good enough goalie to backstop a team with aspirations like our’s. This can’t be the answer in net

Nothing has happened so really no point worrying about it until the dust has settled. For all we know they have something else in the works and Murray is a potential backup/1B.

 

[Morgs]

I'm sorry but this whole murray thing to be our goalie is so f***ing dumb. Like these guys would have to give us norris for it to make some sense. Like formenton et al are NOT worth it to have a goalie like matt murray backstop this team. He's worse than jack and freddy. And obiously the sens wouldn't give us josh norris. THis makes absolutely no sense.

Tbh Murray has two cups, has proven numerous times he's a starting capable goalie, and had very good underlying numbers (his surface SV% is due to how bad Ottawa was defensively). The only thing I'm nervous about is his injuries.

Based on what is rumoured available to the team, he's really not a bad choice, especially if Ottawa is willing to retain a lot AND add assets. I'm not personally willing to gouge the pool for Gibson, and although Helley might be worth it, the accusation cost is probably ridiculous.

 

[The Podium]

Ya, I’m actually a bit comfortable with Murray as a bounce back option. Especially with a sweetener. But he has to have tandem support.

Murray - Kallgren/Woll duo is no where near good enough.

My guess is the Leafs are relaying some of those assets for Talbot.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Reading an article by Anthony Petrielli, and he notes that the Leafs have gone two years in a row without drafting a defenseman. Didn't notice that myself

 

[ER89]

Tbh Murray has two cups, has proven numerous times he's a starting capable goalie, and had very good underlying numbers (his surface SV% is due to how bad Ottawa was defensively). The only thing I'm nervous about is his injuries.

Based on what is rumoured available to the team, he's really not a bad choice, especially if Ottawa is willing to retain a lot AND add assets. I'm not personally willing to gouge the pool for Gibson, and although Helley might be worth it, the accusation cost is probably ridiculous.

I hear you. But I think that was long time ago. I just don't think it makes sense to assemble the best leafs team ever and then pair that with a goalie that is bottom 15 in the league. And I'd agree IF they add assets but the issue is I don't think guys like brown or just formenton is nearly enough to take on a guy with that much risk.

 

[SprDaVE]

Ya, I’m actually a bit comfortable with Murray as a bounce back option. Especially with a sweetener. But he has to have tandem support.

Murray - Kallgren/Woll duo is no where near good enough.

My guess is the Leafs are relaying some of those assets for Talbot.

Both Kallgren and Woll are waiver exempt. There is little doubt in my mind they'll get another goaltender even if/when Murray is acquired.

I'd want Reimer as a stop gap back-up if we're looking at trade options. In free agency, Holtby would be someone I'd like but if he retires, I'd probably look at Comrie, Lindgren or Halak as cheaper options but they are a little more risky.

 

[Chief Berube]

Tbh Murray has two cups, has proven numerous times he's a starting capable goalie, and had very good underlying numbers (his surface SV% is due to how bad Ottawa was defensively). The only thing I'm nervous about is his injuries.

Based on what is rumoured available to the team, he's really not a bad choice, especially if Ottawa is willing to retain a lot AND add assets. I'm not personally willing to gouge the pool for Gibson, and although Helley might be worth it, the accusation cost is probably ridiculous.

Unless you are doing this

Toronto-
Hellyebuck (50% retained)

Winnipeg-
Sandin
2023 1st


Hellye is a #1 who will not disappoint. He can take you all the way. Sandin cannot and that late 1st likely will not. I take Helle every day of the week. We have good D in the cupboard. The time is not to take a big risk. you have to do something big like Masai did. This could be it

 

[Fogelhund]

Someone had posted on Twitter... surely there are goalies, currently not playing in the NHL, who are good enough to play in the NHL. So, I looked through the current KHL goalies, and in particular the non-Russians.. as many seem not willing to go back to the KHL, with the war going on.


Here is a list of goalies whom I think we could take a look at from the KHL

.................


ya.. they all suck. Harri Satteri is a top 10 goalie, by SV % in the KHL last year. He played six games for the Coyotes last year, and had a save percentage of 0.866 with them. Most of the goalies are small by NHL standards, and it seems most have tried NA, but didn't stick.

This would be the best option.... Lars Johansson - QuantHockey (and I don't think it's a great one)

Unless you are doing this

Toronto-
Hellyebuck (50% retained)

Winnipeg-
Sandin
2023 1st


Hellye is a #1 who will not disappoint. He can take you all the way. Sandin cannot and that late 1st likely will not. I take Helle every day of the week. We have good D in the cupboard. The time is not to take a big risk. you have to do something big like Masai did. This could be it

Something like that, or Markstrom (even better), if Gaudreau bolts, and Tkachuk wants out...

 

[Brobust]

Friedman is saying he'll be shocked if Jack isn't an Oiler.

Serious question: How was this not tampering?

I wouldn't get too mad.

Jack's going to get destroyed playing behind Edmonton's defence.

 

[mapleleafs34]

Murray/Blackwood would be a nice duo

 

[daethfromabove1979]

Murray is not a good enough goalie to backstop a team with aspirations like our’s. This can’t be the answer in net

I would be OK with Murray if we had another goalie to share the load equally, but we don't. For example, this appears to be Colorado's plan, have Georgiev and Francouz share the load and pay them low salaries.

I expect this was the plan with Mrazek, move on from Campbell in 2022-23 and have Mrazek share the load with another decent goalie for a couple years. Unfortunately it did not work out at all.

 

[aingefan]

Reading an article by Anthony Petrielli, and he notes that the Leafs have gone two years in a row without drafting a defenseman. Didn't notice that myself

I didn’t notice either, other than it’s thinner back there on the depth chart.
ELC forwards in droves though, so that’ll help.

