Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 Part XII - C'mon Trades!

[ACC1224]

Which means today is the day.

Game day moves are pretty rare

 

[Buds17]

Safe to say there won’t be any moves today

Not unless they're adding to the team without subtracting anything from it.

 

[ACC1224]

Not unless they're adding to the team without subtracting anything from it.

Fair point

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

If we are looking at a goalie, Anton Forsberg has a .918sv% this year and only makes 900k. If we were to trade Mrazek the other way and attach a prospect like Hirvonen, it would save us almost 3M to go after maybe a D man and another forward

 

[SprDaVE]

I wonder if DeMelo could be someone they sell? I know the Leafs have had interest in the past, and he's signed for a couple more years.

I think the Leafs would offer a good chunk of picks/prospects if they could swing for DeMelo and maybe Copp as well. Seems too ambitious cap space wise though.

 

[Magic Man]

Is anybody else reluctant to want Dubas to invest in rentals based on what our goaltending looks like right now? I am thinking they should run with what we have and if they mess up, it’s time to break up the big 4 and retool.

At most I would get cheap depth guys who will only go in if there is an injury. Maybe give a Knies or Steeves a look down the stretch here.

We have some decent depth on D once Muzzin comes back. 2 of Holl, Sandin, Liljegren and Dermott will be sitting each night.

Again Goaltending is the biggest concern.

I agree that goaltending is the biggest concern. But, this team really only needs a goalie that can stop pucks and they are a real threat. If they hadn't been pissing points away the past few months, they would be 1st or 2nd in the league. They are 5th in the league without that stopper.

Dubas shouldn't stand pat. His biggest priority should be goaltending. But, he is going to add at each position. I don't buy that they are not going after a goalie at all, the media have tried to pull me in several directions the past few weeks. I think it only makes rational sense to fix your biggest weakness when attempting to win a stanley cup.

Muzzin isn't coming back until the playoffs, so that cap is going to be blasted in a bunch of different directions. Dermott is likely gone too. Mrazek if not traded, will be waived and that gives the Leafs more cap space. Everyone is coming in at 50% retained, so they have the cap to work this out.

Obviously, if they are so bright as to skip adding a goalie, I wouldn't do anything else either, you just folded on the season. So, go play out the rest of it. You just lost.

 

[ACC1224]

What’s the odds they bring in a goalie? Seems risky to run with this new guy.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I wonder if DeMelo could be someone they sell? I know the Leafs have had interest in the past, and he's signed for a couple more years.

I think the Leafs would offer a good chunk of picks/prospects if they could swing for DeMelo and maybe Copp as well. Seems too ambitious cap space wise though.

Dillon please

 

[budzz]

It'll be very interesting to see how Kallgren plays tonight. Before the last few games you KNOW there have been internal questions about goaltending. Then this kid comes out of nowhere and has seemed to settle the crease a little. Probably single-handedly changed the course of the Leafs deadline. If he plays even a decent game and stops the shots he is supposed to stop, I think that settles it that there will be no incoming goalies this deadline. I for one still have some faith in Jack but this Kally kid has thrown a wrinkle into everything.

 

[fahad203]

Londholm or nothing

Lets go Kyle

Also if Lilly is benched. Probably because hes part of a deal

 

[Magic Man]

What’s the odds they bring in a goalie? Seems risky to run with this new guy.

The insiders recently have said they're more interested in a defenseman and a forward, so they may skip on goaltending.

But, I'd still personally put it at 100%.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Is anybody else reluctant to want Dubas to invest in rentals based on what our goaltending looks like right now? I am thinking they should run with what we have and if they mess up, it’s time to break up the big 4 and retool.

At most I would get cheap depth guys who will only go in if there is an injury. Maybe give a Knies or Steeves a look down the stretch here.

We have some decent depth on D once Muzzin comes back. 2 of Holl, Sandin, Liljegren and Dermott will be sitting each night.

Again Goaltending is the biggest concern.

....so if goaltending is the reason we lose out why exactly would the logical conclusion from that be breaking up the big 4 and not...getting better goaltending.

 

[Buds17]

The insiders recently have said they're more interested in a defenseman and a forward, so they may skip on goaltending.

But, I'd still personally put it at 100%.

Upgrading the goaltending seems like somewhat of a tough task though because it essentially involves a team having to take on Mrazek (and potentially also having him approve the trade).

 

[Magic Man]

It'll be very interesting to see how Kallgren plays tonight. Before the last few games you KNOW there have been internal questions about goaltending. Then this kid comes out of nowhere and has seemed to settle the crease a little. Probably single-handedly changed the course of the Leafs deadline. If he plays even a decent game and stops the shots he is supposed to stop, I think that settles it that there will be no incoming goalies this deadline. I for one still have some faith in Jack but this Kally kid has thrown a wrinkle into everything.

