Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[thusk]

I honestly don't see how Tomasino + that 17th will have a bigger impact than Nylander + finding something in-house to go with Nylander. Nylander was carrying us into the playoffs straight from his rookie season.

We can always get our own Tomasino in the draft and trade up with our own 20's to get into high teens (hopefully way too high at 32 eventually to trade down(*up) though)

Not really

Since 3 years he scored 10 goal and 8 assist

Of his 9 assist, 7 he did absolutly nothing on the play like just sent the puck at the blue line after a faceoff cleanly won, a pass on an empty net goal.

1 assist was a missed pass

Of his 9 goal 4 of them was when trailing by at least 3 goal in 3 rd period ( 3 of 4 in the last 8 minutes).

2 of 5 goal remaining those goal he just add to put a puck in a empty net because his teammate did everything for him...

please show me where he was carrying the team!!!!!

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Not really

Since 3 years he scored 10 goal and 8 assist

Of his 9 assist, 7 he did absolutly nothing on the play like just sent the puck at the blue line after a faceoff cleanly won, a pass on an empty net goal.

1 assist was a missed pass

Of his 9 goal 4 of them was when trailing by at least 3 goal in 3 rd period ( 3 of 4 in the last 8 minutes).

2 of 5 goal remaining those goal he just add to put a puck in a empty net because his teammate did everything for him...

please show me where he was carrying the team!!!!!

I said Nylander was carrying us into the playoffs straight from his rookie season to show why something like Tomasino + 17th doesn't interest me. Nylander is still only 26 too

William Nylander named NHL Rookie of the Month | NHL.com

Toronto forward had four goals, 14 points during March

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William Nylander named NHL Rookie of the Month for October

William Nylander has been named the NHL’s rookie of the month for the month of October. Nylander is the first Leaf skater to receive rookie of the month honours since Steve Sullivan, who won it following an 11-point month (14 games) during the 1996-97 season. Goaltender James Reimer was awarded...

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Remove Nylander from the team and we don't get to enjoy the playoffs in 16/17. That's a fact you can do nothing about.

 

[Menzinger]

If you get ~15 goals/40 points (conservative guess) out of Tomasino in the top 6 you're only looking at replacing 20 goals/40 points. When you consider the difference in defense it may be worth the trade off. You can also find 20 goals/40 points with 6M in cap space quite easily. The Leafs would still be 6th in the NHL in goals if you removed 20 goals from last years total.

Though a problem ultimately here is looking back at the last several playoffs, it's been lack of offensive production when games are tough that has stopped the team from advancing.

Becoming closer to a 1 line offensive team in the top 9 exacerbates this problem more than helping.

 

[TMLAM34]

A name I wouldn’t mind the Leafs going after would be Gudbranson on the backend. Wouldn’t break the bank, very physical, big frame, good on the PK and would be an improvement on Lyubushkin.

Rielly - Gudbranson
Giordano - Liljegren
Sandin - Brodie

And you have the option to move Gudbranson down with Sandin and Brodie back up with Rielly.

 

[Menzinger]

Also worth noting Nylander finished each of the last 3 playoff series with a +1 in each series. Obviously it's a really flawed stat, but it's not as if his on ice play was ultimately a defensive liability during them.

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
Tyler Bertuzzi

To Detroit-
Rasmus Sandin
SDA
1st Round Pick

To Toronto-
2nd Overall Pick
Pavel Zacha
Mackenzie Blackwood

To New Jersey-
William Nylander
Justin Holl
Petr Mrazek

To Toronto-
Lawson Crouse

To Arizona-
Alex Kerfoot

Sign Nick Paul 3yrs/3 Million aav
Sign Valerie Nichushkin 5 yrs/5 million aav
Sign Eric Gudbransson 3yrs/2 million aav
Sign MAF 2yrs/3.5 million aav
Sign P.K Subban 2yrs/1 million aav

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Bertuzzi-Tavares-Nichushkin
Crouse-Zacha-Paul
Engvall-Kampf-Steeves

Rielly-Gudbransson
Muzzin-Brodie
Giordano-Liljegren
Subban

MAF
Mackenzie Blackwood

Draft either Cooley or Nemec with the 2nd overall pick

 

[Antropovsky]

Two low key quality additions that Colorado has been working with are Burakovsky and Nichushkin… big bodied power forward types that still needed some development.

