GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART X

[Ziggdiezan]

The Leafs are spending 5.45 mill on goaltending this year. Colorado is spending 5.5 mill.

Colorado has .928 goaltending at 5-on-5 this year. 2nd in the league. The Leafs have .908. 4th worst in the league.

Vancouver is at the top of the league and they are spending 6.5 mill.

Calgary is spending 6.75 mill on goaltending. Top 5 in the league. St. Louis is spending the same: 6th. The Rangers are spending 8 mill but their 2.5 mill backup has been subpar for years and probably could be upgraded with someone making half the amount. Top 5.

Bruins are spending 5.9 mill. Middle of the pack. Only slightly worse than Florida, who is spending almost double that. Tampa is near the top in the league in spending on goaltending and they are only at the high end of the middle tier in terms of goaltending.

So the difference between "cheap goaltending" which is bottom 5 in the league despite playing behind a defense which is playing much better than that is maybe a mill and a half if you really want to splurge? Only 4 goalies in the league make over 6.4 mill (and 2 of them - Fleury and Bobrovsky - are not worth more than 6.4 mill based on their play). Most teams don't spend more than 7 mill on goalies otherwise, and in fact, many of the teams who do are near the bottom with us (Chicago, Columbus, Seattle).

Spending big on goaltending is stupid unless you are paying for a consistent Vezina winner like Vasilevsky.

Last time I checked leafs were like bottom 5 for cap spent for goalies. That includes goalies on cheaper ELCs

Colorado fans have been complaining of goalie performances all year it seems, they also have ARI retaining money on Kuemper so not the greatest example.

The others are better example though majoirty are spending more on their main goalie and closer to 1 million on their backup. Seems like the new strategy is spend bigger on a starter and less on backup.

I'm not saying to spend big on goalies. I'm saying if you cheap out I wouldn't expect that position to be a strength unless you get lucky and lockup a guy like Markstrom, Demko before they explode.

 

[SprDaVE]

Well isn't this interesting. It's rushing but Knies has the style to play in the NHL today. Abruzzese with his hockey IQ

They are pro ready... NHL ready might be pushing it though.

I see both signing ELCs whenever their seasons are over.

 

[Nylanderthal]

People like this cannot be reasoned with.

Yes you’re right mrazek snd soup are
world beaters being let down by awful D. You’re right. That slow roller by Chychrun or the second hinistroza goal are all time world class and he was simply left out to dry.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Last time I checked leafs were like bottom 5 for cap spent for goalies. That includes goalies on cheaper ELCs

Colorado fans have been complaining of goalie performances all year it seems, they also have ARI retaining money on Kuemper so not the greatest example.

The others are better example though majoirty are spending more on their main goalie and closer to 1 million on their backup. Seems like the new strategy is spend bigger on a starter and less on backup.

I'm not saying to spend big on goalies. I'm saying if you cheap out I wouldn't expect that position to be a strength unless you get lucky and lockup a guy like Markstrom, Demko before they explode.

Aside from Florida and Tampa they’re within a mill or so of every other playoff team in terms of goalie spending. Keep pushing false narratives though

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Clearly you are on to something. If only we were like that highest spending team in goaltending, the Montreal Canadiens, the team last in the league in goals against then we'd find success right? Or Kraken at #4, or Islanders at #5, Hawks at #7, Ducks at #8... . Or maybe you are ranting about something with zero correlation??

Then again, you look at league leaders, such as Carolina, who barely spends more on goalies than us, or Colorado, who doesn't spend more than us...

Well that was needlessly snarky as f*** and rude...... all I was saying is if you spend bottom 5 in goalies in the league without any ELC guys performing i wouldn't expect goaltending to be a strength.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Aside from Florida and Tampa they’re within a mill or so of every other playoff team in terms of goalie spending. Keep pushing false narratives though

What narrative do you think I'm pushing.

 

[stickty111]

They are pro ready... NHL ready might be pushing it though.

I see both making signing ELCs.

Probably agree there. Holmberg you can make a reasonable case of being NHL ready.

 

[Maplebeasts]

How do we feel about Manson's price tag? High/low/fair?
Would the Leaf equivalent be Robertson + 2nd?

Jesus Christ no. Colorado practically downgraded. Manson is about as bad as it gets.

 

[ULF_55]

A 7-0 game 23 loss will have more replies than us winning a playoff series.

This is strictly theoretical?

Wonder if Coyotes would do Mrazek for Wedgewood? Help them hit the floor.

 

[Nylanderthal]

A 7-0 game 23 loss will have more replies than us winning a playoff series.

I’m convinced there’s a group here who would be okay seeing the team lose every game as long as they goon it up and partake in the post whistle fake toughness garbage

 

[Scion]

Yes you’re right mrazek snd soup are
world beaters being let down by awful D. You’re right. That slow roller by Chychrun or the second hinistroza goal are all time world class and he was simply left out to dry.

I did not say that, nor did I dispute that the goaltending is terrible. The difference is that you have no interest in unpacking the whole issue, you are just dead set on blaming everything on goaltending, and that is not conducive to a productive conversation.