He's played 2.5 games. This is a cup contending team.

Is Jack going to come back healthy and at full form or is he going to come back like Andersen did last year?

There is cap space, there are external options. Why would we willingly do that to ourselves?

 

[aingefan]

Showcasing Derms one last time.

Has there been any chatter about Meyers?

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

If we are looking at a goalie, Anton Forsberg has a .918sv% this year and only makes 900k. If we were to trade Mrazek the other way and attach a prospect like Hirvonen, it would save us almost 3M to go after maybe a D man and another forward

I don't see Ottawa taking in Mrazek unless you offset it with a Kerfoot like deal. I believe Mrazek makea more actual money than his cap hit each of the next two years. Buffalo may be more likely though.

I was thinking Mrazek/Dermott for Pysyk.

They get a younger, better D signed for next year that's better on the right side than the left, and a goalie under contract (not a good one, but still).

We get Pysyk for this year to take Dermott's spot and he can actually play a decent 4RW if we need him too.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Londholm or nothing

Lets go Kyle

Also if Lilly is benched. Probably because hes part of a deal

I am not giving up Liljegren for 3 months of Lindholm...

 

[Smif]

Way more interested in players with term or at least a player we can re-sign beyond just this year.. We have so few picks that we can't afford a two-month filler.

 

[Magic Man]

Upgrading the goaltending seems like somewhat of a tough task though because it essentially involves a team having to take on Mrazek (and potentially also having him approve the trade).

If Muzzin is out for the season. They can delay that trade until the summer, when they are not so crunched for time. Waive him. It saves 1.125M on the cap. Someone like Forsberg, not saying him in general. But, he has a 900K cap hit. Even if Muzzin were not getting rested, waiving Mrazek gives you enough to bring him in without retention.

A Fleury/Varlamov trade may be hard in season. I'd be willing to give them a pass if they couldn't get a deal done there. But, to not get anyone at all would be a bad move.

 

[budzz]

Friedman has said multiple times his fit for the Leafs is Chara. For one, not sure if he'd come here as he always had a hatred for the Leafs (I have no inside info on this just a feeling). But would he be so bad as a bottom pair pk clear-the-crease type? Probably wouldn't cost alot.

 

[Buds17]

If Muzzin is out for the season. They can delay that trade until the summer, when they are not so crunched for time. Waive him. It saves 1.125M on the cap. Someone like Forsberg, not saying him in general. But, he has a 900K cap hit. Even if Muzzin were not getting rested, waiving Mrazek gives you enough to bring him in without retention.

A Fleury/Varlamov trade may be hard in season. I'd be willing to give them a pass if they couldn't get a deal done there. But, to not get anyone at all would be a bad move.

Much would definitely depend upon any replacement they could bring in. For all of his struggles this season, I will say that Mrazek does at least bring a decent amount of playoff experience to the table.

 

[budzz]

He's played 2.5 games. This is a cup contending team.

Is Jack going to come back healthy and at full form or is he going to come back like Andersen did last year?

There is cap space, there are external options. Why would we willingly do that to ourselves?

I agree with you that basing anything off of a few starts is crazy. But we still also have a pretty darned good goalie in Campbell who had some struggles but may have been injured. Do we give up assets and bring in a 4th goalie when we have Jack, Mraz and Kally? Do they bring in another number 1 and basically tell the other 3 "we have zero faith in any of you so we're replacing you"? I'm not sure. Be interesting to see their thinking on that.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Friedman has said multiple times his fit for the Leafs is Chara. For one, not sure if he'd come here as he always had a hatred for the Leafs (I have no inside info on this just a feeling). But would he be so bad as a bottom pair pk clear-the-crease type? Probably wouldn't cost alot.

It would test the league more then anything. Call penalties on the Leafs or continue letting Chara get away with being a lumberjack on skates.

 

[budzz]

It would test the league more then anything. Call penalties on the Leafs or continue letting Chara get away with being a lumberjack on skates.

LOL. Also not sure if he'd see any PP time here, but having that bomb from the point would add a wrinkle we haven't really had for a while.

 

[crump]

....so if goaltending is the reason we lose out why exactly would the logical conclusion from that be breaking up the big 4 and not...getting better goaltending.

If we lose out in the past with good goaltending what difference does it make. This team can't fight through tough defensive teams with good goaltending. Its always been our weakness, our goaltending had been good enough to win, it's been the ability to score on the Habs and Price, Columbus, Washington, Boston...he list is long..big defensive teams beat us.