Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[ULF_55]

Those 2 goals gave Leafs life. Attempted the comeback pulling the goalie.

Teams slump during all points of the game. Even when we win, we don't play our best for all 60 minutes of every game. So only points that occur when teams are playing their best count?

Leafs took foot off gas in period 1 of game 4. Call all those goals back we let in. Game needs to be replayed so only goals worth counting went in.

We know he isn't poaching off his linemate.

But we know the 2nd. line needs to be addressed this year, like the 1st. line was last year.
Last year the 1st. line no-showed.

 

[meefer]

You'd be really crazy not to want Kase back on a 1 year deal around what he made. He was pretty good and far from soft.

It would be very hard to replicate finding someone as good as him.

The only problem I have with Kase is the injury bug. With the Leafs being so tight to the cap if (when) he gets injured you're having to play musical chairs to replace him in the line up with players not suited/capable of being put in his position. He's good when healthy, just not healthy enough of the time.

 

[TMLAM34]

I’d consider something along the lines of Nylander for Boeser and the 15th pick.

Robertson - Tavares - Boeser

 

[Americanadian]

Those 2 goals gave Leafs life. Attempted the comeback pulling the goalie.

Teams slump during all points of the game. Even when we win, we don't play our best for all 60 minutes of every game. So only points that occur when teams are playing their best count?

Leafs took foot off gas in period 1 of game 4. Call all those goals back we let in. Game needs to be replayed so only goals worth counting went in.

The original post was about players scoring when games are tight in the playoffs. The point stands that Nylander only did that once this past post season.

 

[Americanadian]

We know he isn't poaching off his linemate.

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But we know the 2nd. line needs to be addressed this year, like the 1st. line was last year.
Last year the 1st. line no-showed.

I’m not claiming any player on the current leafs is a playoff performer.

 

[Duke16]

Bunting Matthews Marner

Kubalik Tavares Nylander

Vatrano Kampf Kase

Engvall ? ?

Rielly Brodie

Muzzin Sandin

Gio Lilly
Subban

Kuemper
Holtby

that's the roster I'd like to see if might be tough because Kuemper will cost some money and it depends on if Kase can even play

but that's a pretty strong roster and it's not a terribly unrealistic one

I think Vatrano is definitely a nice middle six target that hasn't gotten much talk. I'd like to add him for sure.

 

[Erndog]

Funny I was just coming here to mention Vatrano.

What are we all thinking he's going to cost? Somewhere in the mid 3s?

 

[Torontonian]

I’ll keep saying it, that hole on the 2nd line needs to be filled, and I don’t think reworking the bottom 6 needs to be that hard, Get faster and bigger, we need to be able to plug the holes in the lower end of the roster via ELC/draft picks.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I think Vatrano is definitely a nice middle six target that hasn't gotten much talk. I'd like to add him for sure.

I’ve been my soapbox about him for awhile. He would be a great fit

 

[SprDaVE]

Sounds like a lot of Jet players want to jump ship. Dubois also let them know he's going to test free agency when his deal is up in 2024, which means they'll probably trade him at some point before that.

This is after Sheifele reportedly asked for a trade and Wheeler is also being shopped.

Hellebuyck might not be a name that's farfetched after all to acquire. The price will be high though I assume. There's a report that he'll want to be traded if they go through a rebuild.

 

[ULF_55]

Sounds like a lot of Jet players want to jump ship. Dubois also let them know he's going to test free agency when his deal is up in 2024, which means they'll probably trade him at some point before that.

This is after Sheifele reportedly asked for a trade and Wheeler is also being shopped.

Hellebuyck might not be a name that's farfetched after all to acquire. There's a report that he'll want to be traded if they go through a rebuild.

I'd rather retire than move to Winnipeg, and I don't have several million in the bank.

 

[LeafChief]

how much ufa garbage you're capable of adding in the off season is not criteria for successfully run team.

Their problem is in 2022/2023 they don't have a cheap seth jarvis or as above, a tomasino ready to go. As I always say, anything non-core related, they are not good with. Our most promising youngster at the moment, Liljegren even has old fingerprints on it. This Knies guy better work out.

Who can we blame Amirov getting a brain tumour on? Let's get the pitchforks out tonight.

 

[ULF_55]

how much ufa garbage you're capable of adding in the off season is not criteria for successfully run team.

Their problem is in 2022/2023 they don't have a cheap seth jarvis or as above, a tomasino ready to go. As I always say, anything non-core related, they are not good with. Our most promising youngster at the moment, Liljegren even has old fingerprints on it. This Knies guy better work out.

Do you think they'd get playing time if they existed?

Keefe needs more courage.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Sounds like a lot of Jet players want to jump ship. Dubois also let them know he's going to test free agency when his deal is up in 2024, which means they'll probably trade him at some point before that.

