Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

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Rumors that the Leafs were after Varlomov but Lou wanted to keep him for year and decide on Varlomov in the summer.
I'd rather just fire Briere and bring back Piero Greco in some elevated role. We never should have let him go when he was the Marlies goaltending coach.

Mitch Korn get's a lot of the credit in NY but if you look at Greco's year by year SV% it's ridiculous how he has consistently had goaltenders near the top of the league in SV% going back to his start in junior. I think in a 20 year career he had 2 or 3 years near league average, 17 or 18 years top 1-10 and no years below league average.
 
Instead of making personal attacks on everybody, why don't you use your brain to address it.

Forsberg+Copp+Paul+Anderson > Tavares+Kerfoot+Mikheyev+Engvall.

The only thing that's outlandish is Tavares has a NMC which we have to get him to waive (which is a little NHL 22 to suggest) but once we bail out in the playoffs again nothing is off the table for me. We can't win with paying 4 forwards half the cap. Tavares HAS to go. I'm asking him to waive.
Ask all you want. He has zero incentive to waive.
 
Trading a 2nd for McBain was no guarantee he'd sign. He was about to be a free agent and was able to dictate his location. The Wild did very well recouping an asset given the situation.
The trade was conditional on McBain signing. He was guaranteed to sign.


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Instead of making personal attacks on everybody, why don't you use your brain to address it.

Forsberg+Copp+Paul+Anderson > Tavares+Kerfoot+Mikheyev+Engvall.

The only thing that's outlandish is Tavares has a NMC which we have to get him to waive (which is a little NHL 22 to suggest) but once we bail out in the playoffs again nothing is off the table for me. We can't win with paying 4 forwards half the cap. Tavares HAS to go. I'm asking him to waive.
He won’t waive. There is a reason he signed here AND requested a NMC. Suggesting such, is a fundamental lack of understanding of the situation, and there is no chance that the team asks him to waive.
 
People are getting ahead of themselves a little bit, but John Tavares wouldn’t be the one traded, rightly or wrongly, Dubas or another GM. It would almost certainly be Nylander or Marner.

Tavares has a NMC. He came here for family reasons. Has a young child. He’s a guy that an organization like MLSE loves to have represent them.
 
He won’t waive. There is a reason he signed here AND requested a NMC. Suggesting such, is a fundamental lack of understanding of the situation, and there is no chance that the team asks him to waive.
So it's not just me. I mean.....wow.
 
If we don't make it past first round I see our lineup looking like this next year

Bunting Matthews Marner
Knies Tavares ___?__
Engvall Kampf Kase? Or Blackwell
Anderson Douglas Blackwell
Steeves

Rielly _____
Giordano Brodie
Muzzin Sandin
Lybushkin

___?____
Campbell

Top RHD obtained through Nylander trade
A decent top 6 forward in Lilly trade
 
If we don't make it past first round I see our lineup looking like this next year

Bunting Matthews Marner
Knies Tavares ___?__
Engvall Kampf Kase? Or Blackwell
Anderson Douglas Blackwell
Steeves

Rielly _____
Giordano Brodie
Muzzin Sandin
Lybushkin

___?____
Campbell

Top RHD obtained through Nylander trade
A decent top 6 forward in Lilly trade
Or you just keep Liljegren and Nylander instead of likely downgrading in both spots.
 
If we don't make it past first round I see our lineup looking like this next year

Bunting Matthews Marner
Knies Tavares ___?__
Engvall Kampf Kase? Or Blackwell
Anderson Douglas Blackwell
Steeves

Rielly _____
Giordano Brodie
Muzzin Sandin
Lybushkin

___?____
Campbell

Top RHD obtained through Nylander trade
A decent top 6 forward in Lilly trade
Or you just keep Liljegren and Nylander instead of likely downgrading in both spots.
Yeah might as well keep the exact same lineup and lose again and again
 
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Campbell


Yeah might as well keep the exact same lineup and lose again and again

Interesting statement, given you've chosen to resign Campbell, who objectively, is the biggest problem currently.

Shuffling deck chairs, just for the sake of change, doesn't achieve much. Nylander was our best forward in the playoffs last year, and you moved him. Liljegren is an emerging D, and you want to move him... but Why? With the trades, and your assumption (mine too), that we resign those D, the D core is near the tops of the league as is.
 
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IMO, the most likely scenario, should Toronto not would not make it beyond the first round, would be the following...

1). Trade William Nylander for a top pairing defenseman making similar money and actually ice a legitimate top pair.

2). Trade Jake Muzzin to free up cap space and return assets that can be used to acquire forwards.

3). Trade Peter Mrazek (even if it costs you assets to do so) and acquire a new goaltender.

4). Trade Justin Holl and free up that cap space. Allow Timothy Liljegren to fill that spot on a permanent basis.

5). Trade Alex Kerfoot, freeing up that cap space, in an attempt to find linemates that better work with Tavares.