An example that the Leafs missed out on is Buchnevich .. they need to find these types of players imo

Maybe keeping Mikheyev is the right call?

Colorado's pro scouting has been excellent.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Two low key quality additions that Colorado has been working with are Burakovsky and Nichushkin… big bodied power forward types that still needed some development.

An example that the Leafs missed out on is Buchnevich .. they need to find these types of players imo

Maybe keeping Mikheyev is the right call?

One of our problems is thinking Mik has the upside of a burakovsky and nichushkin. If we hold onto guys lets start holding onto the right guys.

 

[Bigmarycombo]

Also worth noting Nylander finished each of the last 3 playoff series with a +1 in each series. Obviously it's a really flawed stat, but it's not as if his on ice play was ultimately a defensive liability during them.

There is a reason nylander will never be on the ice in the last couple of minutes while defending a lead
There is a reason nylander will never kill penalties
Nylander is a poor defensive player

 

[showtime8]

One of our problems is thinking Mik has the upside of a burakovsky and nichushkin. If we hold onto guys lets start holding onto the right guys.

Nichushkin is a huge buyer beware story. Yes, he's had a remarkable year and playoffs, but this is the first year that he's done anything significant. And Mikheyev plays a different style of game.

 

[ULF_55]

Kerfoot, Holl and Robertson
for
J.T. Miller and a conditional 4th. round pick in 2023.

 

[Americanadian]

Though a problem ultimately here is looking back at the last several playoffs, it's been lack of offensive production when games are tough that has stopped the team from advancing.

Becoming closer to a 1 line offensive team in the top 9 exacerbates this problem more than helping.

The issue that I see in the playoffs is they get shut down in the slot. They need players that will get to the home plate area when the opposing team is trying to push them to the outside.

 

[kb]

The issue that I see in the playoffs is they get shut down in the slot. They need players that will get to the home plate area when the opposing team is trying to push them to the outside.

Doesn't matter if they can't score. There seems to be this long discredited myth about Nylander going around still. 10 goals in his last 19 playoff games. Replacing that with players who can't score seems......well....just not smart.

 

[ULF_55]

Nylander, Kerfoot, Holl, Roberson and a conditional 1st. (J.T.Miller re-signs)
for
J.T.Miller and Boeser

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

A name I wouldn’t mind the Leafs going after would be Gudbranson on the backend. Wouldn’t break the bank, very physical, big frame, good on the PK and would be an improvement on Lyubushkin.

Rielly - Gudbranson
Giordano - Liljegren
Sandin - Brodie

And you have the option to move Gudbranson down with Sandin and Brodie back up with Rielly.

he is not a top pair guy

Nylander, Kerfoot, Holl, Roberson and a conditional 1st. (J.T.Miller re-signs)
for
J.T.Miller and Boeser

Vancouver isn't doing that, and even if they would pretty sure that trade is illegal now, I don't think you can make picks conditional on players re signing anymore

 

[Menzinger]

There is a reason nylander will never be on the ice in the last couple of minutes while defending a lead
There is a reason nylander will never kill penalties
Nylander is a poor defensive player

I don't disagree. But being subpar defensively is different from being a guy who outright costs the team game's/a playoff series (something Nylander also hasn't done).

Nylander, Kerfoot, Holl, Roberson and a conditional 1st. (J.T.Miller re-signs)
for
J.T.Miller and Boeser

If Millers extension is in the 9-11 mil range, probably going to need to clear out more capspace than that

 

[Menzinger]

The issue that I see in the playoffs is they get shut down in the slot. They need players that will get to the home plate area when the opposing team is trying to push them to the outside.

They could use a guy in the top 9 to get more dirty goals for them. But I don't think that should come at the cost of Nylander - one of the teams more consistent post season goal scorers.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Bunting Matthews Marner

Kubalik Tavares Nylander

Vatrano Kampf Kase

Engvall ? ?

