Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 Part XI - Deadline Looming

[francis246]

21 goals on 22.3% shooting. He's going to trend back down to a more sustainable level, and be worth nowhere near that. Insane.

Didn’t they say the same about Bunting last year and he’s proven to be a goal scorer?

 

[Advanced stats]

I think Kyle is smart enough to wait until prices drop on Monday. As far as I can see the market is still flooded with players to be traded, with only a finite number of buyers.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

they all do, yes.

Thanks, I honestly did not know and couldn’t tell just from looking at that graphic. That sort of context is for sure important.

 

[Menzinger]

The Bolts are a fairly analytics heavy front office too - and the public research on the draft has suggested the gap between a 1st outside of the top 15 isn't that far off from a 3/4th round pick in terms of odds of getting an NHLer.


Interesting.

 

[francis246]

They receive excellent value for sure. He may be young and improving but he’s carrying an unsustainable shooting percentage, and is more of a complimentary guy. Hawks did well in selling high on his value.

Late or not, two first rounders are still quite good.

Of course but I don’t see it as a loss for Tampa either. Only strengthens their team, Tampa is in the business of winning now. Their odds improve greatly.

 

[Sypher04]

Must be nice that all these teams so far have their best players under a very manageable cap

Few years ago I really thought we would be the team that everyone would fear in this division. That we would be the one dictating what moves everyone will make. More and more it seems we are falling behind the group in so many ways

I think other teams definitely worry about what we are doing, they just tend to strike first. A lot of that is due to their more fortunate timing with relation to their stars needing new contracts vs the Covid flat cap. Could not have worked out worse for us tbh

 

[FlyingLeafus]

Maybe best to just stand pat this deadline, how often do rentals work out? I would move a 2nd + B prospect for Gio and if that is out bid then so be it.

 

[francis246]

yess please

Doubt it, he’s unvaccinated.

 

[Kurtz]

Didn’t they say the same about Bunting last year and he’s proven to be a goal scorer?

Bunting was on a 39 goal pace last year and is on a 27 goal pace this year as his shooting% has normalized a little.

 

[Fogelhund]

Didn’t they say the same about Bunting last year and he’s proven to be a goal scorer?

Would you have traded two 1sts and two prospects for Bunting of LAST year?

The odds of such things working out are pretty slim.

 

[Nylander88]

Been hearing a lot about the Leafs and Gio. If we can swing it at a relatively low cost, with them retaining salary...I'd be for it. Need a big body forward too imo that plays the game hard. Andrew Copp or Max Comtois would be nice.
To Seattle: Holl & Duszak for Giordano at 50% retained. Gives Seattle a D with cost control going into next year that can play in their top 6, as well as a young offensive Dman with upside. All for a guy who at 38 is going to walk away at the end of the season on them for free.

To Anaheim: Comtois for Dermott straight up. Two young guys who fit a need on each team that could both benefit from a change of scenery.

Playoffs:
Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Comtois-Tavares-Nylander
Engvall-Kampf-Mikheyev
Clifford-Kerfoot-Kase
Rielly-Lyubushkin
Giordano-Brodie
Muzzin-Sandin

Bottom 6 without Spezza & Simmonds hurts to say. Playoffs are long and they'd get their chance. But Clifford is tough, likely the fastest straight line skater of those 3, and the most defensively responsible. That whole bottoms 6 is defensively capable against most any matchup. That third line has been great so it's hard to split it up. And Kerfoot-Kase could buzz around while having big boy Clifford next to them. Comtois gets a chance to show his powerforward side with two highly skilled guys. I don't see us making huge splashes, but this is welcome

 

[fahad203]

I think Kyle is smart enough to wait until prices drop on Monday. As far as I can see the market is still flooded with players to be traded, with only a finite number of buyers.

His job just a bit tougher. Did Tampa over pay? sure
But are they a better team because of it, yes

A team that was a pretty good team to begin with that has better goaltending than ours and has better defense than ours

I really hope we dont make a trade for sake of making a trade.

I have zero interest in Gio. Sure he's a vet but so is Spezza. We dont' need another slow aging vet

If Kase can stay healthy, he's a big add
If Steeves can provide some sand paper and handle his own, then we don't need Motte

Just run 3 lines. That used to be a thing

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

That was a king's ransom for Hagel. Holy crap

 

[Sypher04]

The Bolts are a fairly analytics heavy front office too - and the public research on the draft has suggested the gap between a 1st outside of the top 15 isn't that far off from a 3/4th round pick in terms of odds of getting an NHLer.