6). Get Sandin, Liljegren and Robertson into the lineup on a full time basis.

7). Kessel's retention finally comes off the books. Combined with the projected $1 million in salary cap increase, that basically takes care of Reilly's raise.

8). Re-sign Campbell if he comes back to life down the stretch here, giving him a moderate but reasonable raise. If he doesn't, punt him and don't look back.

9). Re-sign Giordano on a Spezza style retirement contract and, hopefully, get two years out of a top 4 defenseman, for dirt cheap.

2022-2023 Leafs

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Addition-Tavares-Addition
Mikheyev-Kampf-Engvall
Robertson-Addition-Addition

Reilly-Addition
Giordano-Brodie
Sandin-Liljegren

Addition
Campbell

Re-tool and move on. You can't keep trying the same thing, over and over, and reasonably expect a different result.
 
Leafs have a lot of work to do this offseason.

Goaltending:
Almost not even worth talking about until the season is done. This is Campbell's first and likely only opportunity to cash in long term for big money, especially if he comes back and plays well. He was an all star this year. I see a very low chance of him returning no matter what happens.

Mrazek is also still such a wild card. Post-waivers and deadline, he now has a fresh start to find his game. He was signed to be a 1A/1B goalie with Campbell and hedge against his inevitable departure. If he continues to disappoint, maybe the Sabres make a move for him as they have no signed goaltenders for next season. But that leaves the leaves with nothing in net. I can't even guess as to what will become of the Leafs goaltending after this year.

Forwards:
I don't think the Leafs can afford to qualify Engvall or Kase because of their arbitration rights, and if they don't make a big splash in the playoffs, perhaps they move on and look for more workhorse/gritty bottom 6 players. This one is going to shock people who think RFAs are freely kept, but no, we saw this with Ritchie, Kampf and Kase already. Not worth getting stuck with a 2 mil+ contract.

Mikheyev similarly is done here I think. He should be able to command 2-3 million and a promise at a top-6 role with other teams.

Kerfoot has a year left, but moving his money to spend more wisely seems like it has a lot of merit, unless he has a good showing in the playoffs and proves he can still contribute on a line with JT/Willy.

Nylander.. well, who knows? If the Leafs don't do well, moving Nylander and Kerfoots combined 10.5 million and turning it into two fundamentally different top-6 wingers to play with Tavares might have merit.

Matthews, Marner. Untouchable at this point. Marner is unmovable by virtue of his contract regardless of his play. Bunting will obviously stay.

Kampf, no reason to move him. He's great in his role, gives the Leafs options to upgrade 3C or stay with him there.

Blackwell, can't really comment on him but he's the type of player you want in your bottom-6, and the Leafs targetted him before. I predict they give him Engvall/Kase contract, re-sign him and play him with Kampf next year in the checking line.

Spezza/Simmonds/Clifford, enough with this experiment, I think the Leafs need energy guys. Simmonds potentially sticks around with his extra year in a strictly enforcer role.

Bunting/Matthews/Marner
Kerfoot/Tavares/Nylander
Blackwell/Kampf/----
----/----/----

Remaking this bottom 6 is the focus of next season with the potential of peddling Kerfoot/Nylander for a different set of wingers if that 2nd line has truly lost the plot.

Defense:

Rielly, Brodie, Muzzin, Holl not going anywhere. Unless they can convince Muzzin to waive his NTC. But then what? Do you pay an asset to move him if he isn't pulling value? Better to just assume this arrangement will stick.

Giordano needs to ask himself if he's willing to play for much, MUCH less. But I wouldn't hold out on this.

Sandin and Liljgren are both RFAs that need to be signed, I don't think they're going to come in under a million.

Lyubushkin also needs a new contract, and I think the Leafs will want to keep him. Will he cost more than the Holl contract? 6 out of a potential 8 roster spots are accounted for, and if the Leafs cut it close to the cap next year and have to run 21 players, maybe they just won't be able to keep this guy.
 
Leafs have a lot of work to do this offseason.

Goaltending:
Almost not even worth talking about until the season is done. This is Campbell's first and likely only opportunity to cash in long term for big money, especially if he comes back and plays well. He was an all star this year. I see a very low chance of him returning no matter what happens.

Mrazek is also still such a wild card. Post-waivers and deadline, he now has a fresh start to find his game. He was signed to be a 1A/1B goalie with Campbell and hedge against his inevitable departure. If he continues to disappoint, maybe the Sabres make a move for him as they have no signed goaltenders for next season. But that leaves the leaves with nothing in net. I can't even guess as to what will become of the Leafs goaltending after this year.

Forwards:
I don't think the Leafs can afford to qualify Engvall or Kase because of their arbitration rights, and if they don't make a big splash in the playoffs, perhaps they move on and look for more workhorse/gritty bottom 6 players. This one is going to shock people who think RFAs are freely kept, but no, we saw this with Ritchie, Kampf and Kase already. Not worth getting stuck with a 2 mil+ contract.