 

[Mess]

Murray is not a good enough goalie to backstop a team with aspirations like our’s. This can’t be the answer in net

I don't think Murray has the health to backstop a team with playoff aspirations.

Pens won 2 Cups with Murray but that was a long time ago now and lots of injuries in-between.

Murray only played in 20 games last year the same as Mrazek and goalies that can't stay healthy are not reliable.

 

[Fogelhund]

I would be OK with Murray if we had another goalie to share the load equally, but we don't (YET). For example, this appears to be Colorado's plan, have Georgiev and Francouz share the load and pay them low salaries.

I expect this was the plan with Mrazek, move on from Campbell in 2022-23 and have Mrazek share the load with another decent goalie for a couple years. Unfortunately it did not work out at all.

Patience, there will be another goalie.

 

[Apex Predator]

What happened to Matt Murray? Who use to look like a promising goalie with the pens.

 

[Morgs]

Unless you are doing this

Toronto-
Hellyebuck (50% retained)

Winnipeg-
Sandin
2023 1st


Hellye is a #1 who will not disappoint. He can take you all the way. Sandin cannot and that late 1st likely will not. I take Helle every day of the week. We have good D in the cupboard. The time is not to take a big risk. you have to do something big like Masai did. This could be it

My big issue with Helley is that he's *never* played for a team with good team defense. The Leafs last year made it incredibly easy for their goaltenders and they still managed to shit the bed. Jack was unbelievable in 2020-21 when they were still a middling defensive team, and this year he couldn't save a beach ball when we were a borderline top-5 defensive team by both quality and quantity of chances. When the Leafs went from a bad defensive team under Babcock to a middling defensive team under Keefe, Andersen no longer could make a save. Likely due to the quantity he was facing kept him focused in games. Maybe it was just the injuries. Helley has been a goalie that has succeeded while getting the shit kicked out of him for years. Whose to say his focus or ability will translate on a team that limits HD chances and overall quantity the way the Leafs do, especially compared to the Jets?

I like Helley a lot, but goalies are a position I straight up don't get spending real assets for. He could just as easily flop as Murray could become a top-5 goalie. Just look at the last 20 years, there's been like 3 teams that have won the cup without a goalie they drafted. Goalies are voodoo, one hot streak by Korpisalo in the playoffs against us and he's still a NHL goalie despite being one of the worst goalies in the league since he started his career.

What happened to Matt Murray? Who use to look like a promising goalie with the pens.

Injuries. He bounced back with the Sens last year and got injured again.

 

[mapleleafs34]

I don't think Murray has the health to backstop a team with playoff aspirations.

Pens won 2 Cups with Murray but that was a long time ago now and lots of injuries in-between.

Murray only played in 20 games last year the same as Mrazek and goalies that can't stay healthy are not reliable.

Can't disagree about the injuries. But maybe our top notch medical staff and training can help him get back to where he was.

 

[Chief Berube]

Someone had posted on Twitter... surely there are goalies, currently not playing in the NHL, who are good enough to play in the NHL. So, I looked through the current KHL goalies, and in particular the non-Russians.. as many seem not willing to go back to the KHL, with the war going on.


Here is a list of goalies whom I think we could take a look at from the KHL

.................


ya.. they all suck. Harri Satteri is a top 10 goalie, by SV % in the KHL last year. He played six games for the Coyotes last year, and had a save percentage of 0.866 with them. Most of the goalies are small by NHL standards, and it seems most have tried NA, but didn't stick.

This would be the best option.... Lars Johansson - QuantHockey (and I don't think it's a great one)



Something like that, or Markstrom (even better), if Gaudreau bolts, and Tkachuk wants out...

I would do any of the following with a big splash

Hellyebuck
Markstrom
Lehner (ONLY if you bring Allen(or similar) to back him up since he's injury prone)

 

[ToneDog]

I'm not an expert on the case or anything, but it sounds like the accuser did not want to name the players to the investigators Hockey Canada hired. So it would be pretty hard for them to punish them as they claim to not know the identity of the 8 people involved. Its possible other players might've given them names, only they and the investigators know.

Interesting. Opens to door for false accusations IMO. In this case they clearly believed her and settled. Not sure if that will be the case for subsequent allegations.

Murray is not a good enough goalie to backstop a team with aspirations like our’s. This can’t be the answer in net

At the rumored aav there is room for a second cheap goalie.

 

[Cor]

Friedman also says he’s spoken to people, some who know Murray and some who don’t, and there is a common sentiment that Matt Murray has adjusted parts of his game where he can get back to being a quality goalie and there was some of that last year. (His first 18 games he had a .920 sv%)

Friedman says the people he’s spoken to think the risk isn’t Matt Murray’s quality of play, but rather the ability of him to stay healthy

 

[SprDaVE]

What happened to Matt Murray? Who use to look like a promising goalie with the pens.

Injuries and the usual voodoo-ness of goaltenders. Colorado just traded for and signed Georgiev for 3.4M, he has had a declining save percentage 3 straight years. Rangers weren't a great team for a bit but they were solid last year and he was not good at all.

Murray started the year great with the Sens but it obviously derailed because of injuries and the Sens being awful. He ended up with a better season that Mrazek though funny enough. If Murray didn't have an insanely expensive contract, he'd probably have a lot more interest.

I think the closer you look at Murray and the landscape of things, the better it starts to look. I think I get what the Leafs see in Murray but there's clearly a pretty big risk. They need to hit a home run on whoever they pair Murray with.