Interesting.

That sounds unlikely. We hear about these drop offs quite frequently and yet a lot more quality players are coming out of the late 1st than the 4th quite dramatically.

Sounds like an effective spin job to mask that this is a bad trade. If Tampa wins they don’t care, but it is what it is

 

[francis246]

Would you have traded two 1sts and two prospects for Bunting of LAST year?

The odds of such things working out are pretty slim.

If I assessed that Bunting would helps us win a championship then yes. I already know I’m in the minority, but I’m okay with moving future assets for young players, on great deals with upside.

Hagel is going to be playing in a high power offense, his points totals probably will come back to normal a little bit, but he’s going to be put in a situation to score even more simply because he’s playing with more elite players now.

 

[zeke]

Good on Dubey for driving up the ante on these players than letting FLA and TB "win" the overpay.

#geniusglasses

 

[BrannigansLaw]

All I can say is I’m glad we didn’t do that trade. That is an insane package.

It’s TB though. Chances are the risk will be worth it for that spoiled franchise.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I think the "guys that won't be ready for 4 or 5 years" should apply to Tampa as well. They've not really given up much when you apply the logic that you often see with our trades.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

The Bolts are a fairly analytics heavy front office too - and the public research on the draft has suggested the gap between a 1st outside of the top 15 isn't that far off from a 3/4th round pick in terms of odds of getting an NHLer.


Interesting.

Depends on the draft.

In general, it is still large gap.

You would be lucky to get a decent 3rd liner or #5 with those 4th round picks. With those 1sts, on a team that knows how to draft, you are looking at a top 6 or a guy with solid #3 potential with a lot greater certainty.

If they were talking about late 2nd's... Maybe. There are not too many drafts where you will likely find too many guys who are significantly better than what you can find in the 4th round (although we are a team that picked up Niemela, Hirvonen, Knies, and Robertson with those types of picks in the last 3 drafts)... But picks in the 30's? Nobody in the 4th round compares to a prospect like Sandin or anyone else you get in that range.

 

[The Podium]

Wait out the market. It should still be a buyers market and all the big buyers just burned their assets.

Hard to trade players for a 1st + when few contenders still have a 1st +

 

[ToneDog]

I think Kyle is smart enough to wait until prices drop on Monday. As far as I can see the market is still flooded with players to be traded, with only a finite number of buyers.

If the market is flooded with players and there is a small number of buyers, it should be a buyer's market. Would have expected budget teams dumping platers to save money as a result of COVID which would further make it a buyer's market. So far Tampa and Florida overpaying in order to out do each other.

Dubas should sit on the sidelines and pounce once buyers dry up.

 

[francis246]

His job just a bit tougher. Did Tampa over pay? sure
But are they a better team because of it, yes

A team that was a pretty good team to begin with that has better goaltending than ours and has better defense than ours

I really hope we dont make a trade for sake of making a trade.

I have zero interest in Gio. Sure he's a vet but so is Spezza. We dont' need another slow aging vet

If Kase can stay healthy, he's a big add
If Steeves can provide some sand paper and handle his own, then we don't need Motte

Just run 3 lines. That used to be a thing

I’m in the same boat, don’t make a deal for the sake of making one. But if there is a hockey deal out there, I’d like to see the leafs be players. A deal around Kerfoot, Dermott + other assets for Lindholm would be amazing, I’m not sure what Lindholm would want in terms of an extension but if you can get him signed even better.

I do think a trade will happen for the leafs, maybe it’s Chychrun after all.

 

[fahad203]

Maybe best to just stand pat this deadline, how often do rentals work out? I would move a 2nd + B prospect for Gio and if that is out bid then so be it.

In our case, not that much not that well

Boyle (was meh), did nothing. 2nd round pick
Plekenac (was garbage). Did nothing. Although did have 4 pointsi n playoffs out of 7 games but mostly ineffective . 2nd Round and Rinat Valiev
Foligno. Let's pretent this never really happend. 1st rounder
Malgin for Marchment was around this time
Nic Petan was also around this time

 

[Stephen]

Brandon Hagel cost way too much there.

 

[ToneDog]

I’m in the same boat, don’t make a deal for the sake of making one. But if there is a hockey deal out there, I’d like to see the leafs be players. A deal around Kerfoot, Dermott + other assets for Lindholm would be amazing, I’m not sure what Lindholm would want in terms of an extension but if you can get him signed even better.

I do think a trade will happen for the leafs, maybe it’s Chychrun after all.

Would be awesome to get Chych but I think we land Gio before we land Chych.