Rielly Brodie

Muzzin Sandin

Gio Lilly
Subban

Kuemper
Holtby

that's the roster I'd like to see if might be tough because Kuemper will cost some money and it depends on if Kase can even play

but that's a pretty strong roster and it's not a terribly unrealistic one

 

[ULF_55]

Vancouver isn't doing that, and even if they would pretty sure that trade is illegal now, I don't think you can make picks conditional on players re signing anymore

I hadn't seen that but you are correct.

Boeser OTOH isn't under contract so that can be conditional.

From what we've seen Vancouver players are available.

J.T. Miller is just a 1 year rental.
Boeser is RFA.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Nichushkin is a huge buyer beware story. Yes, he's had a remarkable year and playoffs, but this is the first year that he's done anything significant. And Mikheyev plays a different style of game.

My point is Nichushkin upside was always higher than a guy like mik if he can put the piece together, so his breakout in 3rd post season for Avs isn't that big of a surprise. Instead of surprise it's more of happy ending. Mik finally fully healthy for his 3rd attempt with Leafs and let the core down again unless you are impressed by 2 minutes of tampa abandoning defence to tie game with goalie pulled.

Anyway, if we want a nichushkin playoff out of mik, it will cost more than 2.5 million a year now. So it's a loss to compare holding onto mik to holding onto nichushkin (why doesn't management get us these pre-pay raise performances after so many years? Always bet on loser depth instead).

 

[Americanadian]

They could use a guy in the top 9 to get more dirty goals for them. But I don't think that should come at the cost of Nylander - one of the teams more consistent post season goal scorers.

I think they could use a complete overhaul of their 2nd line so they can actually win matchups. In the playoffs Nylander and Tavares were 50% in GF% but both less than 50% in xGF%. Even this past playoffs he scored 3 goals but 2 of them were in the 3rd period of a 5-0 game when Tampa took their foot off the gas. Last playoffs he was excellent though.

 

[ULF_55]

I think they could use a complete overhaul of their 2nd line so they can actually win matchups. In the playoffs Nylander and Tavares were 50% in GF% but both less than 50% in xGF%. Even this past playoffs he scored 3 goals but 2 of them were in the 3rd period of a 5-0 game when Tampa took their foot off the gas. Last playoffs he was excellent though.

How did marner do, outside his goal in the blow-out loss 2nd. game?

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

I think they could use a complete overhaul of their 2nd line so they can actually win matchups. In the playoffs Nylander and Tavares were 50% in GF% but both less than 50% in xGF%. Even this past playoffs he scored 3 goals but 2 of them were in the 3rd period of a 5-0 game when Tampa took their foot off the gas. Last playoffs he was excellent though.

Those 2 goals gave Leafs life. Attempted the comeback pulling the goalie.

Teams slump during all points of the game. Even when we win, we don't play our best for all 60 minutes of every game. So only points that occur when teams are playing their best count?

Leafs took foot off gas in period 1 of game 4. Call all those goals back we let in. Game needs to be replayed so only goals worth counting went in.

 

[ULF_55]

I think they could use a complete overhaul of their 2nd line so they can actually win matchups. In the playoffs Nylander and Tavares were 50% in GF% but both less than 50% in xGF%. Even this past playoffs he scored 3 goals but 2 of them were in the 3rd period of a 5-0 game when Tampa took their foot off the gas. Last playoffs he was excellent though.

I agree.

Robertson-Matthews-marner
Bunting-Tavares-Nylander

 

[Americanadian]

How did marner do, outside his goal in the blow-out loss 2nd. game?

He wasn’t a huge factor outside the 1st game. I’m not a Marner defender. I have been vouching to trade him since the 2019 off season. I proposed the Leafs should trade Marleau/Marner for Makar/4th OA in 2019 after Marner put up 94 points and needed a new contract and was told by this board that it was ridiculously bad value for the Leafs. Makar had 10 NHL games under his belt at that point and Colorado needed top 6 players.

I did think that Marner/Matthews put forth the best 2 performances this season that I’ve ever seen by a Leaf. That is the sole reason I’m not vouching to get rid of him this off season.