Mikheyev similarly is done here I think. He should be able to command 2-3 million and a promise at a top-6 role with other teams.

Kerfoot has a year left, but moving his money to spend more wisely seems like it has a lot of merit, unless he has a good showing in the playoffs and proves he can still contribute on a line with JT/Willy.

Nylander.. well, who knows? If the Leafs don't do well, moving Nylander and Kerfoots combined 10.5 million and turning it into two fundamentally different top-6 wingers to play with Tavares might have merit.

Matthews, Marner. Untouchable at this point. Marner is unmovable by virtue of his contract regardless of his play. Bunting will obviously stay.

Kampf, no reason to move him. He's great in his role, gives the Leafs options to upgrade 3C or stay with him there.

Blackwell, can't really comment on him but he's the type of player you want in your bottom-6, and the Leafs targetted him before. I predict they give him Engvall/Kase contract, re-sign him and play him with Kampf next year in the checking line.

Spezza/Simmonds/Clifford, enough with this experiment, I think the Leafs need energy guys. Simmonds potentially sticks around with his extra year in a strictly enforcer role.

Bunting/Matthews/Marner
Kerfoot/Tavares/Nylander
Blackwell/Kampf/----
----/----/----

Remaking this bottom 6 is the focus of next season with the potential of peddling Kerfoot/Nylander for a different set of wingers if that 2nd line has truly lost the plot.

Defense:

Rielly, Brodie, Muzzin, Holl not going anywhere. Unless they can convince Muzzin to waive his NTC. But then what? Do you pay an asset to move him if he isn't pulling value? Better to just assume this arrangement will stick.

Giordano needs to ask himself if he's willing to play for much, MUCH less. But I wouldn't hold out on this.

Sandin and Liljgren are both RFAs that need to be signed, I don't think they're going to come in under a million.

Lyubushkin also needs a new contract, and I think the Leafs will want to keep him. Will he cost more than the Holl contract? 6 out of a potential 8 roster spots are accounted for, and if the Leafs cut it close to the cap next year and have to run 21 players, maybe they just won't be able to keep this guy.

The Leafs can afford Engvall and Kase, and will almost certainly keep them.

It is more about fit than anything. Kase suffered from major injuries and would have a 2.5 mill QO. Doesn't really make sense for Boston. Ritchie didn't fit for them, even if he only had a 2 mill offer.

No idea why Chicago dumped Kampf, but their loss and it is not exactly like they are making the best decisions. It is looking like they moved 3 top 15 picks to have the pleasure of overpaying Seth Jones until he is 35 and now they are rebuilding... Again.

Engvall and Kase fit here, and I would be surprised if they even make 2 mill on their next deals. I can see Engvall getting the Kampf 2 x 1.5 mill deal, while Kase may get another one year deal for something like what Mikheyev was getting (since he still is suffering from injuries).
 
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The Leafs can afford Engvall and Kase, and will almost certainly keep them.

It is more about fit than anything. Kase suffered from major injuries and would have a 2.5 mill QO. Doesn't really make sense for Boston. Ritchie didn't fit for them, even if he only had a 2 mill offer.

No idea why Chicago dumped Kampf, but their loss and it is not exactly like they are making the best decisions. It is looking like they moved 3 top 15 picks to have the pleasure of overpaying Seth Jones until he is 35 and now they are rebuilding... Again.

Engvall and Kase fit here, and I would be surprised if they even make 2 mill on their next deals. I can see Engvall getting the Kampf 2 x 1.5 mill deal, while Kase may get another one year deal for something like what Mikheyev was getting (since he still is suffering from injuries).
The threat of a long drawn out arbitration hearing is what many GMs are looking to avoid. The Leafs can't afford not having cost certainty on day 1 of free agency.

That's not to say they can't work a deal out before the season is up, but why would these guys sign for less than 2 mil when they have arb rights? Leaf fans have consistently been wrong on what they think players will re-sign for, this probably won't be different.

Also factor in they get national spotlight as Leaf players and that at least doubles their value as free agents (while also making them valueless in trades because lose deal to glasses man bad for image in boys club)
 
Getting Tavares to waive is a whole different conversation and I know that is unlikely to happen but hypothetically why wouldn't you want to move Tavares, 11 million (0.95 ppg) for Forsberg, 8-9 million in free agency (1.23 ppg). Who wouldn't do that swap? Nylander can play center on the 2nd line. Forsberg is younger and has more physical and offensive upside moving forward.
I prefer Copp over Kerfoot. Plays a bigger game, good defensively. He was really good last year too.
Nick Paul in, Mikheyev out. Mikheyev asked for a trade in the offseason, I doubt he's back. Nick Paul would be a decent add. 6'3,225, on pace for 16 goals. He's an effective 3rd liner at 2.5-3 million.
 
Mackenzie blackwood

Injuries this year has hurt him and sounds alittle but like New Jersey may be questioning the situation long term so may become available
 
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