This is after Sheifele reportedly asked for a trade and Wheeler is also being shopped.

Hellebuyck might not be a name that's farfetched after all to acquire. The price will be high though I assume. There's a report that he'll want to be traded if they go through a rebuild.

Wait isn’t PLD a RFA right now? So he’ll only sign for 2 years before he bolts?

 

[SprDaVE]

Wait isn’t PLD a RFA right now? So he’ll only sign for 2 years before he bolts?

Sounds like it. Could be a strategy to get a huge contract though.

 

[TMLAM34]

What do you guys think a package for Hellebuyck would look like?

 

[Zero1]

Sounds like a lot of Jet players want to jump ship. Dubois also let them know he's going to test free agency when his deal is up in 2024, which means they'll probably trade him at some point before that.

This is after Sheifele reportedly asked for a trade and Wheeler is also being shopped.

Hellebuyck might not be a name that's farfetched after all to acquire. The price will be high though I assume. There's a report that he'll want to be traded if they go through a rebuild.

Just saw the news about PLD. It’s happening. I’m going to speak it into existence.

Hellebuyck will be a Toronto Maple Leaf.

 

[Budz]

If I am the Jets

Helly

Mrazcek
Knies
Lilligren
Pick

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Who can we blame Amirov getting a brain tumour on? Let's get the pitchforks out tonight.

First off have some class don't use his condition for sarcasm.

Second of all not all picks work out so one going through a difficult time is no excuse to not have anything in the pipeline coming up to the point you have to use your best assets like Nylander to secure assets you should be able to find in other ways if you are an above average GM

Nobody held gun to dubas head forcing him to use a 1st to get rid of marleau and wasting a 1st on foligno either.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

If I am the Jets

Helly

Mrazcek
Knies
Lilligren
Pick

Sure, the Jets will ask for the moon.

I doubt many teams will pay something like that though. How many teams realistically need and can afford a guy like Hellebuyck? Cross-reference that with teams who are competing right now. You have Toronto, Colorado, Edmonton, and maybe Washington.

Washington and Colorado have very little in terms of prospects/picks they can use (unless Colorado is trading a Byram or Newhook).

EDM has some good prospects and picks they could use, but they are in even worse shape cap-wise than we are. Can they realistically afford a 6+ mill starting goalie? If we are moving Mrazek in the deal, the Leafs can afford a 6 mill starter.

Now we add in that some teams may prefer just to turn to Campbell, Husso, Kuemper, Fleury, etc. for zero assets and less cap (the Leafs included, especially if it means Liljegren and Knies have to go the other way), and that Winnipeg can't really pull the "hold out" card either since Hellebuyck's value only goes down the longer they wait.

 

[Menzinger]

What do you guys think a package for Hellebuyck would look like?

Interesting question. Goalies historically never seem to bring back that much. But he's certainly worth a decent amount

Probably in the range of 2 1sts or equivalent prospects.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

no excuse to not have anything in the pipeline coming up to the point you have to use your best assets like Nylander to secure assets you should be able to find in other ways if you are an above average GM

This is it for me.

Tomasino was taken in the mid 20's overall. Why are we trading Nylander to stock our depth with these guys. We get the assets to find these guys for free just by existing as a NHL organization

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Why are we trading Nylander to stock our depth with these guys.

It's a symptom of continuous bad moves by the GM. They feel force to do it, they don't actually want to, I hope.

 

[LeafChief]

First off have some class don't use his condition for sarcasm.

Second of all not all picks work out so one going through a difficult time is no excuse to not have anything in the pipeline coming up to the point you have to use your best assets like Nylander to secure assets you should be able to find in other ways if you are an above average GM

Nobody held gun to dubas head forcing him to use a 1st to get rid of marleau and wasting a 1st on foligno either.

Suggesting that the Leafs have nothing in the pipeline is quite moronic.

This is it for me.

Tomasino was taken in the mid 20's overall. Why are we trading Nylander to stock our depth with these guys. We get the assets to find these guys for free just by existing as a NHL organization

Players drop in drafts. Once they're selected, their draft position matters squat. Players picked in the 5th round end up being more valuable than players selected top 10. Very strange thought process.

As I've mentioned a few times on the previous pages, I would lean towards keeping Nylander but dismissing the conversation altogether is quite dumb. Now that I've read some of these most recent posts, that all makes a lot of sense to me now.

 

[TheRumble]

From Winnipeg's POV if Hellebyuck was on the table, I'd be asking for

1) A young defensive prospect or a young center prospect, maybe both.

2) A first round pick

3) Another prospect lower on the tier list or 2nd

Second thing, for people who keep on suggesting Nylander be traded can you at least come up with a trade that doesn't amount to: Lets trade a good player for another player that isn't as good?