 

[weems]

Aside from Florida and Tampa they’re within a mill or so of every other playoff team in terms of goalie spending. Keep pushing false narratives though

How much do NYR's goalies make combined?

 

[Scion]

I’m convinced there’s a group here who would be okay seeing the team lose every game as long as they goon it up and partake in the post whistle fake toughness garbage

I believe that you believe that. It's kind of on-brand for you from what I have gathered reading your posts.

 

[dubplatepressure]

I’m convinced there’s a group here who would be okay seeing the team lose every game as long as they goon it up and partake in the post whistle fake toughness garbage

Are you familiar with the term hyperbole?

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

When you have left the drain plug on your boat open and launch it, do you find more/stronger/fitter people to bail the boat each time you go out, or do you try replacing the drain plug first?

Fix the goalies first and you mostly fix the D.

Goalie and D work synergy. With plays on ice affecting G the most.

And cap limit. Can't fix all.

Easier path is fix D. Hockey is played on ice not on stat sheet. Fixing D affect how actual game play out. Defence mean to prevent. So if you help the D problem, there is also increase in goaltending even though you didn't change goalies because on ice outcomes now all change too. This no measured in stats

Reverse is not correct. If you fix the goalie, you don't fix any D. Mental theory that D suck being mental stress from goalie is very cheap theory. Now you still have to go spend asset on D because the play on ice in front goalie is still same.

Boat example not too nice. Boat example only work in no cap world where you have freedom to do all. This more complex you need to take path that maximize what you fix.

 

[Nylanderthal]

What narrative do you think I'm pushing.

That they cheaped out in net.

How much do NYR's goalies make combined?

$8m but their 2.5m back up could be replaced with a league minimum guy and it wouldn’t change their outlook

 

[stickty111]

I’m convinced there’s a group here who would be okay seeing the team lose every game as long as they goon it up and partake in the post whistle fake toughness garbage

Thats true

Are you familiar with the term hyperbole?

He's not wrong. There are some who still believe those Carlyle teams were good. Big tough 4th line

 

[Nylanderthal]

I did not say that, nor did I dispute that the goaltending is terrible. The difference is that you have no interest in unpacking the whole issue, you are just dead set on blaming everything on goaltending, and that is not conducive to a productive conversation.

There’s nothing to unpack unless they can get reasonable goaltending.
When they got decent metminding they were solid in their own zone. That’s with muzzin & holl not being very good and without boosh. A healthy muzz, a fixed holl and added boosh makes me less concerned about the back end and with a week until the deadline there’s only so much that can be “fixed”
No one other additions will make a lick of difference if the goaltending isn’t straightened out

 

[stickty111]

What is Varlamov Worth on Trade Block? Maple Leafs Interested

Desperate times call for desperate measures with the 2022 NHL Trade Deadline fast approaching. Playoff hopefuls are scrambling to bolster their club, while non-playoff teams try to swindle more for their players on the market. There is a team that desperately needs to improve their goaltending...

nyihockeynow.com

Leafs and Islanders have been scouting each other's games.
Varlamov is my guy. Should be cheaper than Fleury

 

[Ziggdiezan]

That they cheaped out in net.

$8m but their 2.5m back up could be replaced with a league minimum guy and it wouldn’t change their outlook

They spent like bottom 5 in goalie cap hits. Not a narrative that they did spend less than their peers, its a fact. If that correlates to strong goalie performance is 100% debatable but the fact they spent less on goalies than their peers is not

 

[stickty111]

Fantastic news here

 

[Nylanderthal]

Varly + mayfield for mrazek + dermott + non roster futures (debate what that would be)
Everyone’s happy

What is Varlamov Worth on Trade Block? Maple Leafs Interested

Desperate times call for desperate measures with the 2022 NHL Trade Deadline fast approaching. Playoff hopefuls are scrambling to bolster their club, while non-playoff teams try to swindle more for their players on the market. There is a team that desperately needs to improve their goaltending...

nyihockeynow.com

Leafs and Islanders have been scouting each other's games.
Varlamov is my guy. Should be cheaper than Fleury

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Last time I checked leafs were like bottom 5 for cap spent for goalies. That includes goalies on cheaper ELCs

Colorado fans have been complaining of goalie performances all year it seems, they also have ARI retaining money on Kuemper so not the greatest example.

The others are better example though majoirty are spending more on their main goalie and closer to 1 million on their backup. Seems like the new strategy is spend bigger on a starter and less on backup.

I'm not saying to spend big on goalies. I'm saying if you cheap out I wouldn't expect that position to be a strength unless you get lucky and lockup a guy like Markstrom, Demko before they explode.

Colorado is complaining about goaltending yet they have some of the highest save percentages in the league? Seems odd.

We are right in the middle of the league, and if we spend another mill, we are in the top 10. Would an extra mill fix our goaltending? If so, not that hard to open up that room right now and get it fixed (i.e. with Varlamov, who makes just over a mill more than Mrazek on the cap).

So we are not "cheaping out". Our goalies just aren't earning their money right now. If they earned their money, we would be doing more than fine.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

Fantastic news here

suck it habs fans

 

[Nylanderthal]

Fantastic news here

This is a relief, hab fans on the mains suggesting Chiarot would be 1st + (not a 4-7th either)